Autopsy Disappointing Dogs Go Down To Swans 120-67

[Charlie Bucket]

Interesting presser from Bevo.

Different demeanour from the last few weeks, seems to have given up on this season. There were also a few comments that suggest the same.

Mentioned they’ll keep trying to win each game from here on in regardless. Sounding like we’re now looking to next year.

Also spoke about going through a period of change, suggests there’ll be significant list changes this off season. I’d put my house in these being in defence.

Kinda hoping, if we don’t make finals, we don’t make up too much ground on the Top 8 and take a decent pick to the draft. Aggressive list changes and player recruitment is much needed. Will be an interesting off season.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Treloar off the half backline isn’t actually a terrible idea with our current outs and the way he runs and Carey’s was very good, why they made him play on Heeney however is baffling

Daniel is a big out and it seems we were trying to replicate his influence playing Treloar back there.

It makes sense, just probably didn’t play out as planned.

 

[doggies ftw]

Treloar off the half backline isn’t actually a terrible idea with our current outs and the way he runs and Carey’s was very good, why they made him play on Heeney however is baffling

Our problem is we can’t defend - when 3 spots of your defensive 50 are taken up by the most offensively minded, poorest defenders in the team in Treloar, Hannan & Dale I’m not sure what we expect (Scott the same last week) throw in the fact two of those 3 can’t actually hit a target either and there ya have it

 

[Sentinel]

Feel for Josh Bruce

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Josh Bruce

Age

32

Ht

198cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

90.4

1star

D

8.9

2star

K

3.5

1star

HB

5.4

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

90.4

2star

D

11.2

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.8

3star

. After missing out last year, he could have made a real difference to the team this season but just as he's close to knocking on the door we're effectively done for 2022.

 

[DognBones]

No doubt Sydney's pressure and tackling was excellent last night but what rankled me was how their players pushed, elbowed and used physical tactics to put us off our game without any corresponding reaction from our guys. Ed tried to show the flag but most of the rest found it all too hard. Our lack of resilience under pressure has become a recurring theme unfortunately.

 

[doggies ftw]

No doubt Sydney's pressure and tackling was excellent last night but what rankled me was how their players pushed, elbowed and used physical tactics to put us off our game without any corresponding reaction from our guys. Ed tried to show the flag but most of the rest found it all too hard. Our lack of resilience under pressure has become a recurring theme unfortunately.

Comes down to a rot from the top, a lack of care or motivation in our game. We know when we’re on our pressures huge, we stand up under pressure and win against the odds, we’re extremely mentally resilient. Right now that’s all gone, we’ve lost belief in the side and it’s all a little too hard at the moment. We need change

 

[immortalmike]

Laughable people thought we'd be better off without Caleb in defence. Last night showed without him, stop dale and we lose all ball movement. Midfield outworked again. Poor defensive running. Back 6 embarrassing mistakes all round. Shocking display.

We are better off.
So long as you actually play someone else that can carry and dispose of the ball down there. It's not our fault the coach is an idiot and chose Treloar to be that guy.

 

[Dog 36]

Treloar off the half backline isn’t actually a terrible idea with our current outs and the way he runs and Carey’s was very good, why they made him play on Heeney however is baffling

Terrible idea it was and the end result justifies that

Play Cleary there instead of Treloar.

HERE IS AN IDEA PLAY PLAYERS IN THEIR RIGHTFUL POSITIONS AND STOP STUFFING AROUND

 

[Dogsman16]

Naughton's horror 30 seconds in which he made 2 stuff ups that should have cost us a goal is the exact reason why he shouldn't play defence.

I still think there are some signs for Jamarra. I'd like to see him trialled in defence (maybe at VFL/pre season first) cause I think if he was allowed a free run and jump he could shine.

If our season is well and truly stuffed (which it nearly is anyway), I wouldn't mind seeing it.

 

[Foxman98]

Terrible idea it was and the end result justifies that

Play Cleary there instead of Treloar.

