Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry CANCELLED!

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Awakening]

Is this first hand knowledge or opinion?

I did a search last week for a missing teen and we were told to look for evidence of a fire, a tarp or remains of tarp as they believed he was camping out (turns out he wasn’t, and not even in our area and was found safely).

My husbands in the coast guard and a neighbour is a firefighter and it’s pretty standard to flag articles of clothing, shoes, food rubbish etc.

I can’t say for certain this is what happened in 2014 though.

 

[Longmembrey]

Bombshell documents lift lid on William Tyrrell mystery

Explosive new documents from the William Tyrrell case reveal details about the toddler's life with his foster family, his violent behaviour and an accident days before he vanished.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This is an article which discusses some of WTs behaviors, the relationship with FM and the relationship with FD. " Furious" with FD..Seemingly low to non existent impulse control which is very characteristic of children from DV environments. Furiousness that probably stems from an inability to dominate his older stronger sibling. Coincidentally testosterone at age 3-4 is the highest level it will ever be for a male

An accident that happened several days beforehand which instead may have been demonstrative of the sibling relationship and self defence.

Not sure where you are getting that testosterone stat from, but intuitively, it cannot be right?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Not sure where you are getting that testosterone stat from, but intuitively, it cannot be right?

I'm working from historical knowledge. You start high reach a peak at 3-4 then the rest of your life you decline

 

[31550]

I'm working from historical knowledge. You start high reach a peak at 3-4 then the rest of your life you decline

I think you will find testosterone levels in toddler boys are only a few ng/dl, whereas in adolescents/teens they are about a hundred times higher. So, no they don't decline after 3-4 years of age, and are relatively insignificant at that age.
If you have some evidence for your 'historical knowledge', then I'd like to see it.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I think you will find testosterone levels in toddler boys are only a few ng/dl, whereas in adolescents/teens they are about a hundred times higher. So, no they don't decline after 3-4 years of age, and are relatively insignificant at that age.
If you have some evidence for your 'historical knowledge', then I'd like to see it.

I've no intention looking something up again just to satisfy you. if you don't believe me I couldn't give a crap. I'm not your personal errand boy

 

[31550]

I've no intention looking something up again just to satisfy you. if you don't believe me I couldn't give a crap. I'm not your personal errand boy

No you are not, and I am thankful for that. You continually post 'facts' which are palpably false, so a senior role such as 'errand-boy' would seem to be beyond your mental capacity.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

No you are not, and I am thankful for that. You continually post 'facts' which are palpably false, so a senior role such as 'errand-boy' would seem to be beyond your mental capacity.

I've asked you nicely to not reply to me and you still disrespect me by ignoring my request. You might think I'm wrong or that what I quote is wrong. I don't care. Most things in this case aren't proven facts so your comment that they are and somehow marry to your assessment to exclusion of all others making mine then wrong is plain ignorance. Newsflash.....you aren't the arbiter of right or wrong. Not even close

 

[31550]

I've asked you nicely to not reply to me and you still disrespect me by ignoring my request. You might think I'm wrong or that what I quote is wrong. I don't care. Most things in this case aren't proven facts so your comment that they are and somehow marry to your assessment to exclusion of all others making mine then wrong is plain ignorance. Newsflash.....you aren't the arbiter of right or wrong. Not even close

It seems you don't understand how a discussion forum works.
Post an opinion, support it with evidence, and be prepared to debate it.
Post something patently false, expect to be corrected.

If you would like to be ignored, don't post here. Read the following to correct your 'historical knowledge'. Testosterone spurts in toddlers are an urban myth. Adolescents have far higher testosterone levels than toddlers.

Normal Testosterone Levels by Age - Baptist Health

Testosterone is a hormone produced by both men and women. It plays a particularly important role in men, where it promotes muscle mass...

www.baptisthealth.com

Health Check: do boys really have a testosterone spurt at age four?

