Delist, Trade, Draft game

[Miguel Sanchez]

3) Spanger + #28 to GC for #15
4) Mckinley + #45 to Carlton for #38 ish (those that think Blues will give up #18 for him + WC's #26 are dreaming)

Wouldn't have thought Spangher was worth more than McKinley. Definitely wouldn't think we'd get a first-rounder for him, even as an upgrade.

-- Have feeling Hansen will be kept for insurance

You mean we'll set fire to him and try to collect the insurance?

 

[sTeeL]

Hams is a must upgrade over all our other rookies combined. The only guarantee for this period.

McKinley is gone. Worth a second rounder to GC I would say.

We won't trade Rosa or Selwood. Unlikely to move on Lynch or Hansen. Nico is gone



Spangher/Wilkes only ones we will lose out of our KP backs however as someone said in another thread, I think they will keep Willes on as he is a capable backup during injuries and he seems happy playing WAFL.

 

[maxrm]

Veterans list: Cox, Glass

De-list: B Jones, Nicoski, Wilkes OR Hansen, maybe sullivan.

Upgrade: Stevenson, Hams, Strijk, Wilson

Trade: Rosa + 44 to Collingwood for pick 24.
Mckinley + 28 to Carlton for pick 18.
Lynch + 24 to GC for pick 15.
Spangher + 26 to Hawthorn for pick 20.

Draft: Pick 4 (Atley) , Pick 15 (Lycett), Pick 18 (Lamb, Pick 20 (Andreoli), PSD pick (A/N Krakoeur OR Djerrekurra OR Mature aged player from AFL or WAFL OR Young player)

Rookie: 4 - 5 players

Would be an awesome outcome But very unlikely

 

[PRANKSTER666]

There are a lot of delusional people here who think we can add Spangher, Mckinley and co to one of our draft picks and make it a first rounder.

Not going to happen, firstly they are hacks and secondly I think clubs would be crazy to trade away their first round picks this year or the next given the concessions.

I just hope Lynch turns around and says he has signed with GC, but he has come out and said on numerous occasions he hasn't when the others are simply saying they want to wait for seasons end to negotiate their contracts.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

McKinley is a good player but he has had his career ruined by Worsfold's incompetence, playing him up the ground rather than near goals.

Spangher is worth keeping as his last few games showed what he is capable of but if he wants to leave then we should be able to get something good for him.

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

IMO WC will do fewer player movements than people think and that I would like.

If I was in charge this is how I would go

1) Vet list Glass and Cox
2) Delist Wilkes, Brett Jones and Nicoski (the latter 2 after payouts) from main list and Cockie and Sullivan from rookie list
3) Spanger + #28 to GC for #15
4) Mckinley + #45 to Carlton for #38 ish (those that think Blues will give up #18 for him + WC's #26 are dreaming)
5) Lynch is GC bound for around
6) Upgrade Wilson, Stephenson and Strijk
7) Use 4 picks in ND - #4, 15, 26 and 38 and 1 x PSD


Reckon
-- Rosa will stay but not fussed if he doesnt
-- Those calling for Selwood snr to be traded (Geoffe Miles) might as well go and piss into the breeze
-- Dalziell was given a 2yr deal and will NOT be delisted/traded after just 1 yr irregardless of how anyone feels about him
-- Have feeling Hansen will be kept for insurance

Never said it would happen. I just said if i was in charge it would happen. Tell me i'm wrong. Tell me how many times in his 100 plus games Selwood has been in the best 5 players on the park. The answer, from anybody who is prepared to be honest, is never. He has never, ever been a seriously influential player in any game i have seen.

And as for the people who defend and back him, they are just as entitled to their opinion as i am to mine but i reckon (and would be willing to bet) that if Selwood played for another club like say Freo or a different club the people on here backing him would ridicule and laugh at him and consider him a C grade player. And if it was proposed that we were going to trade a second round to get him there would be howls of anger and outrage on here at the prospect of giving up a pick for a player with such crap disposal. But because he is currently at our club and in our jersey these people look at it through a biased and emotional rose coloured glasses and see him as a quality player or somebody who still might become a quality player.

 

[SwiftforPM]

Never said it would happen. I just said if i was in charge it would happen. Tell me i'm wrong. Tell me how many times in his 100 plus games Selwood has been in the best 5 players on the park. The answer, from anybody who is prepared to be honest, is never. He has never, ever been a seriously influential player in any game i have seen.

And as for the people who defend and back him, they are just as entitled to their opinion as i am to mine but i reckon (and would be willing to bet) that if Selwood played for another club like say Freo or a different club the people on here backing him would ridicule and laugh at him and consider him a C grade player. And if it was proposed that we were going to trade a second round to get him there would be howls of anger and outrage on here at the prospect of giving up a pick for a player with such crap disposal. But because he is currently at our club and in our jersey these people look at it through a biased and emotional rose coloured glasses and see him as a quality player or somebody who still might become a quality player.

Selwood has 9 brownlow votes to his name. So I guess that means that on occassions the umps have judged him to be in the best 3 on the park.
I guess your opinion is wrong.

