Mega Thread Delist/Trade/Draft Supermegaultrathread - Now Starts A Long Offseason

[Jandamarra]

If a strength is his tackling as you said and he has extreme pace then why so low ?
Or he only uses his attributes offensively and doesn't get back and help defensively as much as you think

Im willing to accept that Pickett can tackle and defensively pressure very well skill wise, but needs to increase the frequency in which he does.

My original posts were more in regard to Weller though, and my concerns that his game wouldn't translate well to AFL level.

Im just a little worried. Been reading up on Masten's draft profile from back in 2007. Apparently he was a contested king back in the day- yet his frail bod has meant this hasn't translated to AFL form. One of the big criticisms of Weller is his lack of strength, even at the U18 level (181cm 71kg), meaning that he'll probably play on the outside with masto. I dont think this is the kind of player we need to be honest, he'd just be Masto 2.0 Electric Boogaloo

Albeit 2cm taller and with better kicking skills. Wont be elite IMO and will be very susceptible to the tag.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Garlett would have been a fantastic acquisition had we not recently just signed up Hill. Hill being re-signed means we don't 'really' have room for Garlett on the list now. It's why i was so annoyed at Hill getting another year.

Garlett has the ability to break a game apart with his X factor, and like E87 said, is actually AFL standard. Hill is a lazy no hoper and we know exactly what output we're going to get from him. If you look past Garlett's last year or so and take a look into his track record, he could add something completely different to our side if given the chance. He has potential to be really damaging.

For what we would pay for him, it seems a waste of talent.

 

[SpaceClef]

What? Please explain. His defensive pressure comes too late, from the 5-6 times that I've watched him, ie he waits until they have the ball before putting the pressure on, rather than getting into a better position defensively, prior to them getting the ball.

I don't think this is a hard-wired trait though - Josh Hill has shown (albeit temporarily) that you can convince players with poor defensive work rate to apply more pressure. Similarly entire teams go from bring defensively lax to manic tacklers - as we saw in 2011.

Being defensive minded is surely not a fixed attribute that we can linearly extrapolate from players' U/18 games through to their entire careers. This doesn't just apply to Pickett, but I would hate to think that we'd overlook talented players because we don't think they'll ever develop a defensive side to their game.

 

[Dark Sharks]

If Pickett is available and we don't pick him I will stop defending Priddis as a protest against the club.

Exactly what we need.

I shall anticipate your arrival in the Priddis thread after the draft

 

[SpaceClef]

He only had 12 tackles in 6 games in the u18 championships . What a machine !

Number 4 draft pick Andrew Gaff averaged a fraction over one tackle per game over his first two seasons.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Im willing to accept that Pickett can tackle and defensively pressure very well skill wise, but needs to increase the frequency in which he does.

My original posts were more in regard to Weller though, and my concerns that his game wouldn't translate well to AFL level.

Fair enough I'm not against drafting Pickett and i really like his offensve game but I don't see him being the answer to our midfield problems . I see him more of a HFF that pushes up to the wing . No time on ball just a dynamic outside runner that can also play inside our forward 50 .
Weller on the other hand I see in a hannebury type role where he is the player coming hard of the square streaming past our on ballers , receiving then using his elite kicking .
Being part of our on ball rotation in a few years also using his work rate to link up on the wings .

It is a bit of a futile argument as we like both players and we are just arguing over small attributes to seperate them .

Both type of player we need but both are not the big bodies mids that don't get pushed off the ball Simpson wants .
Waterman will be one but I do think we need a second this draft .

If we could get Jackson Nelson with our second I would be stoked . I think he would be a player that Simpson would love . Big bodied mid/def that has great kicking skill both feet , tackling machine and good overhead mark .

 

[Jandamarra]

Fair enough I'm not against drafting Pickett and i really like his offensve game but I don't see him being the answer to our midfield problems . I see him more of a HFF that pushes up to the wing . No time on ball just a dynamic outside runner that can also play inside our forward 50 .
Weller on the other hand I see in a hannebury type role where he is the player coming hard of the square streaming past our on ballers , receiving then using his elite kicking .
Being part of our on ball rotation in a few years also using his work rate to link up on the wings .