Some parents think their four-year-old boy’s emotional outbursts and aggressive behaviour can be blamed on their hormones. Here’s why that’s a myth.

theconversation.com

 

[Angry Red Bull]

It seems you don't understand how a discussion forum works.
Post an opinion, support it with evidence, and be prepared to debate it.
Post something patently false, expect to be corrected.

If you would like to be ignored, don't post here. Read the following to correct your 'historical knowledge'. Testosterone spurts in toddlers are an urban myth. Adolescents have far higher testosterone levels than toddlers.

Normal Testosterone Levels by Age - Baptist Health

Testosterone is a hormone produced by both men and women. It plays a particularly important role in men, where it promotes muscle mass...

www.baptisthealth.com

Health Check: do boys really have a testosterone spurt at age four?

Some parents think their four-year-old boy’s emotional outbursts and aggressive behaviour can be blamed on their hormones. Here’s why that’s a myth.

theconversation.com

A male baby weighs about 2.5kg and has similar testosterone levels at birth to that of an adult at 25. So proportionally infant males have the highest levels proportionally to weight size they will ever have..I understand it peaks at 3-4 and reaches another peak at 13. I knew this because I had a conversation with a psychologist professor out of interest when I mentioned my son was an utter nightmare behaviour at that age. That's how she explained it.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

It seems you don't understand how a discussion forum works.
Post an opinion, support it with evidence, and be prepared to debate it.
Post something patently false, expect to be corrected.

If you would like to be ignored, don't post here. Read the following to correct your 'historical knowledge'. Testosterone spurts in toddlers are an urban myth. Adolescents have far higher testosterone levels than toddlers.

Normal Testosterone Levels by Age - Baptist Health

Testosterone is a hormone produced by both men and women. It plays a particularly important role in men, where it promotes muscle mass...

www.baptisthealth.com

Health Check: do boys really have a testosterone spurt at age four?

Some parents think their four-year-old boy’s emotional outbursts and aggressive behaviour can be blamed on their hormones. Here’s why that’s a myth.

theconversation.com

For about 18 mths you 'controlled' the whole narrative on this thread regarding the possibility of an earlier timeline. Saying it wasn't possible at all. I now find that EXIF data could be easily changed. The question was raised that independent proof of life for WT existed for the later timeline being PS testimony on hearing the children play. You knew he had altered his testimony to say he didn't hear the children at inquest. Did you volunteer that FACT? No. You intentionally allowed an incorrect FACT to stand. Why? Because it supported your hypothesis. To the detriment of the thread..That's what you always do You seek to censor any opposing views/ opinions to only leave yours standing because that's the only thing you are interested in. Not solving the case

The likelihood that FM hopped in the car AFTER the police call is totally fantasy land stuff. Neighbours everywhere. FF home and searching too. Police minutes away from arrival and would possibly even pass FM in the FGM car and YOU conceive that is when she took her drive??? Really??? And remain undetected? That opinion is almost to point of absurdity. And when I suggested FF may have taken WT away early before 8 you attacked it saying his car would have been seen. Yet now when ALL the neighbours are running around in the street, with FF and police on the way you think it's possible she left in the car after the police call at 10.56 and didn't get seen. You don't see the anomaly? Of course not because you are subject of confirmation bias wanting to believe what you choose however illogical

I have no problems in accepting any reasonable opinion or hypothesis. I don't listen to you because I realize you aren't about solving the case as much as challenging anything that is a contrary opinion whether or not it has merit.

Classic example of that is FGM evidence. She says he left at 8 to go to chemist. Tells him the night before chemist opens at 9 yet you see no problem with that apart from age based confusion..There are so many red flags of deception In that walk through it is a screaming neon sign for criminality yet to you it's to be ignored

The issue about WT was whether testosterone affected his behaviour so as to bring about conflict with FD to mount an argument for siblicide. That IS the context. He was a child of DV environment, known to be difficult, repeated mentions of behavioural problems yet you the issue that in your opinion I quoted an incorrect FACT about his testosterone levels having an impact. So you were purposefully point scoring or attempting to knowing already that WT was known to problematic. Why? Because that's what you do. You bully people to attempt to diminish their opinion and in this case WE ALREADY KNEW HE HAD THAT BEHAVIOUR IRRESPECTIVE OF THE QUESTION OF TESTOSTERONE!!!!!

