Draft Expert Davo-27's 2024 Draft Thread

[Davo-27]

Serious question.

Hawks look like having decent depth sure.

Who on that list (especially mids) do you think are top shelf quality that can match it against top 4 sides and those teams playing in grand finals?

Who are the match winners against the top opposition?

Newcombe, Worpel, Day and Nash have shown they can match it and beat the best midfields, you should watch more hokball mate.

(we also have McKenzie and Ward developing nicely and Hustwaite who might surprise when he gets more games, he has elite composure)

 

[Obeanie1]

Newcombe, Worpel, Day and Nash have shown they can match it and beat the best midfields, you should watch more hokball mate.

(we also have McKenzie and Ward developing nicely and Hustwaite who might surprise when he gets more games, he has elite composure)

Lol. Sorry.

Did not see who you supported.

I was looking / hoping for a non bias opinion.

Silly of me to ask.

IMO Hawks still lack a truely top shelf mid. They will go OK with what they have but up against the best midfields, top 3 midfields, they don't have the quality to match the current best.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Lol. Sorry.

Did not see who you supported.

I was looking / hoping for a non bias opinion.

Silly of me to ask.

IMO Hawks still lack a truely top shelf mid. They will go OK with what they have but up against the best midfields, top 3 midfields, they don't have the quality to match the current best.

Don’t you know - it’s pre-ordained. Linear path to the flag.

 

[Davo-27]

Lol. Sorry.

Did not see who you supported.

I was looking / hoping for a non bias opinion.

Silly of me to ask.

IMO Hawks still lack a truely top shelf mid. They will go OK with what they have but up against the best midfields, top 3 midfields, they don't have the quality to match the current best.

I think Newcombe and Day are starting to be recognised as top end talents in the midfield, Worpel is a good hardball type, Nash plays his role as a big 198cm defensive mid who could probably up his tackle game, but he provides space for the others to do their job, if you're looking for the media to get on board, they won't, they, like most, get annoyed when we win, as far as our midfield statistically we have had one of the best midfields of the last 2 seasons and 2 high end picks developing, which is why i queried your original post indicating our mid needs improving... our players just don't get junk possessions and so from a disposal count pov I can see you could be confused as they don't average 30 disposals each.

Trust me, if we play badly, I will point it out, I'm not one of these "my teams the best" even when we suck types that infest bigfooty, but our midfield works well and competes with the best, they just aren't household names yet, Nash is the only 1 of the 4 that we could improve on, but you don't find 198cm midfielders every day...

 

[Obeanie1]

I think Newcombe and Day are starting to be recognised as top end talents in the midfield, Worpel is a good hardball type, Nash plays his role as a big 198cm defensive mid who could probably up his tackle game, but he provides space for the others to do their job, if you're looking for the media to get on board, they won't, they, like most, get annoyed when we win, as far as our midfield statistically we have had one of the best midfields of the last 2 seasons and 2 high end picks developing, which is why i queried your original post indicating our mid needs improving... our players just don't get junk possessions and so from a disposal count pov I can see you could be confused as they don't average 30 disposals each.

Trust me, if we play badly, I will point it out, I'm not one of these "my teams the best" even when we suck types that infest bigfooty, but our midfield works well and competes with the best, they just aren't household names yet, Nash is the only 1 of the 4 that we could improve on, but you don't find 198cm midfielders every day...

I would say the Hawks midfield group has potential. And are improving sure.

The kids though we don't know yet if they will be A graders or B+.

The only proven A grader is Newcombe and yes, he averaged just over 20 touches a game. Very similar to Chad Warner in stats output.

However look at the Swans. Chad is ranked 3rd best in the midfield behind Gulden and Heeney. So where would Newcombe rank, the Hawks highest ranked mid. 3rd or 4th at the Swans?

Look at Lions. Neale, Dunckley and McLuggage. Will be kind and rate Newcombe 3rd here, even though McLuggage gets more of the ball. Workout I put in this group as well ut is playing back in his final years.

That to me indicates the Hawks midfield has not shown to date it is up the same standard as the teams contending. Which is fair as the kids haven't peaked yet. Or has the current Hawks list. The question is what is their ceiling?

Hence my view they are one elite mid short of competing against the best midfields. Maybe one of the kids already there becomes that elite mid. Time will tell either way.

 

[Obeanie1]

Don’t you know - it’s pre-ordained. Linear path to the flag.

Yes, this I have been "educated" by a couple of Hawks posters sure.

Even when you point our examples and recent history showing development and improvement often is not linear in its progression. Hi Crows 2024.

Hawks progression in 2025 will be interesting to follow. Especially for Eagles fans if the Eagles retain the Hawks 2025 original draft hand rounds 1, 2 and 3. That is a huge investment in a 29 year old fullback.