It is a bit of a futile argument as we like both players and we are just arguing over small attributes to seperate them .

Both type of player we need but both are not the big bodies mids that don't get pushed off the ball Simpson wants .
Waterman will be one but I do think we need a second this draft .

If we could get Jackson Nelson with our second I would be stoked . I think he would be a player that Simpson would love . Big bodied mid/def that has great kicking skill both feet , tackling machine and good overhead mark .

I understand your points and see where you are coming from but as you said we are just arguing over semantics here; i have my opinion, you have yours.

That being said, what are your thoughts on Nakia Cockatoo and Touk Miller?
Nakia Cockatoo is the skillful big body you were talking about above and, while Touk Miller is sub 180cm, his attack on the ball is ferocious and he has a very powerful build. I like both players for their blend of outside and inside versatility and i think they'd compliment our side well.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

I understand your points and see where you are coming from but as you said we are just arguing over semantics here; i have my opinion, you have yours.

That being said, what are your thoughts on Nakia Cockatoo and Touk Miller?
Nakia Cockatoo is the skillful big body you were talking about above and, while Touk Miller is sub 180cm, his attack on the ball is ferocious and he has a very powerful build. I like both players for their blend of outside and inside versatility and i think they'd compliment our side well.

I rate both of them I had cockatoo as a sneaky selection back in July when he was injured and may have slid down the draft order . Before he was cool but now looks to be a late first early second
Miller I rate as a Kerr like player , don't think will last to our 3rd but if we could upgrade our third to a very early third or late second then definitely take him but as I said in my last post I would like a taller big bodied mid with our second so Nelson or cockatoo would be awesome

 

[Big Tones]

Garlett would have been a fantastic acquisition had we not recently just signed up Hill. Hill being re-signed means we don't 'really' have room for Garlett on the list now. It's why i was so annoyed at Hill getting another year.

Garlett has the ability to break a game apart with his X factor, and like E87 said, is actually AFL standard. Hill is a lazy no hoper and we know exactly what output we're going to get from him. If you look past Garlett's last year or so and take a look into his track record, he could add something completely different to our side if given the chance. He has potential to be really damaging.

For what we would pay for him, it seems a waste of talent.

Given Mick wants him out, if stalemate continues and nobody else goes for him, we could rookie list him ...... We're bound to have a lti.

 

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Reece Homfray on Superfooty rates you club's dream and nightmare trade

WEST COAST

Dream Scenario: Win the race for Nick Malceski’s signature.

Worst Nightmare: Miss out on Malceski and are unable to bolster their defence.

Who is this guy? Our defence is not a priority

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Reece Homfray on Superfooty rates you club's dream and nightmare trade

WEST COAST

Dream Scenario: Win the race for Nick Malceski’s signature.

Worst Nightmare: Miss out on Malceski and are unable to bolster their defence.

Who is this guy? Our defence is not a priority

1min google search journalism

 

[SSV_]

Reece Homfray on Superfooty rates you club's dream and nightmare trade

WEST COAST

Dream Scenario: Win the race for Nick Malceski’s signature.

Worst Nightmare: Miss out on Malceski and are unable to bolster their defence.

Who is this guy? Our defence is not a priority

Where will we find a rebounding defender? WHERE!?!?

 

[Dark Sharks]

Reece Homfray on Superfooty rates you club's dream and nightmare trade

WEST COAST

Dream Scenario: Win the race for Nick Malceski’s signature.

Worst Nightmare: Miss out on Malceski and are unable to bolster their defence.

Who is this guy? Our defence is not a priority

What a load of shit. We got Barrett JNR over here making calls out of his ass.

Any turnip in the AFL knows how bad our midfield is and if we needed to address anything, it would be that.

 

[kranky al]

If he is that good... why is he being shopped around with very little interest?

He comes with a heap of baggage, isn't an elite talent and plays a role that isn't overly pressing. That doesn't describe "must have" to me.

I'd prefer him over Josh Hill in terms of role, but Josh has been re-signed so that is done

Thats the crux - we have resigned hill and got our jailbird back - if we were going to go for garlett we wouldnt have resigned hill

Qed

 

[kranky al]

What a load of shit. We got Barrett JNR over here making calls out of his ass.