So you challenge to push down and diminish opinion to undermine other opinions for that sake alone. Yeah got that very early

I'm not going to change my approach or my posting in here. If you don't like it that's merely an additional positive

 

[31550]

For about 18 mths you 'controlled' the whole narrative on this thread regarding the possibility of an earlier timeline. Saying it wasn't possible at all. I now find that EXIF data could be easily changed. The question was raised that independent proof of life for WT existed for the later timeline being PS testimony on hearing the children play. You knew he had altered his testimony to say he didn't hear the children at inquest. Did you volunteer that FACT? No. You intentionally allowed an incorrect FACT to stand. Why? Because it supported your hypothesis. To the detriment of the thread..That's what you always do You seek to censor any opposing views/ opinions to only leave yours standing because that's the only thing you are interested in. Not solving the case

The likelihood that FM hopped in the car AFTER the police call is totally fantasy land stuff. Neighbours everywhere. FF home and searching too. Police minutes away from arrival and would possibly even pass FM in the FGM car and YOU conceive that is when she took her drive??? Really??? And remain undetected? That opinion is almost to point of absurdity.

I have no problems in accepting any reasonable opinion or hypothesis. I don't listen to you because I realize you aren't about solving the case as much as challenging anything that is a contrary opinion whether or not it has merit.
Classic example of that is FGM evidence. She says he left at 8. Tells him the night before chemist opens at 9 yet you see no problem with that apart from age based confusion..There are so many red flags of deception In that walk through it is a screaming neon sign for criminality yet to you it's to be ignored

Again you are totally incorrect. I don't control anything. You are misquoting and misrepresenting what I have said. I have always said we don't know exactly when the FM took her drive, or even if it happened at all because it simply does not fit any conceivable timeline.

It was 'too early' to take a drive 'looking for William' before 10am. If it was before 10am how could he get that far? If the drive was after 10am then there was not enough time to search the house first, then complete the drive and return by 10:30. And makes no sense to not inform FGM and LT. And then it makes no sense for her to take the drive after 10:30 when FF returned home - she was supposedly in the street, talking to neighbours and then phoning 000. So, that only leaves after 11am, or not at all. Since there were no know witnesses to the drive, we don't know when or if it happened.

FGM testimony is all over the place as you point out. How many for breakfast? 3 or 4? Yet, you take her saying 'FF left at 8' as gospel without questioning it? Yet CCTV evidence shows he left around 8:50. Pot, kettle, black.


You think my suggestions are 'fantasy stuff', yet you haven't put up one theory which is consistent with the known undisputed facts, other than some sort of massive conspiracy which involves expert manipulation of EXIF data on multiple photographs, and coercing or convincing two innocent witnesses, one an elderly woman, and one a young child, and moving and hiding a body in broad daylight under the eyes of hundreds of searchers and onlookers, a plot so cunning that it avoids detection by experts for 9 years.

 

[shorsky]

Yes exactly. And that is exactly how witness statement lies show through. You inadvertently let slip the truth as one example. That combined with her fixation of FF not being there and with legitimate reason before 8 makes me genuinely concerned it was 3 with WT and FF gone

The only sound FGM reported hearing from her room that morning was FF presumably getting his coffee / breakfast.

How did she not hear the children? FF said they were awake. William had to get rid of his wet nappy before watching stuff on his phone, I think he said L also came into his bed to watch ( or did I dream that ?) I guess FM was enjoying a quiet lie in, which I can understand.

I wonder was FF questioned about how they watched on the Mobile when coverage was so bad; or maybe it was good enough for this / didn't matter if there were drop-outs when kids watching; or maybe he had stuff previously downloaded. Either way, I would hope the question was asked.

