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News Dermott Brereton taps Tex on the shoulder
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Riccutio also played when cooked as a Christmas turkey. It ruins your standing amongst the realists. It shouldn’t be allowed to happen. It’s not only the deluded players, it’s the pathetically weak coaches and administration. Very regrettable.
I think it's a combination of a character flaw and poor club philosophy. Ultimately, I separate their useful careers from the selfishness they showed at the end. Thommo was still a true great of our club that carried our midfield on his shoulders for a fair time. Like Tex, his body broke down on him. He chose himself and a personal milestone at the end of his career, but that doesn't change his football contribution. It just puts an asterisk next to his milestone as Tex will have. Which I'll never understand. Your value is the sum of your contribution to the club, what's the difference between 198 and 200 games when you look back at your service. Especially if you were carried across the line to 200.
And people must learn to set aside past deeds in these discussions. Every. Single. Decision. must be made purely about what is best for the team. 200 games is an individual milestone, it has zero relevance to any discussion about what needs to be done now. tex getting 200 will not matter to a hopefully contending group in 4 years time. We've carried Reilly and VB to 200, Thommo to 300, where's the performance benefit from that culture now?
I don't get the emotional investment in a number. I wish Tex hadn't done a knee, hadn't played injured so god damn often, won that flag as captain. He's been a huge player for our club, one of our greats on and off field. I would prefer his body still holding up and him powering through 200. But it's not to be. It's time to go right now.
Roo was one of the biggest drop offs in AFL history. Think he was fastest to 300, going ok, huge 300th, gone 12 games later. But there's no * next to his milestone. Disappointed he put himself ahead of the group in that elimination final, but that's the culture that we're dealing with #mefirst
I wonder if he was on something to get to 300 and then stopped it once he got to his goal.
No cost to carrying him through to the end of the season.
I’ve been listening to Dyl Buckley’s podcast with Zac Dawson this week. After the infamous game where Anthony Rocca killed him in his 4th AFL game when he was 20kg lighter, he was then on the receiving end of media and public abuse for 3 weeks afterwards. Even says to this day he gets people abusing him in public on occasion over that day, which was 15 years ago. Said that’s he learnt how to ignore it, but gets more worried about what his family goes through having to see a loved one get abused over a game of footy.Disgusting stuff
Taylor Walker details “death threats, comments about kids” from disgruntled fans
AFL players are often on the receiving end through social mediawww.afc.com.au
Highly recommend anyone listen to the podcast to get an insight into what AFL players have to deal with from feral supporters even after they retire.
I feel less sorry for Tex as he enjoyed putting himself out there on public media when things were going his way and he was a big wheel. I'm not sure what has been said about him, but I don't really care either. Social media is a cesspool.
I can see that but 200 lifts the supporter base who have something to celebrate. Tex is given a proper send off and F/S considerations.
Once he gets the 200 I agree for our future development we need to see Fogerty play forward without Tex's presence.
FR0GGY
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What’s the podcast called?
f/s is 100 and building to a flag is what supporters want. You want his 200 to look exactly like Kornes' 300 then? And he won't be retiring after 200 for that reason. His plan is to hold out Fog for the rest of the year.
Players playing well past their use-by date isn't unique to the Crows or AFL in general. It's probably the nature of every sports person in the world who still thinks they've got something left in the tank when they're past it. That's why you need strong coaches and administration who are willing and able to tell a guy it's time. We knew Thompson was cooked, we kept him on the list for an extra year anyway.
I get it sucks to tell a dude who has been such a huge contributor to the club that it's over, but if they don't do it with Tex at the end of this year it's just going to end very badly for everyone.
I get it sucks to tell a dude who has been such a huge contributor to the club that it's over, but if they don't do it with Tex at the end of this year it's just going to end very badly for everyone.
I doubt we've got the free cap space to free up Gibbs and Tex list spots. I doubt we've rolled any free space forward and even if planned at 95% minimum this year, it's only $650k ish available. Those 2 would be close to $1.5m. Van we go 5% over from 5% under though? That could free up enough.
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F/S is 100 games, not 200 games.
The 200 game thing was the weird rules implemented for SANFL players to be eligible for us (as well as having played those 200 games in a certain period), which is why we missed out on Gibbs (and Port, Borlace).
lacrow
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I've been reading through these posts and normally I don't contribute but some of the comments on here are just idiotic.
#1: This season is a joke and we are rebuilding. Watch the games, players are not playing 100%, all of them know this is a write-off. We are swapping people around like crazy because there are so many games crammed into such a small timeframe. Who cares if Tex gets the benefit of the doubt to play in this context? It literally does not harm us at all.
#2: Tex is cooked. Firstly, I don't necessarily agree. Yes, he is not the mighty 24-year-old, Carey-mark-II that we saw back then, but the guy is still an incredibly smart football player, much like Podsiadly, and he has a lot of leadership and experience to share with guys like Himmelberg and Fog.
#3: We are already playing a ton of young kids who NEED experience and leadership out there. This is why I don't really mind playing DMac from time to time either. DMac, for all his flaws, at least shows hardness and endeavor and shows the youngsters what the standard is.
#4: Tex is hampering Fog's development. Wrong. Fogarty is younger and faster and should be presenting and getting to contests in front of Tex. If he's not doing that then it's his fault, not Tex's. Look at the Collingwood game where Fogarty dropped a couple of very easy catches. Is that Tex's fault too? If Fog is not leading to dangerous spots then again it's on him, not Tex. You could also make the argument (which I agree with) that it's actually the delivery into the forward line that is the real problem, but once again that is not Tex's fault.
