Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry CANCELLED!

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[passball]

Now these are 2 new references. Pray tell who?

I thought I was I was referred to as dumbest but yes I'll take any

 

[passball]

Imagine putting the furniture there after he (allegedly) fell.

They’re not that stupid.

The furniture was always there. If they were smart, they would have moved the furniture inside.

I meant brought it out for the Police to sit on

 

[passball]

46ish when going thru accreditation which required trial day/overnight stays by various foster children.

I thought she was older

 

[Wallace52]

I’m just wondering.. around the urgency of the FF needing to have his script filled “they just help me, um, relax”….. Maybe the FF was getting a script filled that day for William. Like, maybe they were giving W some of the FF meds.

 

[Wallace52]

I imagine that as it gets darker and your foster kids bedtime passes and he hasn’t been found yet, that you could quite easily experience a panic attack.

Maybe he saw a ghost.

 

[Wallace52]

I thought she was older

Nah, sounds about right.

 

[Wallace52]

I thought she was older

DOB 23/7/1965 so she’s 59 now and was 49 when William disappeared.

 

[Underarrest_]

They would have to let them know who wasn't allowed to pick them up wouldn't they?

Yes children in care are enrolled In school under the minister of the state as their legal guardian. This includes authorisation for pickups, who can attend the school and the child’s participation in activities/excursions.

 

[CodyRose]

Yes, but FM made a point of saying that it was a rare treat. This is what made me think they might have been monitoring his diet. I wonder if the Maccas might have made WT more than usually active, "jumping out of his skull" as FGM said.

Yes I was wondering if he was on a low sugar diet in an attempt to reduce his over activity. That might also explain him being thinner.

 

[Underarrest_]

I’m just wondering.. around the urgency of the FF needing to have his script filled “they just help me, um, relax”….. Maybe the FF was getting a script filled that day for William. Like, maybe they were giving W some of the FF meds.

Possible,
and could do a bit of chemist hopping back then.
One of the photos shown on the police board doesn’t seem right.

 

[Wallace52]

Possible,
and could do a bit of chemist hopping back then.

It was before some of their real time reporting systems came in that made it more difficult for problematic prescription drug users to shop around.

Also, I think for example drugs like Mersyndol were available over the counter in 2014 without one having to give one’s name.

““Real Time Prescription Monitoring (RTPM) is a computer system that aims to reduce misuse of controlled medicines in Australia. It will alert prescribers and pharmacists to a patient’s medication history before they write or dispense prescriptions for a controlled medicine.” According to health.gov.au the system was introduced to limit levels of overdose and accidental death from over-prescribing.

In NSW, there is an electronic reporting system with the capability to enable real-time prescription monitoring for Schedule 8 drugs, but there is no mandatory real-time prescription system in place yet, at the time of writing this article. The Electronic Recording and Reporting of Controlled Drugs (ERRCD) is used to record authorisations to prescribe as part of the NSW Opioid Treatment Program. It also records client admissions to and exits from treatment, the details of prescribers and dosing points.”

Guide to Real Time Prescription Monitoring | MIPS

Discover how Real Time Prescription Monitoring (RTPM) works across Australia, aiding healthcare professionals in patient medication management.

support.mips.com.au

One of the photos shown on the police board doesn’t seem right.

Which one?

 

[shorsky]

Ah the postie!
Jubelin established the postie was there at 8:45?
So, did she deliver to FGM, Crabbs, Millers, Savage or AMS (sorry CBF typing the whole thing)?
Did she see any cars parked on Benaroon?
Did she see any kids riding bikes at FGMs?
Any vehicles in FGM driveway?
Anyone else on the street at all?

Why are the answers to these questions not in the public domain? They don't impinge on anyone's privacy.

Best we add the CBF to the sticky

 

[shorsky]

I think you mean the Tennis court Cctv was around 8:49. And now the CCTV might have been even slower so could be even later.

At 8:45 FM alleges they are having breakfast. All the family. The FGM as well. (In the FGM walkthrough FGM is not there having breakfast until around 9:00 and the FF has left, but FGM walkthrough is not worth even mentioning in trying to make timeline). But needless to say, there is no proof what time they had breakfast, or if FF had coffee and toast.

The postie in Benaroon drive, if at 8:45 must be close to the alleged departure of the FF.
Sounds like she has been questioned over this. And we have not heard any evidence that she saw any car leaving FGM's house. So FF could have left after the postie was there. FF does not say he saw any cars in the street when he left. (that i am aware of). What would be of interest is if the postie said she saw any cars in the driveway of FGM's. But having no memory of a car would not prove anything.

Whoops - my apologies everyone & thanks for the pickup LRitz. Absolutely it was mean to say 8.40 am ( becoming 8.49 am )

 

[Wallace52]

So if there is a niece, there is an extended family. Niece as in FGM's daughter's daughter? Or did FGM have a son, and a DIL, who had adult children? And did they live in northern NSW?