So what were the children doing while FF was getting his coffee / breakfast ? Maybe they were in with FM, and very quietly getting dressed.

Who cooked the reported breakfast of scrambled eggs, toast, orange juice ( was weetbix mentioned at some stage) and when did this ‘cooking’ start ?

FGM said she washed up after - did FGM join in breakfast OR did she come out of her room after FM supposedly took the children outside. So FGM went about cleaning up the kitchen.

What was L doing when FM was reportedly putting William up the tree & he was saying it was ‘too high Mummy’ ?
And how did FM hurt her hand ?

The bike riding must’ve been after this as I’m sure it was said that FGM was watching them ride the bikes, However FGM didn’t mention that. She said they went out on the deck ‘that's where it all happened’. What happened ?

Did she join them there after she finished the washing up, or did she go out to the deck & they join her there later.

So many question, so many that the Police didn’t bother to hone in on imo.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The only sound FGM reported hearing from her room that morning was FF presumably getting his coffee / breakfast.

How did she not hear the children? FF said they were awake. William had to get rid of his wet nappy before watching stuff on his phone, I think he said L also came into his bed to watch ( or did I dream that ?) I guess FM was enjoying a quiet lie in, which I can understand.

I wonder was FF questioned about how they watched on the Mobile when coverage was so bad; or maybe it was good enough for this / didn't matter if there were drop-outs when kids watching; or maybe he had stuff previously downloaded. Either way, I would hope the question was asked.

So what were the children doing while FF was getting his coffee / breakfast ? Maybe they were in with FM, and very quietly getting dressed.

Who cooked the reported breakfast of scrambled eggs, toast, orange juice ( was weetbix mentioned at some stage) and when did this ‘cooking’ start ?

FGM said she washed up after - did FGM join in breakfast OR did she come out of her room after FM supposedly took the children outside. So FGM went about cleaning up the kitchen.

What was L doing when FM was reportedly putting William up the tree & he was saying it was ‘too high Mummy’ ?
And how did FM hurt her hand ?

The bike riding must’ve been after this as I’m sure it was said that FGM was watching them ride the bikes, However FGM didn’t mention that. She said they went out on the deck ‘that's where it all happened’. What happened ?

Did she join them there after she finished the washing up, or did she go out to the deck & they join her there later.

So many question, so many that the Police didn’t bother to hone in on imo.

I now believe that the FGM time difference was something the fosters told her to say because if she admitted she was up at the same time she becomes an accomplice to the incident. They were trying to protect her by having her say she wasn't even up when he left before 8..the problem is it created a massive time problem for her. She told FF the night before that chemist opened at 9 but told the police he left before 8 to go to chemist..that's a lie about whereabouts of FF.

And the other thing it does is give further deceitful credence to the later timeline because "she wasn't even up at 7.39" instead what it does is makes me believe even more that the lies they told conceal that timeline for an obvious reason


All the questions you raise are excellent questions. I think FGM walk through is is the doorway to solving this crime. She was a poor liar imo

 

[shorsky]

Yes FF said this as he described his search for William. Maybe also additional unrequested information possibly to make us believe he was searching intensely, or possibly to reinforce the notion that William was wearing shoes. But also indicates FF was of the belief at this stage that William was 'lost' rather than abducted. Or maybe he believed that the shoes were prone to falling off? Or was he setting up a scenario in case one or more shoes were found nearby later?

I’m intrigued that the focus now is on FM ’involvement’ ( not FF ). Initially Police / Gary Jubelin ruled out any involvement by the foster parents!
I wonder was that ‘fact’, or was it a ‘ploy’.
I wonder is it a ploy now to only focus on FM. Do they think if they succeed in getting a serious charge against her, that he might roll over about something ? I think she’s the strong one, so they may think a charge against him would not shake her.

Its such a truely awful thought that those in a position of ‘care, protect & nurture’ can turn out to be abusers ( we’ve seen it before, immediately to mind in a Foster situation is Tiahleigh Palmer.)

