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If Mcginnity is to play he needs to mold his game on Deboer who i would say have the same skill level.
Mcginnty played his best football last year as a negating forward but can go missing at times.
Mcginnty played his best football last year as a negating forward but can go missing at times.
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I'd say De Boer is a bit more skilful. McGinnity kicks it like a rugby player and is fumbly as hell, while De Boer has at least adequate skills.
Fair point though. Probably has one season left to prove that he's up for it. As it stands I much prefer Hutchings as a tough, defensive HFF who can rotate into the middle.
As Eagle87 pointed out, Paddy Mac really struggles to position himself to be able to attack the ball or defend the man. Would really benefit from better defensive structures and hopefully a new coach can bring that. If we let him go I could see Freo pouncing because he would certainly suit their playing style.
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I agree, but i wouldnt keep McGinnity as anything but depth if we had to keep him.
Nah, still using the same on SEN all season. Worst still, he's is still going by "the list manager"
Names please.
agree mcginnity brings some mongrel to the team but even the best skills coach couldn't teach him footballing instinct, which he really lacks. one of our worst for selling teammates into trouble and as others have stated he lacks any hurt factor when we have the ball. scooter will be playing his role (only much better) when get a fair dinkum midfield together.
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Thats great, but we need guys with mongrel and skills, and if they dont have both, turn the list over and get guys that do.
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I don't have an issue with McGinnity - he "could" be a role player in a better side. He does give effort every time
Think Rowan Jones without the ability to mark.
The problem we have as a club, is any one individual can be justified. The reality is though we have too many role players, and not enough quality.
Dalziell - ok for depth and an average contributor. You could rattle off another half dozen names like Dalziell and McGinnity quite easily of blokes who try their guts out and you can defend individually but as a collective are not good enough.
Add in an ageing Cox/Glass and we have a number of players in our side going into 2014 that are just contributors.
Which leaves it on the shoulders of a few to actually perform every week and the reality is unless you are Gary Ablett or Scott Pendlebury, you aren't going to do it.
Our list needs a refresh of the list cloggers, sure keep one or 2 of them for depth and support but the reality is someone like Carter or Tunbridge is going to perform at a similar level to a Dalziell or McGinnity, with the ability to perhaps get better. And if they don't, they get delisted.
Think Rowan Jones without the ability to mark.
The problem we have as a club, is any one individual can be justified. The reality is though we have too many role players, and not enough quality.
Dalziell - ok for depth and an average contributor. You could rattle off another half dozen names like Dalziell and McGinnity quite easily of blokes who try their guts out and you can defend individually but as a collective are not good enough.
Add in an ageing Cox/Glass and we have a number of players in our side going into 2014 that are just contributors.
Which leaves it on the shoulders of a few to actually perform every week and the reality is unless you are Gary Ablett or Scott Pendlebury, you aren't going to do it.
Our list needs a refresh of the list cloggers, sure keep one or 2 of them for depth and support but the reality is someone like Carter or Tunbridge is going to perform at a similar level to a Dalziell or McGinnity, with the ability to perhaps get better. And if they don't, they get delisted.
I wouldn't compare him to Rojo. Rojo was a very smart player who positioned himself to link-up play and then shepherd for superior outside runners. McGinnity has as much issue with those nuances as he does with his disposal. I think a less talented Daniel Chick is how I'd describe McGinnity, while Dalziell is probably closer to Rojo.
Definitely agree that there isn't enough quality. Role players need to be the icing rather than the cake, which is why I think we should be looking at recruiting young players with tremendous upside rather than conservative options who will almost certainly be decent or good, but will never be outstanding. For that reason I'm a bit apprehensive about Sheed compared to say Bontempelli, Acres, Billings or even Freeman.
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When people talk about sheed's lack of upside, do they really mean his lack of pace?
Who's to say he's hit his peak in other aspects of his game?
Pace, size. His skills look good but don't really stand out. He's already fairly "ready made" in terms of build and endurance. Of course there are great players you could have said the same about.
It's not an exact science and players prove armchair recruiters and even professional recruiters wrong pretty regularly, but I calls it how I sees it.
I just think the 4 players I listed have more scope to improve and offer things that we don't have (and quite obviously need!).
We just need talent, class and smarts - other things like speed and height etc are secondary.
Ability to make good decisions in close under pressure, no fumbling, knowing when to spread etc.... these are the things we need first and foremost.
Ability to make good decisions in close under pressure, no fumbling, knowing when to spread etc.... these are the things we need first and foremost.
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The only bloke I can see west coast taking the risk with is bontempelli. But I really can't see them taking the risk with another high pick. Sheed is an almost certainty to be atleast A very good player. There are a lot of a grade players in the comp with average to slow pace, which is sheeds apparent weaknesses. Clean hands, smarts and good skills are exactly what we need
Of course talent, class and smarts are the primary considerations because it's pretty hard to be a footy player, let alone a top 10 pick, without them, but that doesn't mean that things like speed, height, versatility and defensive aptitude aren't important too. If they weren't we'd just draft Lewis Taylor and be done with it, or play Chris Masten and Andrew Gaff through the midfield full-time and drop Scott Selwood. If they weren't important Nat Fyfe and Paddy Dangerfield would be dead average players and Daniel Rich would be a deadset gun.
We really should be looking for players with both "sets" of characteristics.
Pace, for example, often means more effective clearances, more damaging spread and higher defensive capacity. Size again often means more effective clearances, better tackling and better marking. We are lacking both of these things.
I wouldn't be unhappy if we drafted Sheed, I just think there are players who can offer more than class and decision making.
I don't think it is possible to draft 'the perfect player' (Dr Swift aside) but what can be done is attempt to fill needs. The Eagles need a player that is smart with the ball and doesn't just slam it onto the boot (which is something that about 80% of us complain about each week). There are a lot more quick players around than there are smart, skillful and calm players.
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I'm looking forward to finding out how Sheed goes in the 20m sprint at the draft camp.
I'm all for drafting said players, but how rare is it that players tick both sets of boxes??
I don't think Gaff or Masten are great examples because neither have that much poise inside. Gaff also has no right boot and is knocked over too easily.
I'm also not saying we should get a 170 cm midget, but i would rather the player fulfils my set of criteria only, rather than only be quick and tall but have no inside midfield nous.
Anyway, my post wasn't meant to be seen as discounting speed etc, i just think we have an extreme lack of class in our midfield, and adding the faster player in the competition to it won't necessarily fix that.
Sub 2.9.........put money on it !
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Hutch ran a pretty quick combine, those results can be misleading.
Strongly Disagree.
guys like sheppard, smith who have a lot of upside are the guys who could turn it around with a new coach. With Mcginnity one thing you could never really question was his effort and willingness to get his hands dirty. However skills and footy nous will not suddenly develop with a new coach, he is a very average footballer with a poor skillset.
Strongly Disagree.
guys like sheppard, smith who have a lot of upside are the guys who could turn it around with a new coach. With Mcginnity one thing you could never really question was his effort and willingness to get his hands dirty. However skills and footy nous will not suddenly develop with a new coach, he is a very average footballer with a poor skillset.
Whats with the cats board going on about SS going to geelong, they recon duncan maybe on the table?
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