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[tesseract]

Melbourne thought they were being hilariously clever by taking Bennell and Jetta the pick before us. Sure we probably didnt do much better but the way the Melbourne fans went on about it at the time was ridiculous

That's why I have no problem hanging shit on them about taking Watts before Nic Nat.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Sure.

He mentioned "a Danyle Pearce". Is there more than one Danyle Pearce? Like a cluster of them somewhere, and we are going to get one of them. Hence, a Danyle Pearce.

In grammar, that's what we call an indefinite article. Rather than a definite article.

Do you think we will beat a Hawthorn tonight?

Don't start this crap again.

 

[Galileo9]

We'll agree to disagree on Ebert - i think his limitations will always prevent him from being anything more than a B grader who busts his balls in his endeavors. With who WC have as available to play in the centre square, Ebert was never going to add much other than depth.

I do agree with your asessment on both Stevens and Swift - and its why I have queried some drafting choices. Ebert, Swift and Stevens were all ball winners with questionable skills and despite what clubs may say, a 17yr old with poor kicking skills doesnt suddenly become a good kick because he is initiated into the AFL system.

Its why Zaharakis, Redden, Suban, Wright and Hannebery IMO were miles ahead of Swift in 2008 and why Duncan was clearly a miss the next year.

If I can defend them a little.

Ebert was considered extremely highly. his skill level is nowhere near as bad as people make out. he has improved.

Swift was seen as an excellent junior, one of the best in his age group but struck down by injury for a full year (or was it two cant remember). we had 3 picks inside top 20 and they thought it was worth a punt with 3rd. if it was this year and there was a junior that smashed it in U16 but sliding in draft order due to injury, id expect, as a fan, that WC to look at it especially if we had 3 picks inside top 20. Remember he had excellent draft camp results.

you do point out a list of players picked after swift, but there were 140 players picked after swift. adding a few more lets say 10/140 players made it. finding a gem later on is as much luck as it is skill.

Stevens - we wnated an inside mid, not a half forward flanker in Duncan. was hardly a priority.

in saying htat, someone should lose their job for picking Bedford over Jeff Garlett. that one still hurts me.

 

[Ian Dargie]

Don't start this crap again.

Correct grammar is what separates us from the animals, my friend.

 

[Ian Dargie]

Swift was seen as an excellent junior, one of the best in his age group but struck down by injury for a full year (or was it two cant remember). we had 3 picks inside top 20 and they thought it was worth a punt with 3rd. if it was this year and there was a junior that smashed it in U16 but sliding in draft order due to injury, id expect, as a fan, that WC to look at it especially if we had 3 picks inside top 20. Remember he had excellent draft camp results.

I heard Michael Voss thought he was the best player of all time.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Correct grammar is what separates us from the animals, my friend.

I thought it was opposable thumbs.

In any event there's enough grammar pedants among the moderators, you don't need to bother yourself with such trifles.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Correct grammar is what separates us from the animals, my friend.

I thought it was the swan river

 

[Galileo9]

I thought it was the swan river

haha nice one.

 

[Mattman93]

Correct grammar is what separates us from the animals, my friend.

Except the weasel.

 

[BOND 007]

If I can defend them a little.

Ebert was considered extremely highly. his skill level is nowhere near as bad as people make out. he has improved.

Swift was seen as an excellent junior, one of the best in his age group but struck down by injury for a full year (or was it two cant remember). we had 3 picks inside top 20 and they thought it was worth a punt with 3rd. if it was this year and there was a junior that smashed it in U16 but sliding in draft order due to injury, id expect, as a fan, that WC to look at it especially if we had 3 picks inside top 20. Remember he had excellent draft camp results.

you do point out a list of players picked after swift, but there were 140 players picked after swift. adding a few more lets say 10/140 players made it. finding a gem later on is as much luck as it is skill.

Stevens - we wnated an inside mid, not a half forward flanker in Duncan. was hardly a priority.

in saying htat, someone should lose their job for picking Bedford over Jeff Garlett. that one still hurts me.

Ebert WAS highly rated as a high possession ball winner however amongst the blurb was reference to his tendancy to "squander his disposal too much for ones liking"

Swift was chosen on his outstanding junior career before he needed knee reconstructions on both knees. The powers to be obviously felt he could pick up where he left off from and to be fair & as you pointed out the DC results, showed he still had his pace.

Stevens was chosen as you say correctly as an inside mid when in the previous 3 years WC had chosen Masten, Ebert, Shuey and Swift - all of who played an inside mid role as a state junior. Just how many inside mids does one team need especially when there were concerns over kicking ability of just about all of them. Duncan was never just a HFF, he rotated heavily through the centre in the U18's but could play both backward and forward of the centre because he possessed a trait than most of the above names dont have - the ability to kick.

