Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry CANCELLED!

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Kurve]

Can someone give me a 1 paragraph synopsis of what has happened who are the suspects?

NSW Police have sent a brief to the DPP and recommend charges against William's former foster mother of interfere with a corpse and pervert the course of justice. Also up for consideration is a manslaughter charge. We're waiting for the DPP decision.

The foster mother recently pleaded guilty to assault against William's sister. I'm not sure what the status of the stalking and intimidation charges is atm.

 

[Moonwatcher]

NSW Police have sent a brief to the DPP and recommend charges against William's former foster mother of interfere with a corpse and pervert the course of justice. Also up for consideration is a manslaughter charge. We're waiting for the DPP decision.

The foster mother recently pleaded guilty to assault against William's sister. I'm not sure what the status of the stalking and intimidation charges is atm.

Why would the foster mother hurt William?

 

[31550]

NSW Police have sent a brief to the DPP and recommend charges against William's former foster mother of interfere with a corpse and pervert the course of justice. Also up for consideration is a manslaughter charge. We're waiting for the DPP decision.

The foster mother recently pleaded guilty to assault against William's sister. I'm not sure what the status of the stalking and intimidation charges is atm.

I don't believe a brief of evidence has been submitted or even prepared for a manslaughter charge. There was a comment that police still considered it a 'possibility' is all.
Foster father due in court next week I think on charges not related to Williams disappearance.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The four for breakfast might refer to FM, FGM, WT, and sister, or the three might refer to FM FGM and sister, with FF and WT absent.

Yes exactly. And that is exactly how witness statement lies show through. You inadvertently let slip the truth as one example. That combined with her fixation of FF not being there and with legitimate reason before 8 makes me genuinely concerned it was 3 with WT and FF gone

 

[Angry Red Bull]

So if the earlier timeline did happen and WT was taken away early then why did FM make a trip to Cnr Cobb & Co and Batar Car Rd around 10.20?

I believe her trip was to discard something incriminating. Likely the dark pink blanket because it perhaps had blood spots on it when they put him on the bed to observe. There was no legitimate reason why FM would travel in a car 1.1 Klm looking for WT who can't possibility have gone that far on foot.

 

[31550]

So if the earlier timeline did happen and WT was taken away early then why did FM make a trip to Cnr Cobb & Co and Batar Car Rd around 10.20?

I believe her trip was to discard something incriminating. Likely the dark pink blanket because it perhaps had blood spots on it when they put him on the bed to observe. There was no legitimate reason why FM would travel in a car 1.1 Klm looking for WT who can't possibility have gone that far on foot.

How do we know FM made the trip at 10.20? In fact how do we know she made it at all? We only have her word for it, and you are suggesting her story is fabricated, so why believe this part? If there were any witnesses to her drive, why have we not heard about them, and why were they not called to the inquest to establish the time of the drive and exact route? There is simply not enough time to make this drive any later than 10:20 and be back at the house when FF arrives. And to leave any earlier than 10:20 makes no sense, as that would not allow any time to look for William on the property. This makes the drive itself suspicious.

If the drive was to conceal evidence, rather than look for William, then why would FM tell anyone about it? The drive was information that FM offered up voluntarily. She could have kept it secret (at least for the time being).

I've always been concerned about the exact timing of the drive, as it does not fit easily into any logical timeline, and it makes no sense to leave William's sister and FGM without telling anyone.

One explanation I have considered is that the drive was made AFTER the 000 call. The operator asks FM "Was he wearing shoes?" no answer (or perhaps the answer was deleted from the recorded version released to the public). Perhaps this question prompted FM to gather William's shoes, hop into FGM car, and dispose of them near the riding school. She would have had just enough time to return to the house and be in the street again when the police arrived. She would then add the drive into her narrative in case the police or anyone else saw her in the car. Or perhaps she even made the trip after police arrived? Or never? How do we know for sure?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

How do we know FM made the trip at 10.20? In fact how do we know she made it at all? We only have her word for it, and you are suggesting her story is fabricated, so why believe this part? If there were any witnesses to her drive, why have we not heard about them, and why were they not called to the inquest to establish the time of the drive and exact route? There is simply not enough time to make this drive any later than 10:20 and be back at the house when FF arrives. And to leave any earlier than 10:20 makes no sense, as that would not allow any time to look for William on the property. This makes the drive itself suspicious.