I wish I could come up with an alternative that’s plausible.

 

[shorsky]

What you are suggesting is possible. We don't know.
But it's also possible that police searchers were told what William was wearing - a Spiderman suit and sandals. Then, looking at the rough terrain and poor weather conditions, made a reasonable inference that a lost 3YO might have difficulty navigating this rough and slippery terrain in open sandals, and might stumble and lose a sandal, or might rip his flimsy Spiderman suit on the spiky lantana bushes or barb-wire fences. In an effort to find him as quickly as possible, searchers were told to be on the lookout (on the ground as well as in their eyeline), for items such as blue/red material or threads, or even a lost sandal, as this may lead to finding William, who by this time, may have fallen, passed out from exhaustion or injured himself. Items such as material and sandals would help locate a missing and possibly injured 3YO more quickly. Reasonable?

yes, very reasonable.

and it was a lady searcher who spoke about all the rain so potentially a muddy child with missing sandals.

however, I don’t believe that William wandered off under his own steam, and got lost / fell down a rabbit hole etc. A picture was painted of a timid boy who would not venture away, so the huge focus on him doing just that thing seems strange to me. I think eventually there were some road blocks - I’m unsure of the timeframes, and there seems no concrete information to investigate from them. Talk of a ‘large blond lady’ - was she identified.

 

[shorsky]

I've no intention looking something up again just to satisfy you. if you don't believe me I couldn't give a crap. I'm not your personal errand boy

OMG! Can we please be civil & respectfu.

here’s a quick article ‘https://theconversation.com/health-check-do-boys-really-have-a-testosterone-spurt-at-age-four-82587’

 

[shorsky]

I now believe that the FGM time difference was something the fosters told her to say because if she admitted she was up at the same time she becomes an accomplice to the incident. They were trying to protect her by having her say she wasn't even up when he left before 8..the problem is it created a massive time problem for her. She told FF the night before that chemist opened at 9 but told the police he left before 8 to go to chemist..that's a lie about whereabouts of FF.

All the questions you raise are excellent questions. I think FGM walk through is is the doorway to solving this crime. She was a poor liar imo

Yes, and imo it was very unfair of them to put her in such a position - perhaps more likely so they could focus on their alibi, and not have to account for FGM. ( I saw nothing, I heard nothing, I say nothing)

Which brings us all back to the flipping photos! Fosters insist the photos were taken around 9.37 am (way after FF left, either before 8am or before 9am)

Could he have come back by 9.37 am - left again after (with William), went ??, then to pharmacy & paper shop and was back by 10.30am ready for all the kerfuffle.

WHY did they need to mention the photos ? Oh proof he was there & proof he was with the family ( except FF who was busy with his documented business call) & proof he was wearing Spider-Man outfit.

Why all the focus on his sandals ? I don’t think she insisted on the 000 call that he had sandals on did she ? And even if she said he was wearing sandals, isn’t it easy enough to alert the first responding officer that ’ I found his sandals by the door, so he’s actually barefoot’.

I think ‘Barefoot’ may‘ve been easier to track / the dogs to pick scent etc - but then reading that there was so much rain that it’d be ‘mud’ - gosh, tracking a small foot should’ve been made simpler.
Wasn’t there an aboriginal tracker amongst the searchers ? If bonafide, and if William went into that area, there’s no way he wouldn’t have been picked up. My dear departed father learnt to ‘track‘ ( animal or human) from aboriginal colleagues on the land, and developed a reputation for his skill. I clearly remember him tracking my dementia impacted great uncle & finding him in 6000 acres, not to mention the dingo drives etc.

Its for all these reasons that I don’t believe that he wandered off. .. and maybe fosters realised similar, so then came up with the abduction idea.

Personally I’d like to know a whole lot my about FGMs friend, the Pilot, and his whereabouts at that time.
Would also be interested in weather & wind patterns at that time.
Anyone with knowledge of the region aware if a light plane could be landed anyway nearby ? Anyone with a private strip, a club with a strip etc ?