I was told 'drafting success' comes from whether players in the 20-40 range are successful or not by a pesron who I know very well and who works in WC recruiting dept. This is the same person who basically laughed at me when over a few beers I mentioned the names Zaharakis, Redden, Wright and Hannebery as being clearly better options than Swift PRIOR to the 2008 draft (in all fairness i mentioned Liam Anthony as well).

Too often the recruiters miss the important things.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Duncun and Stevens. Same shit.

 

[WeSt CoAsT EaGLeS]

Brent Moloney officially the league's first free agent.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...first-free-agent/story-e6frf9jf-1226462679875

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Melbourne will be excited. Moar Picks!

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Brent Moloney would be a great pickup

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Brent Moloney would be a great pickup

Because we can get him for nothing but the contract we would pay him. Wouldn't give spuds for him otherwise.

 

[WCE_phil]

Because we can get him for nothing but the contract we would pay him. Wouldn't give spuds for him otherwise.

Oh come on, i'd give up adam selwood, strijk, swift, dalziell, papertalk, hamp for him.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Oh come on, i'd give up adam selwood, strijk, swift, dalziell, papertalk, hamp for him.

Huh? Id prefer the spuds to those you just mentioned.

 

[SpaceClef]

Huh? Id prefer the spuds to those you just mentioned.

They are a versatile ingredient

 

[Ian Dargie]

Stevens was chosen as you say correctly as an inside mid when in the previous 3 years WC had chosen Masten, Ebert, Shuey and Swift - all of who played an inside mid role as a state junior. Just how many inside mids does one team need especially when there were concerns over kicking ability of just about all of them.

Good point.

Shuey and Masten are good kicks now, though. And we then got Sheppard early. On the back of his kicking.

I like the idea of Sheppard. And he's shown some signs. He's 21 so there's still some time to run. But, given we took him ahead of Jetta and Fyfe, he's got some work to do. He needs to become a serious upgrade on Rosa, otherwise Sheppard at 7 is a bigger miscue than Stevens or Swift at 20-odd.

 

[WCE_phil]

Huh? Id prefer the spuds to those you just mentioned.

Well obviously, we keep the potatoes, make some good mash with lamb cutlets and a few beers while we put those 6 in a bag and send them off to melbourne. Maybe they are cannibals as well as shit and just go oh well fair enough.

 

[jknothimjustafan]

Good point.

Shuey and Masten are good kicks now, though. And we then got Sheppard early. On the back of his kicking.

I like the idea of Sheppard. And he's shown some signs. He's 21 so there's still some time to run. But, given we took him ahead of Jetta and Fyfe, he's got some work to do. He needs to become a serious upgrade on Rosa, otherwise Sheppard at 7 is a bigger miscue than Stevens or Swift at 20-odd.

I think Shep will be really really good next year. He was getting better and better this year before he did his ankle.

 

[Ian Dargie]

If you had to bet your life savings, one way or the other, yes or no: will we recruit a player who walks into our best 22?

I would bet no.

After all this chat about players, more than likely, we won't bite, even at smaller fish. I wish we would. I think we should. But, on balance, we probably won't. Right?

 

[Ian Dargie]

I think Shep will be really really good next year. He was getting better and better this year before he did his ankle.

Hope so.

Because when we talk about improvement from within the list in 2013, him and the return of LeCras are pretty close to the top of the wishlist. Pick 7. Turns 22 in May.

Tell me, though, if he's best 22 next year, where does he play?

At the moment, he's a fourth-choice wingman. Has he got more than that in the locker? Hope so.

 

[SpaceClef]

If you had to bet your life savings, one way or the other, yes or no: will we recruit a player who walks into our best 22?

I would bet no.

After all this chat about players, more than likely, we won't bite, even at smaller fish. I wish we would. I think we should. But, on balance, we probably won't. Right?

Probably not. I think the coaches will back our young blokes to improve to the point where we threaten for the flag.

EDIT - On Shep, I think he just needs to be played, and kept away from the flanks. Needs to learn where to go to get his own ball. Maybe get him to run with opposition outside mids for a bit? Like the old Masten-Harvey semi tag? He's quick and can tackle well. Won't have room for him on the HFF with Lecras and Nicoski back, and there aint much room for him down back either.

 

[Icanwalk]

If you had to bet your life savings, one way or the other, yes or no: will we recruit a player who walks into our best 22? I would bet no.

After all this chat about players, more than likely, we won't bite, even at smaller fish. I wish we would. I think we should. But, on balance, we probably won't. Right?

Agree completely, when it comes to trade week, the only thing I'd bet on is that we'll be as conservative as every other year.

No chance of landing an elite or A grader. All this this speculation over Goddard, Coniglio, etc. is nothing but fantasy.

But that does not mean we can't make any improvements to our squad. There are decent depth players out there that could perhaps develop into best 22 players under the right circumstances. Much like Josh Hill. I'm just hoping that they've been identified and plans are being put in place.