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

Selwood has 9 brownlow votes to his name. So I guess that means that on occassions the umps have judged him to be in the best 3 on the park.
I guess your opinion is wrong.

Oh wow, a whole 9 brownlow votes. Gee wiz. How close did Wayne Carey and Gary Ablett get to a brownlow. Brownlows votes are handed for weight of possesions, not necessarily influence on games. It's laughable that you want to use brownlow votes as a measure of a players ability and performance.

And even so, 9 brownlow votes in 140 or so games. Pretty paltry. Even if you accept brownlow votes as a valid measure of performance and ability is being in your sides best 2 or 3 midfielders for 3 or 4 games out of 140 you have played is impressive is it? You set the bar pretty low, mate. Would he get a game at a top 6 club?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Well you can't count this year's games because no votes have been awarded, so that takes it down to 117 games. He's polled Brownlow votes in 5 of those games, so that means he's been considered in the top 3 by the umpires in 5 games.

And according to this board's own player-of-the-year voting, posters considered him in our top 3 in two games up to round 13 (when votes went in-camera)

Which means that your suggestion that no-one would consider him in the top-5 players in any game in his career is ridiculously overstated.

 

[mehow2g]

I got a feeling Stevenson will be delisted or staying on the rookie list.

 

[WCErevival]

I got a feeling Stevenson will be delisted or staying on the rookie list.

I dont think he can go on the rookie list again as he's been on there a while. I may be wrong though.

I personally think he isnt as great as everyone made him out to be. He has a good kick but what else does he do?

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

Worsfold said on 6PR tonight that the decisions on where players stand have already been made and that they will be told this week (i.e. safe/borderline and definate or possible delistee , might be considered for trade etc) but that they won't necessarily know the exact outcome for all individual players because for borderline players or players considered for trade bait obviously the club won't know how many spot sit has on it's list to fill and what players might get traded in and out until after trade week.

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

Well you can't count this year's games because no votes have been awarded, so that takes it down to 117 games. He's polled Brownlow votes in 5 of those games, so that means he's been considered in the top 3 by the umpires in 5 games.

And according to this board's own player-of-the-year voting, posters considered him in our top 3 in two games up to round 13 (when votes went in-camera)

Which means that your suggestion that no-one would consider him in the top-5 players in any game in his career is ridiculously overstated.

Ha ha. Who cares what the nuffs nuffs on here vote for. The people voting in that on here would be the same delusional posters who think every player on our list is the next Chris Judd. And that voting only takes into account eagles players, i said he would not be in the best 5 players on the park.

Do you want me to alter my statement and say he wouldn't be considered in the best 5 players on the park by non biased judgements in any more than a handful or his 140 or so games instead of every single one? Not much of a difference but if it keeps you happy there you go. The fact that you have to nit pick at the edges and fine details of what i said rather than actually refute the thrust of my post says it all. I don't hear you saying that Selwood is a superstar and would get a game in any midfield in the comp or that he is highly regarded and therefore we would get a first round draft pick for him if we put him up for trade.

If you put up a quality 25 year old 100 games plus midfielder on the trade market a first round pick would be the starting point. Even Lovett warranted a first rounder last year. The fact that we would struggle to even get a second rounder for Selwood says it all.

 

[wceblog]

Trades:

Lynch > GC17
End of 2nd Round Compensation Pick > WCE

McKinley + Pick 28 > HAW
Pick 18 > WCE

Spangher >SYD
Pick 36 > WCE

De-list:

Beau Wilkes
Tony Notte
Ash Hansen (retired)

Upgrade:

Ashton Hams
Andrew Strijk

Draft:

4 - Brodie Smith
18 - Scott Lycett
26 - Alex Fasolo
36 - Rohan Bewick

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Do you want me to alter my statement and say he wouldn't be considered in the best 5 players on the park by non biased judgements in any more than a handful or his 140 or so games instead of every single one? Not much of a difference but if it keeps you happy there you go.

Yeah that'd be better

I agree with you that Selwood is a role player, of limited ability and wouldn't net us a decent draft pick if we shopped him. But you're not doing your argument any favours by making overly exaggerated statements. That was really my point.

 

[Eagle Ant]

Big call on mitch Brown there ant

If we trade Brown, spangher and Wilkes we will have no back up in the Backline?

Would GC try and truph us and take Darling at 3?

Glass, Emac and Will Schofield will be our starting 3 tall defenders.
We will get another tall defender in the draft, Hopefully Blayne Wilson.
If not him then their are a few good developing defenders around 20-22 in the WAFL and VFL atm that would be worth a crack. Plus we also Have Sheppard, JoJo and Embley that can go back and play on a Medium to tall Forward. If that Fails then Wilson has played as a defender Swingman like Hunter did with South Freo.

As for the Darling Q- No they wont, Swollow and Bennell have already accepted contracts and it rumored that Sam Day has been offered a contract as well.
If they dont take Day then they will go with the next best in the draft and thats Not Darling IMO, its Gaff, then Gorringe then Darling But we will take Darling ahead of these 2 because of requirement.
We dont need another starting Ruckman.
We dont need another inside Mid.