 

[Kurve]

No idea if there's any truth to this, I did have the sisters name at one point but I don't recall what it is now. It might be interesting or a coincidence that the possibility the sister may know something was raised in this thread as a bit of a guess, a couple of months ago.

From one of the facebook groups, posted a couple of days ago.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I’m intrigued that the focus now is on FM ’involvement’ ( not FF ). Initially Police / Gary Jubelin ruled out any involvement by the foster parents!
I wonder was that ‘fact’, or was it a ‘ploy’.
I wonder is it a ploy now to only focus on FM. Do they think if they succeed in getting a serious charge against her, that he might roll over about something ? I think she’s the strong one, so they may think a charge against him would not shake her.

Its such a truely awful thought that those in a position of ‘care, protect & nurture’ can turn out to be abusers ( we’ve seen it before, immediately to mind in a Foster situation is Tiahleigh Palmer.)

I wish I could come up with an alternative that’s plausible.

I had thought the same thing. Police had to focus on FM because FF alibi was so tight it would be impossible to break. But there remains the obvious time problem with FGM 8am v 9am chemist remarks. Either:

* They have evidence that concludes 9.37 is right and I'm off the reservation ; Or

* They've always known the timeline was a problem and decided to focus on FM because she was the obvious place to drive a wedge.

My 'evidence' for the latter is that the full police version of FGM walk through is available on the predecessor thread here. How did ANYONE come to have that video? It even says it's the police version. I think they released it intentionally to have sleuths focus on the lies and the information be out there to say to Fosters we know WHEN it happened (the earlier time); we know where ( off the verandah); we know why (siblicide). That is one explanation for these remarks.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

OMG! Can we please be civil & respectfu.

here’s a quick article ‘https://theconversation.com/health-check-do-boys-really-have-a-testosterone-spurt-at-age-four-82587’

Pretty much always civil and respectful. It was something to do with the remark/ personal insult about having the impaired intellect of an errand boy that kind of motivated the response. Pretty childish, but I'll always play the cards im dealt by those others.

Also not hypersensitive to being told I'm wrong. Why would I? I haven't got a mortgage on being right. But get a little annoyed being told I'm an idiot

 

[31550]

No idea if there's any truth to this, I did have the sisters name at one point but I don't recall what it is now. It might be interesting or a coincidence that the possibility the sister may know something was raised in this thread as a bit of a guess, a couple of months ago.

From one of the facebook groups, posted a couple of days ago.

View attachment 1864862

I often wonder about FMs family too. I believe she had brothers living in or near Kendall as well? We have never heard from them either.
And what about friends? Professional acquaintances? People they went to school with?
Nobody from their circle of friends or family seems to have emerged in social or mainstream media to provide a commentary or insight into what is going on on the 'inside'. (Other than the PR ladies, 'Where's William', and the exclusive 'Team Foster' Facebook group).

Is it because of the tight controls on suppressing their identities? Threats of legal action? Or does nobody know anything? Or are they all accomplices to something sinister? Or are they all really tight-knit close friends? Or don't they have any friends?

They have done an incredible job to remain out of the public eye for so long. I find it hard to believe this is only because of William's foster status. After this long, does that really matter now? William's sister will be an adult soon. Will the veil of secrecy be removed then?

I am thinking about the lengths the FM went to to hide William's foster status - in Wendy Hudson's notes she mentions at least two occasions where FM contacted police about FGM, concerned that FGM was going around 'telling everyone William was a foster child'. Why did it matter so much to her at that stage? Why wasn't she more concerned about William being found than hiding her own identity?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

No idea if there's any truth to this, I did have the sisters name at one point but I don't recall what it is now. It might be interesting or a coincidence that the possibility the sister may know something was raised in this thread as a bit of a guess, a couple of months ago.

From one of the facebook groups, posted a couple of days ago.

View attachment 1864862

Interesting. Am I correct in saying that confessions voluntarily made may be admissable?