HE IS AN IDEA PLAY PLAYERS IN THEIR RIGHTFUL POSITIONS AND STOP STUFFING AROUND

How was it terrible? Offensively Treloar was one of our best and actually showed he could be a handy runner off there. The issue was that he was playing on a dangerous forward

 

[Libba39]

Feel for Josh Bruce. After missing out last year, he could have made a real difference to the team this season but just as he's close to knocking on the door we're effectively done for 2022.

Maybe not a bad thing. He can build towards the end of the year and have a full pre-season to launch into next year.

 

[Dog 36]

How was it terrible? Offensively Treloar was one of our best and actually showed he could be a handy runner off there. The issue was that he was playing on a dangerous forward

Your best form of attack is to defend well. A defenders first and second job is to stop his opponent scoring. The team defending structure should be doing that collectively.

You can rebound as much as you want but is the opposition keeps putting over the goal umpires head your achieving nothing.

I would have preferred Cleary to play on Heeney and if got 6 kicked on him he would have learnt something.

Defenders defend first .

Play players in their rightful positions

 

[doggies ftw]

Naughton's horror 30 seconds in which he made 2 stuff ups that should have cost us a goal is the exact reason why he shouldn't play defence.

I still think there are some signs for Jamarra. I'd like to see him trialled in defence (maybe at VFL/pre season first) cause I think if he was allowed a free run and jump he could shine.

If our season is well and truly stuffed (which it nearly is anyway), I wouldn't mind seeing it.

Beautiful field kick Marra too, and actually just genuinely really clean in general play, at ground level etc. whilst he seems to have lost his confidence in front of goal.

It’s not the worst idea and could give him a really solid base at AFL level for a season or two before inevitably going forward. I’m actually really really liking his work as CHF though - it’s been good to get him a little bit more involved in the play and he looks a lot more comfortable aerially leading up at the ball outside 50 rather than having it sat on his head at FF - and he knows how to kick to a forwards advantage too.

If Bruce comes back strong and we get Lobb I’d like to see it happen, otherwise if we don’t I think he’s good enough now to hold down a spot in the 3 talls forward of centre.

I still think Darcy should be starting his career as a defender though - and you can’t play both Jamarra and Darcy there. I agree with you long term Darcy is probably forward ruck and looks to have limitations that might see him struggle in defence but I think he has some weapons that could be utilised there in the right structure.

For next year our biggest priority has to be a big name defender signing, it’s a long shot and doesn’t necessarily have to be Barrass but if we could get someone of his quality I’d be keen on a structure like this next year -

Naughty, Bruce, Jamarra/Lobb forward

English ruck

Keath, Barrass (or equivalent), Darcy back

Naughty (or Lobb) takes forward 50 ruck contests, Darcy takes defensive 50 ruck contests. English focuses on his ruck work in the middle 3rd of the ground whilst resting either a kick behind the ball or a kick ahead of the ball as a marking option rather than going too deep into either 50 - to keep him fresh. Naughty & Darcy are really good ruck options for either end of the ground, and Bruce can do any chop out ruckwork for English in the centre if he needs a breather. Obviously if we get Lobb he can do this too.

Keath and another good defender are the main two whilst Darcy focuses on a floating 3rd tall role for now. Would open up our intercepting game in the back half so long as we fix the team defence issues up the field of course.

Dale, Daniel, Ed and Doc (or ideally another really strong defensive medium/small) round out the defence.

One gun key defender along with Darcy is the only personnel issues we need to desperately fix in the backline, the rest aren’t actually a problem. It’s just game plan & system which is an issue - mainly we need to adjust our positioning and HOLD OUR DEFENSIVE LINES FFS, no extremely aggressively high defence any more, it doesn’t work for us - at least not the last line.

Plus of course bring back pressure on the ball carrier…

 

[SSwans2011]

The efforts from English in that first quarter against Ladhams were unforgivable. Absolutely pathetic and game over by quarter time.
Years and years we have invested in English watching him be towelled up by jobbers at every turn. He's just not got the heart to play as a number one ruckman.