If the drive was to conceal evidence, rather than look for William, then why would FM tell anyone about it? The drive was information that FM offered up voluntarily. She could have kept it secret (at least for the time being).

I've always been concerned about the exact timing of the drive, as it does not fit easily into any logical timeline, and it makes no sense to leave William's sister and FGM without telling anyone.

One explanation I have considered is that the drive was made AFTER the 000 call. The operator asks FM "Was he wearing shoes?" no answer (or perhaps the answer was deleted from the recorded version released to the public). Perhaps this question prompted FM to gather William's shoes, hop into FGM car, and dispose of them near the riding school. She would have had just enough time to return to the house and be in the street again when the police arrived. She would then add the drive into her narrative in case the police or anyone else saw her in the car. Or perhaps she even made the trip after police arrived? Or never? How do we know for sure?

The search site and her reference to riding school tells us that's where she went. Her story is it happened right at the start of the search. She then came back and started searching on foot again to then be met with FF arrival home.

She told people about it because in her rendition she says she had to pull over for a truck...so she knew he saw her. Had she not mentioned it it would have been incriminating. So she decided to mention it but say she was looking for WT "but turned around because he can't possibly have come this far" ie she was FORCED into including it in her story only she changed the purpose. The fact this is the story told may be verified IF someone saw her return in the car. So that too may have FORCED her into discussing it too. She doesn't know if she was seen by neighbours

I believe this part because police have leaked repeatedly about a car trip which likely meant they have phone ping data to verify. They also chose Cnr Batar Cr Rd and Cobb & co Rd for a specific reason......that she went there to hide a body on their view....a blanket on mine. There is also a photo of fabric found there which fabric is to my eye a remarkable colour match to a second blanket in the FGM walk through and they are on record as saying it is a strong circumstantial case and finding matching fabric would fit that category. So yes I believe it's possible that's what was found.

I think it unlikely it is after the police call. because at that stage neighbours were searching heavily so a car trip then would be seen and need explanation especially being as late as that..

 

[Kurve]

Why would the foster mother hurt William?

The possibility of a manslaughter charge suggests it was unintentional.

 

[31550]

The search site and her reference to riding school tells us that's where she went. Her story is it happened right at the start of the search. She then came back and started searching on foot again to then be met with FF arrival home.

She told people about it because in her rendition she says she had to pull over for a truck...so she knew he saw her. Had she not mentioned it it would have been incriminating. So she decided to mention it but say she was looking for WT "but turned around because he can't possibly have come this far" ie she was FORCED into including it in her story only she changed the purpose. The fact this is the story told may be verified IF someone saw her return in the car. So that too may have FORCED her into discussing it too. She doesn't know if she was seen by neighbours

I believe this part because police have leaked repeatedly about a car trip which likely meant they have phone ping data to verify. They also chose Cnr Batar Cr Rd and Cobb & co Rd for a specific reason......that she went there to hide a body on their view....a blanket on mine. There is also a photo of fabric found there which fabric is to my eye a remarkable colour match to a second blanket in the FGM walk through and they are on record as saying it is a strong circumstantial case and finding matching fabric would fit that category. So yes I believe it's possible that's what was found.

I think it unlikely it is after the police call. because at that stage neighbours were searching heavily so a car trip then would be seen and need explanation especially being as late as that..

If it is not after the police call, then when? And how does this fit the rest of her timeline?