#5: Tex's inclusion is holding other people back. Like who, exactly? Frampton? Nobody else has been beating down the door to get in. Himmelberg had a good couple of games lately and I really hope he blossoms with the additional game time but before that he didn't look like he was going to be anything. And before you start, I have always posted the opinion that I think young kids, especially the high draft picks, should be given extra time and exposure at AFL level in order to see what they really have(just like the NBA or NFL where a high draft pick almost always plays extensively before being declared a bust).
#6: It somehow hurts the club to get Tex to 200 games. Really? In a compromised season where we are rebuilding and have no hope of winning the Grand Final? Really? Notwithstanding all my arguments above, showing that we actually care about our players and want them to achieve milestones actually does the opposite - within reason. Gifting Tex a game in a Grand Final above a much better player would be wrong I think we can all agree. But showing that we care about him and want him to make sure we take care of our guys is not a problem in my opinion, especially given the circumstances. Tex is a club great who bleeds for us. He deserves 200, especially since he actually still is contributing in a meaningful way. If you don't think so, then think about his contribution after Walsh died.
I'm not saying Tex is setting the world on fire at this late stage of his career, but please people, have some perpective. The season is a joke, we are blooding youngsters at a very good rate. We are potentially seeing the emergence of some (hopefully) future stars like Himmelberg, Hammil, Fog, Schoenberg, etc. What more do you want? Nicks is doing a decent job. He's figuring out what he has as a team. You see him doing all kinds of new things like Laird to the midfield, Smith to the midfield, McAsey being played back and forward. All of these things are what you all have been crying out for for years. Now that you're getting it you're complaining? I don't understand it.
What is valid, IMHO, is the off-field issues with our board and coaches. But again, that is NOT Tex's fault.
#1: This season is a joke and we are rebuilding. Watch the games, players are not playing 100%, all of them know this is a write-off. We are swapping people around like crazy because there are so many games crammed into such a small timeframe. Who cares if Tex gets the benefit of the doubt to play in this context? It literally does not harm us at all.
#2: Tex is cooked. Firstly, I don't necessarily agree. Yes, he is not the mighty 24-year-old, Carey-mark-II that we saw back then, but the guy is still an incredibly smart football player, much like Podsiadly, and he has a lot of leadership and experience to share with guys like Himmelberg and Fog.
#3: We are already playing a ton of young kids who NEED experience and leadership out there. This is why I don't really mind playing DMac from time to time either. DMac, for all his flaws, at least shows hardness and endeavor and shows the youngsters what the standard is.
#4: Tex is hampering Fog's development. Wrong. Fogarty is younger and faster and should be presenting and getting to contests in front of Tex. If he's not doing that then it's his fault, not Tex's. Look at the Collingwood game where Fogarty dropped a couple of very easy catches. Is that Tex's fault too? If Fog is not leading to dangerous spots then again it's on him, not Tex. You could also make the argument (which I agree with) that it's actually the delivery into the forward line that is the real problem, but once again that is not Tex's fault.
#5: Tex's inclusion is holding other people back. Like who, exactly? Frampton? Nobody else has been beating down the door to get in. Himmelberg had a good couple of games lately and I really hope he blossoms with the additional game time but before that he didn't look like he was going to be anything. And before you start, I have always posted the opinion that I think young kids, especially the high draft picks, should be given extra time and exposure at AFL level in order to see what they really have(just like the NBA or NFL where a high draft pick almost always plays extensively before being declared a bust).
#6: It somehow hurts the club to get Tex to 200 games. Really? In a compromised season where we are rebuilding and have no hope of winning the Grand Final? Really? Notwithstanding all my arguments above, showing that we actually care about our players and want them to achieve milestones actually does the opposite - within reason. Gifting Tex a game in a Grand Final above a much better player would be wrong I think we can all agree. But showing that we care about him and want him to make sure we take care of our guys is not a problem in my opinion, especially given the circumstances. Tex is a club great who bleeds for us. He deserves 200, especially since he actually still is contributing in a meaningful way. If you don't think so, then think about his contribution after Walsh died.
I'm not saying Tex is setting the world on fire at this late stage of his career, but please people, have some perpective. The season is a joke, we are blooding youngsters at a very good rate. We are potentially seeing the emergence of some (hopefully) future stars like Himmelberg, Hammil, Fog, Schoenberg, etc. What more do you want? Nicks is doing a decent job. He's figuring out what he has as a team. You see him doing all kinds of new things like Laird to the midfield, Smith to the midfield, McAsey being played back and forward. All of these things are what you all have been crying out for for years. Now that you're getting it you're complaining? I don't understand it.
What is valid, IMHO, is the off-field issues with our board and coaches. But again, that is NOT Tex's fault.
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It is if the players have felt he has supported the Board more so than the players. Captains have to be able to do both but is really there to lead the players and represent them. His relationship with Roo was a problem.
Even if you don't believe that was the case, I feel now Tex has too much history with the off-field issues and the club can't move on with him around. I don't blame him and I didn't blame Pyke either but sometimes you just need a fresh start. Jacobs, Betts and Jenkins had to go for the same reason. I think Lynch and Tex are also in that category.
And Sloane.
Vooligan
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C’mon Tex, backed you since day one, but make the call - 200 and out - next Sunday at Adelaide Oval.
dogs105
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And kick 8 to beat the cats.
not happening.
Tex had 3 touches to half time. With 2 minutes to go in the last, he had 4. Ended up with 6. His experience must be awesome value.
Imagine the message we could send by dropping Tex this week, ex club captain on the eve of his 200th, no ones form is above being dropped.
But we won’t, he’ll play, get 5 touch’s, zero influence on the game, chaired off after a 10 goal loss.
But we won’t, he’ll play, get 5 touch’s, zero influence on the game, chaired off after a 10 goal loss.
So you've moved beyond experience and direction to he's just as bad as everyone else and blaming upfield. At least the rest of the forward group do something when the ball is on the ground.