Any turnip in the AFL knows how bad our midfield is and if we needed to address anything, it would be that.

Shhhhh - hes an expert - they are always right

 

[SpaceClef]

What a load of shit. We got Barrett JNR over here making calls out of his ass.

Any turnip in the AFL knows how bad our midfield is and if we needed to address anything, it would be that.

To be fair, it doesn't look like there's much else on the grapevine trade-wise that they have to work with...but you'd think they could just make up something like "lures homesick midfielder Coniglio back to Perth in exchange for Will Schofield and pick 30"

 

[Masto]

What a load of shit. We got Barrett JNR over here making calls out of his ass.

Any turnip in the AFL knows how bad our midfield is and if we needed to address anything, it would be that.

That's not true, we have a Brownlow medalist playing there.

 

[Masto]

To be fair, it doesn't look like there's much else on the grapevine trade-wise that they have to work with...but you'd think they could just make up something like "lures homesick midfielder Coniglio back to Perth in exchange for Will Schofield and pick 30"

Not sure about Coniglio. He's been injured every year he's played. Talented but given the required price tag would be a risky pickup.

 

[Dark Sharks]

That's not true, we have a Brownlow medalist playing there.

This is true. On that fact alone we should dominate, but that's just not the case now is it

 

[SpaceClef]

Not sure about Coniglio. He's been injured every year he's played. Talented but given the required price tag would be a risky pickup.

Yeh I was just pulling something out of my ass that the journo could've used instead of Malceski being our 'dream scenario'

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Fair enough I'm not against drafting Pickett and i really like his offensve game but I don't see him being the answer to our midfield problems . I see him more of a HFF that pushes up to the wing . No time on ball just a dynamic outside runner that can also play inside our forward 50 .

Which won't be the case exclusively because Pickett's best asset is his ability to run away from congestion. He can play on ball in bursts coming off the half forward flank or he can be put behind the ball (ala Yarran) or even on a wing at stages.

 

[Eagle87]

1min google search journalism

1 whole minute? I'm not even sure that dick went that far tbh


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[paran]

Which won't be the case exclusively because Pickett's best asset is his ability to run away from congestion. He can play on ball in bursts coming off the half forward flank or he can be put being the ball or even on a wing at stages.

Is he capable of developing the tank to be a full time mid and the defensive awareness to play both ways? Woh would you pick between Weller and Pickett?

 

[paran]

Couldn't agree more.

I think Masten is, at least partly, a victim of poor development.

Kerry thought Masten would play more inside but we always protected him from too much contact, forward, wing, anywhere out wide - ostensibly to develop his outside game but eventually to the complete detriment of what was a good junior inside game ...

May be too late to change that but we'll see


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+1

I think that period was particularly poor for our development of inside mids. We tended to focus of trying to fix weaknesses instead of enhancing and using strengths. Masten, Ebert, Swift, Stevens, Stevenson were all guys whose develpment puzzled me.

 

[eagles 2014]

+1

I think that period was particularly poor for our development of inside mids. We tended to focus of trying to fix weaknesses instead of enhancing and using strengths. Masten, Ebert, Swift, Stevens, Stevenson were all guys whose develpment puzzled me.

Frankly I think this is the crux of the Priddis issue for me - why wasn't WC able to recruit and/or develop any inside mids capable of surpassing Priddis over the past 5 years? Priddis is a very good player but his speed and disposal weaknesses will never allow him to be a truly "elite" player and that is not helping the team to move forward. He is just doing the best job he can with the tools he has.

The biggest issue for mine, was WC couldn't even get inside mids performing well at WAFL level (who weren't playing regularly at AFL level). Stevens had a couple of WAFL decent games. Ebert was played out of position in the AFL. Both have gone to other clubs, and from what I have seen of them which has been limited, neither offer anything more than Priddis. Swift showed some glimpses but was never given a fair go (and almost certainly wasn't the answer anyway). I think Hutchings has been the first inside mid to come in to the team, and look like he belongs, for quite a while.

We'll see how the draft/trade period goes this year but, provided we get Waterman for a late-ish pick, so far it looks a lot more promising than previous years. Hopefully Simmo is able to do recruit and develop midfielders better than the previous 5 or so years.