Does the truck driver exist? He has never been identified. You don't drive a truck on Batar Creek Rd unless you either live there, or are making a delivery / collection. Police should have easily been able to identify the truck and its driver if it existed, yet they never have.
Perhaps the truck is just another 'embellishment' - see, I remember all these extra details, so I must be telling the truth, just like the 'scrambled eggs, toast, and orange juice'.
Police never 'leaked' information about the drive - it was in the FM video walkthrough done on the Sunday after William vanished, out there in plain sight for all to see. If police or any member of the public had information which could confirm or refute this drive, they have had nine years to come forward. We really don't know for certain if or when she took this drive. Yes, there would be phone pings if she took her phone and it was turned on at the time, but it seems (for some unexplained reason) that she did not do so.

The Cobb & Co Coach Rd / Batar Ck Road intersection was not the only location searched. I'm not sure the fabric you speak of was actually found at that location and not somewhere else. Do you know this for a fact? Police would need a bit more than a piece of fabric which may or may not be similar to blankets at the FGM house. You could not go on a visual indication only - there would need to be thorough forensic investigation of the fibres (both the sample and an actual blanket belonging to FGM). I mean, they also found a piece of blue cloth which some suggested was part of the Spiderman suit - it turned out to be a Chux wipe. Then they have to come up with convincing evidence that the fabric found had been in contact with William and/or the FM. And the explanation has to be reasonable as to what happened - why take William inside the house, why wrap him in that blanket (as opposed to all the other materials available), why take the blanket to such a close, accessible location, and also, what happened to William consistent with all these other things? There are too many other explanations in my opinion as to how a fabric like that could end up wherever it was found (many years later, I might add).

 

[Moonwatcher]

The possibility of a manslaughter charge suggests it was unintentional.

Or just difficult to prove murder

 

[Angry Red Bull]

If it is not after the police call, then when? And how does this fit the rest of her timeline?

Does the truck driver exist? He has never been identified. You don't drive a truck on Batar Creek Rd unless you either live there, or are making a delivery / collection. Police should have easily been able to identify the truck and its driver if it existed, yet they never have.
Perhaps the truck is just another 'embellishment' - see, I remember all these extra details, so I must be telling the truth, just like the 'scrambled eggs, toast, and orange juice'.
Police never 'leaked' information about the drive - it was in the FM video walkthrough done on the Sunday after William vanished, out there in plain sight for all to see. If police or any member of the public had information which could confirm or refute this drive, they have had nine years to come forward. We really don't know for certain if or when she took this drive. Yes, there would be phone pings if she took her phone and it was turned on at the time, but it seems (for some unexplained reason) that she did not do so.

The Cobb & Co Coach Rd / Batar Ck Road intersection was not the only location searched. I'm not sure the fabric you speak of was actually found at that location and not somewhere else. Do you know this for a fact? Police would need a bit more than a piece of fabric which may or may not be similar to blankets at the FGM house. You could not go on a visual indication only - there would need to be thorough forensic investigation of the fibres (both the sample and an actual blanket belonging to FGM). I mean, they also found a piece of blue cloth which some suggested was part of the Spiderman suit - it turned out to be a Chux wipe. Then they have to come up with convincing evidence that the fabric found had been in contact with William and/or the FM. And the explanation has to be reasonable as to what happened - why take William inside the house, why wrap him in that blanket (as opposed to all the other materials available), why take the blanket to such a close, accessible location, and also, what happened to William consistent with all these other things? There are too many other explanations in my opinion as to how a fabric like that could end up wherever it was found (many years later, I might add).

The fabric was found at that location..there is a picture of it in predecessor thread just next to a picture of the blanket in one of the bedrooms. That is the location. Is it the blankets twin? Perhaps. It's an unusual colour and looks identical colour to me. Which proves nothing concrete sure

There are always explanations for most things. Do I know it's THE fabric? No I don't. I believe it's possible certainly

The police leaked multiple times about the FM car trip. Something thrown initially. Then a body hidden more recently. The trip and it's purpose was always in their sights. Did they just make it up for no reason? No didn't.