The niece who had the car is FM brother’s daughter IIRC.

 

[passball]

William's weight doesn't bother me.
If he has energy he's fine.
I suppose you could have asked the childcare centre if he seemed lethargic, and ask about his eating habits while he was there.

If he was prescribed something you could ask his GP or paediatrician.

I don't think the police would ask these questions anyway.

Be hard to work out the dosage for a little kid if they were giving him FFs meds, not that they would even be recommended for a 3 year old.

Were the anxiety tablets the only script he got filled?

Were there any meds lying around when the police turned up?
Or kids medicine anywhere?

 

[Wallace52]

William's weight doesn't bother me.
If he has energy he's fine.
I suppose you could have asked the childcare centre if he seemed lethargic, and ask about his eating habits while he was there.

If he was prescribed something you could ask his GP or paediatrician.

I don't think the police would ask these questions anyway.

Be hard to work out the dosage for a little kid if they were giving him FFs meds, not that they would even be recommended for a 3 year old.

Were the anxiety tablets the only script he got filled?

Were there any meds lying around when the police turned up?
Or kids medicine anywhere?

All good question for Counsel Assisting the Deputy Coroner to ask if and when they ever put the FM on the stand at the inquest again.

 

[passball]

Maybe 'this is where it happened' should have been
"this is where it didn't happen'
Was she trying to ignore the high verandah?

Believe nothing.

 

[shorsky]

A whole new floor and covered lots of the floors downstairs in lovely marble.

Marble ! No wonder they tried to get the sale price jacked up with a few fraudulent bids !

 

[Underarrest_]

It was before some of their real time reporting systems came in that made it more difficult for problematic prescription drug users to shop around.

Also, I think for example drugs like Mersyndol were available over the counter in 2014 without one having to give one’s name.

““Real Time Prescription Monitoring (RTPM) is a computer system that aims to reduce misuse of controlled medicines in Australia. It will alert prescribers and pharmacists to a patient’s medication history before they write or dispense prescriptions for a controlled medicine.” According to health.gov.au the system was introduced to limit levels of overdose and accidental death from over-prescribing.

In NSW, there is an electronic reporting system with the capability to enable real-time prescription monitoring for Schedule 8 drugs, but there is no mandatory real-time prescription system in place yet, at the time of writing this article. The Electronic Recording and Reporting of Controlled Drugs (ERRCD) is used to record authorisations to prescribe as part of the NSW Opioid Treatment Program. It also records client admissions to and exits from treatment, the details of prescribers and dosing points.”

Guide to Real Time Prescription Monitoring | MIPS

Discover how Real Time Prescription Monitoring (RTPM) works across Australia, aiding healthcare professionals in patient medication management.

support.mips.com.au

Which one?

On the right of the board, he has a red shirt on.

 

[shorsky]

You sure that Kew time was 9.00?

Ray Hadley: Desperate search for missing boy

Superintendent Paul Fehon, gives an update on the search for three-year-old William Tyrell,…

www.2gb.com

 

[Poppy Penny]

One of the photos shown on the police board doesn’t seem right.

Yes there was one photo that always bothered me too. Of all the beautiful photos of William to use, I never understood the reason to use that particular one.

 

[shorsky]

It looks pretty sturdy. Probably more chance of going over it.

But he didn’t like heights. He wouldn’t let FM hold him in the tree, according to her ‘too high mummy’.

I wonder if she was holding him, standing on the railing, and he slipped and fell.

But they ripped the place up and supposedly found no evidence of him having fallen from the verandah - I guess he could fall, break his neck etc, but leave no blood or traces or ripped clothes etc.

I’d really like to know if the tracker dogs found his scent around the yard & on the driveway.

 

[shorsky]

This is getting tiresome. Who is GO?

Please go back and edit your posts to reflect the full name or surname of GO.

Geoff Owen

 

[shorsky]

How convenient that they "can't comment while the coroner is investigating" . No accountability.
These government agencies all protect each other's arses. By the time an inquest is held, all the 'responsible' people have moved on, been promoted, or retired on a fat pension and super policy.
"We are saddened" ... but nothing ever changes.

Don’t get me started on the layers of fat cat bureaucracy that populate Government Departments, while those people who actually care about doing the Job are so under the pump that they can barely function - all at the expense of the every day Aussie who are at the mercy of these departments.
One of th first things that needs to be done is a thorough Clean-Out, imo.

* obviously for those people here who are employed by the Government and who do Work, this rant doesn’t apply to you. Nothing in life is One Size Fits All.

 

[js47]

I’m just wondering.. around the urgency of the FF needing to have his script filled “they just help me, um, relax”….. Maybe the FF was getting a script filled that day for William. Like, maybe they were giving W some of the FF meds.

Just heard prime morning show common sedative Phenergan given to children as a sedative can cause hallucinations and intellectual delay.