Seems like he tends to play to the quality of the opposition's ruck, but then doesn't match them if they're a non-A-grader that plays out of their skin (e.g. he matched, maybe even beat, Gawn in round 1 and the GF, but then struggled when Jackson went in there and got on a roll).

Not trying to troll - I'll always pop my head in here after we play you guys, win or lose, to find Oliver Gigacz's statistical breakdown (fmd you guys are lucky to have him), but that's how I've felt watching English since around the middle of last year. Could be completely inaccurate, but it's also a pattern in how the Swans play as a group depending on the quality of the opposition, so it makes it easier to pick-up on.

I'll be tuning in to more of your games now when BT is calling to hear him try to pronounce Bedendo's name. "BEDENDUH WITH THE AGILITY, BEDEMBA DELIVERS THE BALL INSIDE 50". I was losing my shit. He's right that there appears to be quite a bit to work with there, though.

Really enjoy watching Rhylee West play this season too with his ferocious hunt on the ball, absolutely looks like he belongs at the level. His small paddle to Weightman while under body heat to lead to your first goal was sublime.

I was a bit surprised Treloar wasn't moved back to the middle at any point. Looked like the player that was most likely to even the stoppages up last night. Feel like even swapping him with Bont at half time could have been win-win, given his (relative to normal) lack of influence.

Anyhow, I'll piss off back to the Swans board before things deteriorate into a shitfight - consider this a brief diplomatic mission, I guess.

 

[doggies ftw]

Seems like he tends to play to the quality of the opposition's ruck, but then doesn't match them if they're a non-A-grader that plays out of their skin (e.g. he matched, maybe even beat, Gawn in round 1 and the GF, but then struggled when Jackson went in there and got on a roll).

Not trying to troll - I'll always pop my head in here after we play you guys, win or lose, to find Oliver Gigacz's statistical breakdown (fmd you guys are lucky to have him), but that's how I've felt watching English since around the middle of last year. Could be completely inaccurate, but it's also a pattern in how the Swans play as a group depending on the quality of the opposition, so it makes it easier to pick-up on.

I'll be tuning in to more of your games now when BT is calling to hear him try to pronounce Bedendo's name. "BEDENDUH WITH THE AGILITY, BEDEMBA DELIVERS THE BALL INSIDE 50". I was losing my s**t. He's right that there appears to be quite a bit to work with there, though.

Really enjoy watching Rhylee West play this season too with his ferocious hunt on the ball, absolutely looks like he belongs at the level. His small paddle to Weightman while under body heat to lead to your first goal was sublime.

I was a bit surprised Treloar wasn't moved back to the middle at any point. Looked like the player that was most likely to even the stoppages up last night. Feel like even swapping him with Bont at half time could have been win-win, given his (relative to normal) lack of influence.

Anyhow, I'll piss off back to the Swans board before things deteriorate into a shitfight - consider this a brief diplomatic mission, I guess.

Pretty spot on assessment - we mostly despise your kind here as you do us and I’m sure we’d all love to see you bundled out of the finals asap but in all honesty you’ve got such an impressive list right now that you’ve turned around so quickly. Young talent is just about unmatched with some absolute top liners at the pointy end of the bunch, Warner in particular is an absolute gem. Pretty jealous of the way you’ve turned it around and whilst consistency is an issue still you’ve got the building blocks of a pretty special side.

Now piss off and let us get back to whacking our team

 

[threenewpadlocks]

At least people can't criticise Bevo for trying something different. Dunkley and West in the middle. Maybe backfired, but people want it both ways by criticising staying on the course being kot good enough for recent games.

 

[Foxman98]

Your best form of attack is to defend well. A defenders first and second job is to stop his opponent scoring. The team defending structure should be doing that collectively.

You can rebound as much as you want but is the opposition keeps putting over the goal umpires head your achieving nothing.

I would have preferred Cleary to play on Heeney and if got 6 kicked on him he would have learnt something.

Defenders defend first .