In terms of when I think she was truthful about when though not why. She said at the start of search. If she lied about when it would be pretty foolhardy to take that risk knowing if someone saw her it would unravel. She only lied about why imo.

 

[Kurve]

If you need to go back to Part 1, the link to is in the top of the sticky, top of every page.

 

[CodyRose]

Great questions.
In his interview on Sunday the 14th they went over this twice. At this stage I don't think they had even got the tennis club CCTV.
This is what he says:

I know I needed actually
be somewhere in positioned in a, in a good location settled, set up my
computer get all my services ready to do my presentation at 9.30.
Um, so I did that I set it up in the car park I think it's, is it Lake Cathie
on the way out to Laurieton? ...
There's the, a Woolworths there on the left with the, I don't what it's or
how you pronounce it Khodary Pharmacist's
Ah, so I could see O.K. Khodary ah, I'd have to go there so, I sat
there and I was looking at the, at the Woolworths Shopping Centre.
And .1 was online um, and I've got phone numbers wherever I've now
put my phone, it's here. Um, I called, I had a, an online meeting with
ah, someone urn, in Queensland.
and then urn, I made a
phone call to a prospect on the way back. And that was at about
10.15. Ah, and then when I got here at 10.30 I drove up the driveway,
oh, I did oh, sorry I did stop off at the corner store for [FGM] to get
two papers.

Then later in the interview they go over it again:

Urn, now sorry can you just take me through you, you left about just
before 9.00?
Yeah.
And you went to Lakewood?
Yeah.
And you went to a chemist?
Yeah.
And - - -
Went to the chemist after my meeting.
Sorry and you O.K. So can you, you, did you drive to the shopping
centre - --
Yeah.
- - - or anywhere else?
No, just straight to the shopping centre.
Yeah.
Um, picked a position to sit in.
Yeah.
A And I don't want to sit like, in a concrete wall, um, you know. I sat
looking out. I could see where the chemist was so, where I needed to
go afterwards. Um, I kind of knew this was going to be a relatively
boring meeting because - - -
Q219 Ah hmm.
A - - - urn, I'd tried to set it up or I'd had, I'd had to reschedule this
meeting three times for someone in Queensland.
Q220 [23.45] Yeah.
A Urn, ah, I called them set up the meeting um, you know, the online
demonstration took a little bit of time to set up actually - - -
Q221 Yeah.
A - - - because urn, the initial one that we were, I was using it can't, a
product called WebEx didn't work.
Q222 Yeah.
A She couldn't get it to work so, I used another product we call you
know, call urn, ah, Go to My PC.
Q223 Yeah, and it's - - -
A Yeah.
Q224 Can you just tell me who that, who that online demonstration or, or
meeting was with again sorry I - - -
A Yeah, yeah. No, I can - - -
Q225 You did tell me.
A - - - I'll bring it up for you here it urn, urn no, hang on a second there
we go ah, the company was Friday morning. It's called Brody
Corporation.
Q226 Yeah.
A Ah, the lady's name is Joy Chesterfield.
Q227 O,K. And what time did that start and end?
A The meeting, the meeting started at 9.30 - - -
Q228 Yeah.
A - - - I always call early.
Q229 Yeah
Because IT or related issues in regards to sometimes, because
sometimes people use Mac's or PC's and sometimes I have to use
different types of products in order to set up the meeting.
Q230 [24.23] Yeah.
A Ah, and then we go through what they wanted to cover.
Q231 O.K.
A I, I always allow my diaries when I'm doing meetings with, with these
types of people though I always allow up to an hour.
Q232 Yeah.
A Ah, but in this instance, I knew it wouldn't go that long.
Q233 O.K.
A Urn, it went for and I think it for about, actually it's on my phone.
What's the number I called 7-2-9-0 7-2-9-0. Friday, thirty nine
minutes.
Q234 Thirty nine minutes?
A From 9.17.
Q235 And do you mind reading that number out for me?
A
Q236 Thanks a lot.
A So, then after that.
Q237 Yeah.
A I finished my meeting.
Q238 Yeah.
A I had also received a phone call as I went into sorry, I'm pretty. pretty
precise.
Q239 No, that's fine that's great.
A Mmm, um ---
Q240 [25.36} That's excellent.
A - - - I received a phone call - - -
Q241 Yeah.
A _- - -Ifrom I think this one here. And this number here think her name is Belinda Rankin, she is a recruiter.
Oh, no that's one I missed, maybe it's here, I can get her details, I
can't remember where it is, anyway it, so, it's one of the recruiters
rang - - -
Yeah.
- - - oh, and I rang back that's right I got her voice mail and straight,
and rang her straight back - - -
Yeah.
- - - left a message. So, I then rang her and spoke to her.
And just that number again . - --
Looks like it's _
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
that right?
Yeah, that's right because she rang me on Thursday and left a
message as I was coming up here and I didn't want, I didn't know who
it was, I didn't recognise the number - - -
[26.25] Yeah.
- - - because you can see it's there on the Thursday. See on the way
up here?
Yeah.
5.29 I didn't want to answer any calls.
Sure.
Because I was driving as well as I had everyone in the car, I don't
want them to listen to that.
Ah hmm.
And so, that's when I rang back. Um, and then urn, so to the recruiter
while I was actually filling my script.
Yeah.
Filled the script
So, what time do you think that would have been, looking at that, that,
that call?
A Um - --
0256 That you would have had with the recruiter, 9.45am it's a missed call
is that right?
A Yeah, but then I would have called back - - -
0257 And then you rang back.
A - - - I would have rung, oh, that's the missed call.
0258 Yeah.
A But it doesn't show when you call your voice mail.
0259 O.K.
A So, I've rung my voicemail.
0260 [27.03] O.K.
A I've listened to her message.
0261 Yeah.
A And then I've gone 2-2. You know when, Telstra, you just put it 2-2 --
0262 O.K.
A - - - and it brings back that person.
0263 Sure, yeah. Yeah.
A But it doesn't show on here - -
0264 O.K.
A - - - it only shows the missed call coming in - - -
0265 That _ ?
A - - - not going out.
0266 Yeah.
0267 Mmm.
A Yeah, O.K. Then after that phone call and I was actually trying to get
her off the phone because I was in the chemist and I said, look I'm in
a chemist. I'm trying to fill a script, I've got to get home - - -
0268 Yeah.
A - - - I bet she's trying to sell me roles et cetera.
0269 Yeah.
A Um, and then I rang, this is an outbound calli, I had to make.
0270 [27.31] Yeah.
A This is a prospect of mine, it's called •••••••
0271 Yeah.
A In Breakfast Point.
0272 Yeah.
A In Sydney metro, her name is Corinne Paterson.
0273 Corinne Paterson.
A Paterson.
0274 Yeah.
A Her numbers.
Q275 Yeah.
...
A And I rang her to clarify her moving forward with the sale.
Q280 [28.021 O.K.
A And she said, it's all green lights.
0281 And what time was that [FF]
A Um,10.23.
Q282 10.23. Yeah. O.K. And then what happened after that?
A Well that was, I rang her on the way back from Lake is it Lakewood?
0283 Lakewood.
A All right. After I'd left the, ah, urn, there. I was making that on the
way back
A I was then stopped in traffic because of the roadwork's that they're
dOing on that, on the road back and into, towards Lake ah, Lakewood
and Laurieton - - -
Q285 Yeah.
A - - - it was a forty kilometre zone.
0286 O.K. Yeah.
A So, I stopped there ah, and that's then it I remembered that I had to
stop on the way back um, to get the papers for [FGM]
0287 Yeah.
A So I stopped in there and I, the lady knows me, I mean, you know not
that well but well enough. She recognised me and I said oh, have you
got the paper there for [FGM] oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
0288 And where was that [FF]
Just the, the local urn, I even call it, I actually call it the General Store
in, in, urn, in Kendall as you come up the hill.
0289 Yeah.
A You know they've got feed for cattle and - - -
Q290 [29.05] Yeah.
A - - - and all that sorts of stuff as well as you know chocolate Mars
Bars, eggs and milk and all sorts of, they've got, they've got
everything.
0291 Yeah.
A Um, so I picked up those papers.
Q292 Yeah.
A Ah, it was at that point I'm pretty sure I sent [FM] a text saying um,
I'm on my way - - -
0293 Yeah.
A - - - I'll, I'll be, be there in five minutes.
Q294 Yeah.
A Urn, here we go.
Q295 And what time was that?
A 10.30am exactly.


