Analysis Derek Hine leaves the Pies

[AndrewShawble]

Please don’t tell me one of the 2, pick 7 picks for Treloar could have landed us McKay? Thanks Derek

Yep, could have had McKay not Treloar.
Could have had Naughton, not Stephenson
Could have had Georgiadis not Beams

Once is bad luck, a few times is a trend

 

[Matt_352]

Yep, could have had McKay not Treloar.
Could have had Naughton, not Stephenson
Could have had Georgiadis not Beams

Once is bad luck, a few times is a trend

How he has escaped the blowtorch is a joke

 

[ZEV]

Enough is enough with this guy, we have tried it his way drafting (or not drafting) key forwards.

Our last one of any note was Trav Cloke who was a f/s.

Cox was a great experiment and had some great moments, Cameron has been handy as a 2nd ruck/forward.

The cupboard is bare.

Don't think we can lay the blame on Hine for this one. He picks them, not develops them.

 

[Drought Break]

Yep, could have had McKay not Treloar.
Could have had Naughton, not Stephenson
Could have had Georgiadis not Beams

Once is bad luck, a few times is a trend

Bloody depressing mate. Hopefully Wright moves Derek on along with Harvey, Sanderson and 90% of the board

 

[AndrewShawble]

How he has escaped the blowtorch is a joke

Going to be hard to escape the delayed effects of 2012 - 2019 drafts


2012

• Pick 18, Brodie Grundy
• Pick 19, Ben Kennedy
• Pick 20, Tom Broomhead

2013

• Pick 6, Scharenberg
• Pick 10, Freeman

2014

• Pick 5, De Goey
• Pick 9, Moore

2015

• Pick 7, traded for Treloar

2016

• Pick 7, traded for Treloar

2017

• Pick 6, Jaidyn Stephenson

2018

• Pick 18, traded for Dayne Beams

2019

• first round pick, traded for Dayne Beams

 

[ZEV]

How he has escaped the blowtorch is a joke

Since Travis Cloke was drafted off the top of my head we have recruited Reid, Dawes, Brown, Paine, Gault, Moore, Kelly, Cox, White, Lynch, McMahon, Tarrant, Cameron and the most successful out of the lot has been a middle aged undersized VFL defender in Mihocek....

 

[AndrewShawble]

Don't think we can lay the blame on Hine for this one. He picks them, not develops them.

Which KPF’s has he picked in the last decade? Been a couple, nobody of note.

 

[PieBeast]

Should have been gone years ago, just like Buckley.

 

[AndrewShawble]

Since Travis Cloke was drafted off the top of my head we have recruited Reid, Dawes, Brown, Paine, Gault, Moore, Kelly, Cox, White, Lynch, McMahon, Tarrant, Cameron and the most successful out of the lot has been a middle aged undersized VFL defender in Mihocek....

That is a horrid list, a number of them picked in the mid to late 00’s, a few of them free agents/journeymen.

Where are the KPF’s nailed in the first/2nd round in the last decade?

 

[jc37]

Yep, could have had McKay not Treloar.
Could have had Naughton, not Stephenson
Could have had Georgiadis not Beams

Once is bad luck, a few times is a trend

We could have had Beams instead of De Goey, Greenwood and Crisp
Stephenson won the Norwich Rising Star played in a GF first year.....yes we could have had Naughton. I really liked Naughton but kicking was suspect. Hine didnt completely stuff that pick regardless of how things have turned out since.
Beams recruitment second time around wasnt Hine and maybe not even Ned Guy seems to come from the board. Most stupid decision ever in so many aspects.

 

[ZEV]

Which KPF’s has he picked in the last decade? Been a couple, nobody of note.

If Darcy Moore can't make it in our forward line what chance has anyone else got?

 

[10571z]

Yep, could have had McKay not Treloar.
Could have had Naughton, not Stephenson
Could have had Georgiadis not Beams

Once is bad luck, a few times is a trend

Lmfao I could do this with absolutely every club ever.

 

[AndrewShawble]

If Darcy Moore can't make it in our forward line what chance has anyone else got?

He won more All-Australian blazers playing in the backline.

 

[10571z]

Collingwood average a GF appearance something like every 4 years since the league was founded, statistically what’s occurred in the last 10-15 years is actually fairly common for Collingwood.

Yes because what happened in 1904 is relevant now. Moronic argument

 

[ZEV]

That is a horrid list, a number of them picked in the mid to late 00’s, a few of them free agents/journeymen.

Where are the KPF’s nailed in the first/2nd round in the last decade?

Buddy Franklin and Josh Kennedy would have struggled to get a kick they way he have used our forwards.

 

[AndrewShawble]

Lmfao I could do this with absolutely every club ever.

Yeah you could 100%.

The proof is in the pudding at Collingwood though, we don’t have any KPF’s coming through.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Would hope Derek is moved on ASAP.

 

[AndrewShawble]

Yes because what happened in 1904 is relevant now. Moronic argument

Is it? 100+ years of data shows that the GF record we’ve had in the last 10-15 years isn’t actually uncommon for Collingwood.

 

[Drought Break]

Going to be hard to escape the delayed effects of 2012 - 2019 drafts


2012

• Pick 18, Brodie Grundy
• Pick 19, Ben Kennedy
• Pick 20, Tom Broomhead

2013

• Pick 6, Scharenberg
• Pick 10, Freeman

2014

• Pick 5, De Goey
• Pick 9, Moore

2015

• Pick 7, traded for Treloar

2016

• Pick 7, traded for Treloar

2017

• Pick 6, Jaidyn Stephenson

2018

• Pick 18, traded for Dayne Beams

2019

• first round pick, traded for Dayne Beams

Argh. Stop it. Thought the 2013 draft was horrendous but that 5 yr period from 2015 on is even worse

 

[Matt_352]

Going to be hard to escape the delayed effects of 2012 - 2019 drafts


2012

• Pick 18, Brodie Grundy
• Pick 19, Ben Kennedy
• Pick 20, Tom Broomhead

2013

• Pick 6, Scharenberg
• Pick 10, Freeman

2014

• Pick 5, De Goey
• Pick 9, Moore

2015

• Pick 7, traded for Treloar

2016

• Pick 7, traded for Treloar

2017

• Pick 6, Jaidyn Stephenson

2018

• Pick 18, traded for Dayne Beams

2019

• first round pick, traded for Dayne Beams

Gee that's depressing reading

 

[AndrewShawble]

Gee that's depressing reading

It helps explain why we are in the mess we are in, if that’s any consolation. You can’t hide from that sort of damage.

 

[Matt_352]

One thing from today's game is we are treacle slow. Like get some pace ffs

 

[AndrewShawble]

Gee that's depressing reading

That’s why posters keep saying we need 24-27 year olds, we have skipped a generation of them.

 

[AndrewShawble]

One thing from today's game is we are treacle slow. Like get some pace ffs

Stephenson felt like one of our quicker players.

 

[Drought Break]

Lmfao I could do this with absolutely every club ever.

Yeh but which other club hasn’t had a decent forward for the best part of 10 years?. An obvious list need that our recruitment consistently neglects