If Swollow or Bennell were available it may have been different but there Not.

Hope that helps.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Blayne Wilson is 187cm. Not tall enough for a key defender.

God help us if Embley or Sheppard ever have to play on a tall forward, and I'm not convinced JoJo can do it either.

Glass will probably be in his last season next year. Brown along with MacKenzie and Schofield should be our three key backs going forward (no pun intended).

 

[Patron]

Big call on mitch Brown there ant

If we trade Brown, spangher and Wilkes we will have no back up in the Backline?

Would GC try and truph us and take Darling at 3?

Hope to god they do then we would get day or bennell.

Atley over darling at 4 anyway.

 

[mehow2g]

I dont think he can go on the rookie list again as he's been on there a while. I may be wrong though.

I personally think he isnt as great as everyone made him out to be. He has a good kick but what else does he do?

Agreed

 

[Patron]

Trades (these three will be traded dont know what for.)
Lynch to gc for compensation pick (second rounder) this could be used this year at 29 or kept.
Spangher + pick 28 or 26 - to Hawthorn for pick 18 or Carlton for theirs
Mckinley + pick 18 to GC for pick 15 or 13

Frees up 3 spots.

Delist - pay out if still contracted i think a few of these are.
Hansen
Jones
Nicoski
Cockie

Maybe's (would rather use our picks and delist them if we have no room)
Mginnity
Wilkes
Sullivan

Wouldnt mind seing traded there value could plummet fast from now.
Butler- early second rounder/end of first round
Ebert- first rounder only
Rosa- early second rounder/end of first round
M Brown - first rounder only (would not delist wilkes if we traded him and would use one of our picks to draft a KPD)

Upgrade
Wilson
Stevenson
Strijk

If we do well with the spangher mckinley trade and dont use the compensatory would have
picks 4,13,26,44 + PSD (if needed would sacrifice sullivan,mginnity,wilkes to use these picks)

Realistically we would pick up somethin like
pick 4 - atley, darling
pick 13 - Lycett, parker, watson, pitt
pick 26 - Prestia, lamb, andreolli, green
pick 44 - krakouer, kripps, solly

if we did perfectly
pick 4 - Day - KPF who can ruck with naitanui like athleticism (better version of ryder)
Pick 13 - Smith - Inside/outside mid who reminds of judd at times around stoppages
pick 26 - Lamb - x factor arrogant Forward/midfielder
Pick 44 - Andreolli - outside mid/winger with pace

Psd - No idea. depends too much on other afl teams. Sewell or krakouer from vfl/wafl?

Plus 4 rookie picks

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

Why are people so convinced that Lynch is going to the GC? I will be staggered if the GC was overly interested in him. He is a long way below the calibre of the other players they have targeted and a few years older than most of them aswell. I think that GC have much bigger fish to chase and fry than a late 20's second tier player who is playing so poorly that he is having trouble holding his spot in the wooden spoon side. If he goes to the GC i think it will have to be him pleading and begging them rather than them chasing and hunting him.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Why are people so convinced that Lynch is going to the GC? I will be staggered if the GC was overly interested in him. He is a long way below the calibre of the other players they have targeted and a few years older than most of them aswell. I think that GC have much bigger fish to chase and fry than a late 20's second tier player who is playing so poorly that he is having trouble holding his spot in the wooden spoon side. If he goes to the GC i think it will have to be him pleading and begging them rather than them chasing and hunting him.

I think it's hope more than anything else.

Realistically he is a chance to go though. There haven't been any rumours regarding them signing any talls, and the ones they draft will take 2-3 years to be regulars at AFL level. So a spud like Lynch might just be a good fill in.

 

[W3llsy]

I dont think he can go on the rookie list again as he's been on there a while. I may be wrong though.

I personally think he isnt as great as everyone made him out to be. He has a good kick but what else does he do?

The last thing we need is a young kid with good footskills in our backline with midfield rotation potential.



Should we replace him with ANOTHER player who is full of heart, endeavour and toughness but who concedes goal after goal with poor disposal and decision making?

Reminds me a lot of Grant Birchall. He will be there next year, unbelievable people could think he is ahead of others for delistings/trading.

 

[worsfold]

Why are people so convinced that Lynch is going to the GC? I will be staggered if the GC was overly interested in him. He is a long way below the calibre of the other players they have targeted and a few years older than most of them aswell. I think that GC have much bigger fish to chase and fry than a late 20's second tier player who is playing so poorly that he is having trouble holding his spot in the wooden spoon side. If he goes to the GC i think it will have to be him pleading and begging them rather than them chasing and hunting him.

Lynch is 27 the same age as Bock
It has been rumoured all season that Gold coast were interested
Gold coast lack mature age talls
Lynch will be able to play ruck and midfiled for them like he did for us to protect the younger guys

 

[Marlin01]

Lynch is 27 the same age as Bock
It has been rumoured all season that Gold coast were interested
Gold coast lack mature age talls
Lynch will be able to play ruck and midfiled for them like he did for us to protect the younger guys

Exactly.