So FF provided police with a pretty detailed alibi, including names and phone numbers of people to verify.
However, you are correct, there is nothing to confirm his actions between 8:50am (when he passed the tennis club) and 9:17am (when he started the meeting). He says he spent this time setting up the online meeting / demonstration. I guess police could have asked for more detail about this or asked him to show them what he did and why it took so long to set up.

I personally don't think 27 minutes is long enough to get from a fairly busy main road in Kendall, dispose of a body without trace in broad daylight, and return to Lakewood shops and start an online meeting.

Agree not enough time then

 

[CodyRose]

How do we know FM made the trip at 10.20? In fact how do we know she made it at all? We only have her word for it, and you are suggesting her story is fabricated, so why believe this part? If there were any witnesses to her drive, why have we not heard about them, and why were they not called to the inquest to establish the time of the drive and exact route? There is simply not enough time to make this drive any later than 10:20 and be back at the house when FF arrives. And to leave any earlier than 10:20 makes no sense, as that would not allow any time to look for William on the property. This makes the drive itself suspicious.

If the drive was to conceal evidence, rather than look for William, then why would FM tell anyone about it? The drive was information that FM offered up voluntarily. She could have kept it secret (at least for the time being).

I've always been concerned about the exact timing of the drive, as it does not fit easily into any logical timeline, and it makes no sense to leave William's sister and FGM without telling anyone.

One explanation I have considered is that the drive was made AFTER the 000 call. The operator asks FM "Was he wearing shoes?" no answer (or perhaps the answer was deleted from the recorded version released to the public). Perhaps this question prompted FM to gather William's shoes, hop into FGM car, and dispose of them near the riding school. She would have had just enough time to return to the house and be in the street again when the police arrived. She would then add the drive into her narrative in case the police or anyone else saw her in the car. Or perhaps she even made the trip after police arrived? Or never? How do we know for sure?

I recall reading in the ff walkthrough he mentioned that a shoe might have fallen off William

 

[31550]

I recall reading in the ff walkthrough he mentioned that a shoe might have fallen off William

Yes FF said this as he described his search for William. Maybe also additional unrequested information possibly to make us believe he was searching intensely, or possibly to reinforce the notion that William was wearing shoes. But also indicates FF was of the belief at this stage that William was 'lost' rather than abducted. Or maybe he believed that the shoes were prone to falling off? Or was he setting up a scenario in case one or more shoes were found nearby later?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I recall reading in the ff walkthrough he mentioned that a shoe might have fallen off William

Yes FF said this as he described his search for William. Maybe also additional unrequested information possibly to make us believe he was searching intensely, or possibly to reinforce the notion that William was wearing shoes. But also indicates FF was of the belief at this stage that William was 'lost' rather than abducted. Or maybe he believed that the shoes were prone to falling off? Or was he setting up a scenario in case one or more shoes were found nearby later?

Imo FF is creating a story. If they are involved they are involved in concealing a body. The mention of looking for shoes that may have been discarded by WT is a plain absurd suggestion. It likely is a story to hide the possibility of shoes being found such shoes possibly having been ditched intentionally to foster the whole abduction narrative. They continue to build a false narrative

 

[stormbird]

[snipped] The mention of looking for shoes that may have been discarded by WT is a plain absurd suggestion. It likely is a story to hide the possibility of shoes being found such shoes possibly having been ditched intentionally to foster the whole abduction narrative. They continue to build a false narrative

During the first days of the search:

"Police told [a searcher] that William was wearing a Spiderman suit and sandals when he disappeared.