We know the police theory on fall from balcony. I posted some links recently which intimated that such a fall may be unlikely to be fatal. Somewhat a surprise to me. Only like 2%

There is a great deal of FGM intentionally muddying waters around FF whereabouts and fact he left early. Is it possible that WT insisted to go with FF, was told no but ran to car and was struck by FF car trying to stop and/ or get in? The three major risks are always

• balcony fall
• drowning in water
• hit by own car

If it ran over him it much easier result in death. But Bloodless? Don't know.

You don't have a image of what was posted to lead them to believe knowledge of negligent accident?

Not monitoring a balcony is negligent in ways but running over a child with car is very clearly negligent

The driveway slopes toward the street. There is a massive blind spot where the pathway through the garden meets up with driveway. That is much lower lying. That is where WT would run from chasing FF. Because the drop away is large WT would go unsighted coming from there until he was upon the car. An accident could very easily happen there running toward the reversing car in driveway and FF would only realize at the instant of collision

But to then go on to meeting? Highly unlikely

But what about an early trip to buy paper? Then he stays until WT passes then hides. That might work and then be compatible with family posts of negligent death. Also compatible perhaps with FGM timeline lies

 

[LRitz]

Yes, and imo it was very unfair of them to put her in such a position - perhaps more likely so they could focus on their alibi, and not have to account for FGM. ( I saw nothing, I heard nothing, I say nothing)

Which brings us all back to the flipping photos! Fosters insist the photos were taken around 9.37 am (way after FF left, either before 8am or before 9am)

Could he have come back by 9.37 am - left again after (with William), went ??, then to pharmacy & paper shop and was back by 10.30am ready for all the kerfuffle.

WHY did they need to mention the photos ? Oh proof he was there & proof he was with the family ( except FF who was busy with his documented business call) & proof he was wearing Spider-Man outfit.

Why all the focus on his sandals ? I don’t think she insisted on the 000 call that he had sandals on did she ? And even if she said he was wearing sandals, isn’t it easy enough to alert the first responding officer that ’ I found his sandals by the door, so he’s actually barefoot’.

I think ‘Barefoot’ may‘ve been easier to track / the dogs to pick scent etc - but then reading that there was so much rain that it’d be ‘mud’ - gosh, tracking a small foot should’ve been made simpler.
Wasn’t there an aboriginal tracker amongst the searchers ? If bonafide, and if William went into that area, there’s no way he wouldn’t have been picked up. My dear departed father learnt to ‘track‘ ( animal or human) from aboriginal colleagues on the land, and developed a reputation for his skill. I clearly remember him tracking my dementia impacted great uncle & finding him in 6000 acres, not to mention the dingo drives etc.

Its for all these reasons that I don’t believe that he wandered off. .. and maybe fosters realised similar, so then came up with the abduction idea.

Personally I’d like to know a whole lot my about FGMs friend, the Pilot, and his whereabouts at that time.
Would also be interested in weather & wind patterns at that time.
Anyone with knowledge of the region aware if a light plane could be landed anyway nearby ? Anyone with a private strip, a club with a strip etc ?

Yes the time of the flipping foto. How convenient that work call was planned to start at 9:30, And 5 minutes later photo is taken that proves WT is alive and gives alibi for FF.
I Still think it was possible that photo was taken earlier. It would have taken some planning but could be done.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Yes the time of the flipping foto. How convenient that work call was planned to start at 9:30, And 5 minutes later photo is taken that proves WT is alive and gives alibi for FF.
I Still think it was possible that photo was taken earlier. It would have taken some planning but could be done.

From what I posted previously yes it's very possible. A computer search of key strokes may detect that something was done after the day but before camera handed in. But even then you could use a different computer. So it's not something that police could detect

 

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From what I posted previously yes it's very possible. A computer search of key strokes may detect that something was done after the day but before camera handed in. But even then you could use a different computer. So it's not something that police could detect

There was an office/study just inside the front door to the right iirc at Benaroon Drive, it's possible there was a desktop computer in there.