Play players in their rightful positions

If that’s the case we wouldn’t have an AA half back in Dale throwing the magnets around isn’t the issue the matchups were

 

[Foxman98]

At least people can't criticise Bevo for trying something different. Dunkley and West in the middle. Maybe backfired, but people want it both ways by criticising staying on the course being kot good enough for recent games.

Spot on can’t say no plan B when he’s trying things our list isn’t that good or balanced our coaching set up is poor and we have no vision or plan

 

[SSwans2011]

Now piss off and let us get back to whacking our team

Now this I can empathise with. I don't know what I'd have done without a club board to lose my shit on last week.

Good luck for the rest of the season. Even with your run home, lack of form, and the beef between our two clubs, I still give you guys the best chance of any team outside of the 8 of making finals and having an impact.

 

[doggies ftw]

At least people can't criticise Bevo for trying something different. Dunkley and West in the middle. Maybe backfired, but people want it both ways by criticising staying on the course being kot good enough for recent games.

Dunks to the middle is trying something different now?

We’re criticising staying on the course when it comes to the big picture, team wide directives that are costing us, looking past fundamentally flawed issues in certain players games and continuing to gift them games, the chopping and changing of our structure at both ends of the ground.

No one’s been asking him to throw the magnets around with bewildering individual player positioning which clearly wasn’t going to work (Hannan to defence cough cough)

 

[doggies ftw]

Now this I can empathise with. I don't know what I'd have done without a club board to lose my s**t on last week.

Good luck for the rest of the season. Even with your run home, lack of form, and the beef between our two clubs, I still give you guys the best chance of any team outside of the 8 of making finals and having an impact.

Same to you mate - even though I’m not the biggest fan of your club your current playing list is actually extremely likeable and I’d rather see you go deep over some of the other s**tstain clubs at the top end right now (Melbourne, Carlton, Geelong, Brisbane, Tigers to name a few ) and I’d be surprised if you didn’t make a decent run in the finals!

 

[Dog 36]

If that’s the case we wouldn’t have an AA half back in Dale throwing the magnets around isn’t the issue the matchups were

Same applies to Dale defend first second and then create.
You are a defender you stop your opponent that’s your job.
Dale does that. He would not be an AA if his opponent was continuously kicking 3 or 4 goal a week on him.

Treloar to backline was silly and Sydney made us pay simple as that and they thanked us for our stupidity

 

[Foxman98]

Same applies to Dale defend first second and then create.
You are a defender you stop your opponent that’s your job.
Dale does that. He would not be an AA if his opponent was continuously kicking 3 or 4 goal a week on him.

Treloar to backline was silly and Sydney made us pay simple as that and they thanked us for our stupidity

Jayden Short won a bnf in a flag year at half back and he can’t defend it’s not 1980 anymore roles are different.

 

[Dog 36]

Jayden Short won a bnf in a flag year at half back and he can’t defend it’s not 1980 anymore roles are different.

But Richmond know how to defend and I’m sure Short knows also. If he didn’t Richmond don’t allow it they would have him out of there.

Roles are different but principal should be same you are defender make sure your direct opponent isn’t putting the ball over the goal umpires head on a regular basis.

Principal applied in the 1930’s 40’ 50’s etc etc and is relevant today.

We gave Heeney and the Swans a free kick and they made us pay

 

[Optimistic Dog]

Next season wish list

New Game plan
Astro goes back
Bont is fit
recruit a Key defender
recruit a pressure small forward
No McComb, Scott, Hannan, McNeill, Gardiner, Schache
Bevo stops drinking his own bath water

Team something like this

Richards Naughton Keath
Daniel Recruit* Dale
Treloar Libba B Smith
Weightman Bruce Recruit*
Darcy JUH West

English Bont, Macrae

interchange Dunkley, Hunter Bebendo, From Kharmis, Mclean, Cleary, Garcia, Williams, JJ

For the betterment of the team and certainly for his long term health I am all for all Astro back next season we need a new tall defence with Keath as the interceptor . I know Astro is the only marking forward this season but how many big marks does he take against his khamikazi attack in the air that takes out another forward resulting in a rebound.