'The rain over the past couple of weeks has caused lots of mud so we are potentially looking for a boy covered in mud... he could have lost a shoe... we were looking for torn material or a sandal,' she said." [emphasis by me]

- Daily Mail, 14 September 2014 updated 15 Sep 2014

Frantic search widens for three-year-old William Tyrell

 

[Angry Red Bull]

During the first days of the search:

"Police told [a searcher] that William was wearing a Spiderman suit and sandals when he disappeared.

'The rain over the past couple of weeks has caused lots of mud so we are potentially looking for a boy covered in mud... he could have lost a shoe... we were looking for torn material or a sandal,' she said." [emphasis by me]

- Daily Mail, 14 September 2014 updated 15 Sep 2014

Frantic search widens for three-year-old William Tyrell

Well isn't that interesting. So the fosters have the ability of being able to see WT after he went missing and know he lost a sandal/ shoe..and no one thought that was odd??

Also why Torn material? Did they know he had torn it after he left?

Oh good we'll tell searchers to look out for him because he's missing a shoe/ sandal and has a torn spiderman suit!!! What.....was one left behind? No they just have ESP.

Ok sooooo this is important. They can't have had ESP. so the torn material and missing shoe were told to police as his state when he went missing..So WT had been in a scuffle and torn his suit and lost or broke a shoe before he went missing......and no one thought that was strange in the least????.....that they would or could know this?

They are essentially describing what happened to his attire immediately before he died. There was a tear and there was a broken or missing sandal. Very interesting

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Well isn't that interesting. So the fosters have the ability of being able to see WT after he went missing and know he lost a sandal/ shoe..and no one thought that was odd??

Also why Torn material? Did they know he had torn it after he left?

Oh good we'll tell searchers to look out for him because he's missing a shoe/ sandal and has a torn spiderman suit!!! What.....was one left behind? No they just have ESP.

Ok sooooo this is important. They can't have had ESP. so the torn material and missing shoe were told to police as his state when he went missing..So WT had been in a scuffle and torn his suit and lost or broke a shoe before he went missing......and no one thought that was strange in the least????.....that they would or could know this?

They are essentially describing what happened to his attire immediately before he died. There was a tear and there was a broken or missing sandal. Very interesting

What is more incriminating is that it is FF who has suggested there may have been a missing or broken shoe. FF isn't supposed to have known anything when he arrived home......yet he did know..which adds weight to my suggestion it was early morning when it happened and FF was there

 

[31550]

Well isn't that interesting. So the fosters have the ability of being able to see WT after he went missing and know he lost a sandal/ shoe..and no one thought that was odd??

Also why Torn material? Did they know he had torn it after he left?

Oh good we'll tell searchers to look out for him because he's missing a shoe/ sandal and has a torn spiderman suit!!! What.....was one left behind? No they just have ESP.

Ok sooooo this is important. They can't have had ESP. so the torn material and missing shoe were told to police as his state when he went missing..So WT had been in a scuffle and torn his suit and lost or broke a shoe before he went missing......and no one thought that was strange in the least????.....that they would or could know this?