 

[Davo-27]

Yes, this I have been "educated" by a couple of Hawks posters sure.

Even when you point our examples and recent history showing development and improvement often is not linear in its progression. Hi Crows 2024.

Hawks progression in 2025 will be interesting to follow. Especially for Eagles fans if the Eagles retain the Hawks 2025 original draft hand rounds 1, 2 and 3. That is a huge investment in a 29 year old fullback.

oh so you're just death riding us because of the future draft picks, well good luck with that...

 

[Obeanie1]

oh so you're just death riding us because of the future draft picks, well good luck with that...

Lol.

Who holds Hawks future picks has no relationship to how the Hawks midfield compares to the top sides.

Absolutely none at all.

Hence why I was comparing the Hawks midfield to the two grand final teams. That is relevant is it not?

IMO If the Hawks are going to improve they will need to go up another level to beat the top sides midfields when it matters. You don't agree?

Problem is how do they land a gun mid this draft or next year via trade or the draft? They just loaded up their defense at the expense of other areas of the ground.

If you want to use 'who hold the Hawks future picks' as a reason to ignore perfectly relevant comparisons to current contending sides......well good luck to you on that. That just comes across as sour grapes.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Lol.

Who holds Hawks future picks has no relationship to how the Hawks midfield compares to the top sides.

Absolutely none at all.

Hence why I was comparing the Hawks midfield to the two grand final teams. That is relevant is it not?

IMO If the Hawks are going to improve they will need to go up another level to beat the top sides midfields when it matters. You don't agree?

Problem is how do they land a gun mid this draft or next year via trade or the draft? They just loaded up their defense at the expense of other areas of the ground.

If you want to use 'who hold the Hawks future picks' as a reason to ignore perfectly relevant comparisons to current contending sides......well good luck to you on that. That just comes across as sour grapes.

Salary cap not an issue, so stop with that uneducated point, plenty of cash to target a FA if needed

Hawthorns issue was stopping teams from scoring once inside 50, something they rectified through the trade period

Hawthorn's strength was rebounding from shallow or inaccurate D50 entries, now have shored up and increased the ability to rebound from deeper with greater defensive strength.

Ideally a Ward or McKenzie kicks on, but jury is still out

Midfield is fine, would another A grader be good, it would be great, but wont be the reason we don't contend

 

[daniel23]

Lol.

Who holds Hawks future picks has no relationship to how the Hawks midfield compares to the top sides.

Absolutely none at all.

Hence why I was comparing the Hawks midfield to the two grand final teams. That is relevant is it not?

IMO If the Hawks are going to improve they will need to go up another level to beat the top sides midfields when it matters. You don't agree?

Problem is how do they land a gun mid this draft or next year via trade or the draft? They just loaded up their defense at the expense of other areas of the ground.

If you want to use 'who hold the Hawks future picks' as a reason to ignore perfectly relevant comparisons to current contending sides......well good luck to you on that. That just comes across as sour grapes.

I dont understand the point you are trying to make here ? In the last half of the season the only midfield that got on top of ours was gws rnd 21 and that was for the last quarter. We beat all the premier teams in the second half of the season and beat bulldogs in the finals without will day in there. What midfield is going to be better than they were this year ?

 

[Davo-27]

Lol.

Who holds Hawks future picks has no relationship to how the Hawks midfield compares to the top sides.

Absolutely none at all.

Hence why I was comparing the Hawks midfield to the two grand final teams. That is relevant is it not?

IMO If the Hawks are going to improve they will need to go up another level to beat the top sides midfields when it matters. You don't agree?

Problem is how do they land a gun mid this draft or next year via trade or the draft? They just loaded up their defense at the expense of other areas of the ground.

If you want to use 'who hold the Hawks future picks' as a reason to ignore perfectly relevant comparisons to current contending sides......well good luck to you on that. That just comes across as sour grapes.

you seem to have the opinion our midfield isnt good enough, you're obviously wrong, so then i thought what else could it be? maybe motivation from having our future draft picks, which makes more sense, but you do seem to be double downing on our midfield being not good enough? we won a final and nearly beat Port in Adelaide after they got pumped (when teams get pumped in the 1st final they have an 11-0 record now 12-0 record so history indicates they're reputation is on the line and they dont lose) our midfield is good enough to go all the way if we're lucky enough to win a premiership soon, you obviously disagree...

i dont want to make this thread about Hawthorn so can we move on to the current draft and Hawthorn dont need midfielders in this current draft imo.

 

[Shueygod]

The Hawks midfield is definitely run of the mill, Will Day is a gun, Newcombe almost A grade. Besides that it is solid foot soldiers galore.