They are essentially describing what happened to his attire immediately before he died. There was a tear and there was a broken or missing sandal. Very interesting

What you are suggesting is possible. We don't know.
But it's also possible that police searchers were told what William was wearing - a Spiderman suit and sandals. Then, looking at the rough terrain and poor weather conditions, made a reasonable inference that a lost 3YO might have difficulty navigating this rough and slippery terrain in open sandals, and might stumble and lose a sandal, or might rip his flimsy Spiderman suit on the spiky lantana bushes or barb-wire fences. In an effort to find him as quickly as possible, searchers were told to be on the lookout (on the ground as well as in their eyeline), for items such as blue/red material or threads, or even a lost sandal, as this may lead to finding William, who by this time, may have fallen, passed out from exhaustion or injured himself. Items such as material and sandals would help locate a missing and possibly injured 3YO more quickly. Reasonable?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

What you are suggesting is possible. We don't know.
But it's also possible that police searchers were told what William was wearing - a Spiderman suit and sandals. Then, looking at the rough terrain and poor weather conditions, made a reasonable inference that a lost 3YO might have difficulty navigating this rough and slippery terrain in open sandals, and might stumble and lose a sandal, or might rip his flimsy Spiderman suit on the spiky lantana bushes or barb-wire fences. In an effort to find him as quickly as possible, searchers were told to be on the lookout (on the ground as well as in their eyeline), for items such as blue/red material or threads, or even a lost sandal, as this may lead to finding William, who by this time, may have fallen, passed out from exhaustion or injured himself. Items such as material and sandals would help locate a missing and possibly injured 3YO more quickly. Reasonable?

I don't know what search protocols are. They have a description of child and clothes. it's common sense that in their searches they be mindful of anything that might infer it relates to him. Do I think they gave an instruction to look specifically for either a missing sandal or torn piece of cloth? No I don't believe that at all.

If it came from Fosters it might then in hindsight be a reason police then said that something might have been thrown from car....because it was impossible they knew he wouldn't have a shoe in advance. Now that does link in with what we know.

 

[stormbird]

What is more incriminating is that it is FF who has suggested there may have been a missing or broken shoe. FF isn't supposed to have known anything when he arrived home......yet he did know..which adds weight to my suggestion it was early morning when it happened and FF was there

This is what FF says in his walk-through interview (filmed 18 Sep 2014, so several days after the volunteer searcher had spoken to a reporter for the 14/15 Sep article previously linked):

FF: "You know, I was still looking for things on the ground - if there's som-- you know, he might have lost a shoe or something like that..."

- transcript by me of the FF walk-through video at 2:49 minutes:



I think it's likely that FF and the volunteer searcher repeated what all searchers might have been told to look for (e.g. things on the ground; a sandal; bits of ripped clothing snagged on lantana; etc). And it obviously wasn't FF telling the crowd what to look for because in that 14/15 Sep article the volunteer "said that although she hasn't seen any of William's family members she heard that his [foster] father has been out looking for him the 'entire time'."

Video was originally published in Daily Mail, 25 March 2019

 

[Angry Red Bull]

This is what FF says in his walk-through interview (filmed 18 Sep 2014, so several days after the volunteer searcher had spoken to a reporter for the 14/15 Sep article previously linked):

FF: "You know, I was still looking for things on the ground - if there's som-- you know, he might have lost a shoe or something like that..."

- transcript by me of the FF walk-through video at 2:49 minutes:



I think it's likely that FF and the volunteer searcher repeated what all searchers might have been told to look for (e.g. things on the ground; a sandal; bits of ripped clothing snagged on lantana; etc). And it obviously wasn't FF telling the crowd what to look for because in that 14/15 Sep article the volunteer "said that although she hasn't seen any of William's family members she heard that his [foster] father has been out looking for him the 'entire time'."

Video was originally published in Daily Mail, 25 March 2019

Certainly possible. I just find it a little odd. At that stage I'd assume the best option was yelling out and hearing him or tracing him with dogs..Finding a shoe or piece of clothing creates a myopic rather than an expansive search mindset and would to that extent be a negative to the search. My view, but I'm no expert on search protocols/.approaches

 

[Awakening]

If you are in search then you will be told to look out for items of clothing and all sorts of other things depending on the age of the person missing and the circumstances surrounding their disappearance.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

If you are in search then you will be told to look out for items of clothing and all sorts of other things depending on the age of the person missing and the circumstances surrounding their disappearance.

Is this first hand knowledge or opinion?