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[Golden_6]

We are talking about that one specific incident, not the other games or overall game plan. I am sure we do have a plan, just English chose to take it on himself to take the kick out. Even freaking West Coast would have a kick out plan. What makes you think English took it out because we had no plan, opposed to him panicking and taking it on himself to kick it out? Its an issue we rarely see, that the wrong person takes the kick outs. Richards, Dale, JJ, Daniel are out main kick out takers. Only Richards was near by with the clock ticking, and should have demanded it. Both of them have some blame. I put that down to poor game IQ and not having cool heads under pressure than it being a game plan issue.

I feel like English was himself the one to make the call to take it. You can see Richards loitering around the goal line expecting to take the kick in with English potentially waving him off.

 

[Dog 36]

We are talking about that one specific incident, not the other games or overall game plan. I am sure we do have a plan, just English chose to take it on himself to take the kick out. Even freaking West Coast would have a kick out plan. What makes you think English took it out because we had no plan, opposed to him panicking and taking it on himself to kick it out? Its an issue we rarely see, that the wrong person takes the kick outs. Richards, Dale, JJ, Daniel are out main kick out takers. Only Richards was near by with the clock ticking, and should have demanded it. Both of them have some blame. I put that down to poor game IQ and not having cool heads under pressure than it being a game plan issue.

I say we had no plan because similar disaster vs Sydney.

Once Lewis is having a set shot there is a chance that there will be a behind therefore everyone on the ground should know who takes the kick out, where each player should be and what the play is given 1 min to go and we need a goal. If there was a plan Dale, Duryea, Richards etc should have been ready to take the kick out and English should have been off ASAP to where he should be.

We should be drilled for these scenarios.

Look at the Hawks they were set up for it with numbers around the centre hence why Timmy could take a few bounces.

 

[Dog 36]

I feel like English was himself the one to make the call to take it. You can see Richards loitering around the goal line expecting to take the kick in with English potentially waving him off.

If that is the case English should be dropped for not following instructions.

I maintain there was no plan therefore confusion and stupidity reigned.

 

[Mr. Walker]

Nothing to do with game plan or coaching, he made wrong call in the heat of the moment. He had no one to kick to,

This happens way way too often with our kick ins. Not sure if it is poor coaching or players cannot be stuffed running. Poor either way

 

[doggies ftw]

You just know we’d do **** all around situational based training, I guarantee Big bad Bevo just says shit like we want to play the same way whether it’s first minute or last minute of the qtr, we’ll just play our way and the result will take care of it self etc etc

Blokes an idiot

 

[Mr. Walker]

Again for the 100th time Spanghers isn't the best at his job but teaching them how to kick is not his job he is there for leading pattern/structures ect

I am going to make a lot of assumptions. If we assume you are correct and it is not Spanghers job then someone else should be doing it. I assume they are. I also assume, from what we see in practice, they are not doing a very good job. If true then I assume it would be Spanghers job, or Bevos job, to make a change. If Spanghers attitude is “ not my job” it’s still danmbable. I just want it fixed.

 

[_Cerberus_]

This happens way way too often with our kick ins. Not sure if it is poor coaching or players cannot be stuffed running. Poor either way

A bit of both I say. After we play our usual hot and sexy first quarters. We struggle to move the ball out of the back half at times for the next two quarters. If we get past the wall on the 50m arc, we then struggle to get it past the next set of contests in the middle, especially if we are moving it along the wing. I think in part, poor structures, and the fact we are to slow to move the ball, and allows teams to set up defensively. Plus our mids and wingers are plagued by poor kicks, or get easily pushed aside and out marked in contests.

The fact our fitness guy might be moved on, is probably a good thing. We often have no legs after half time, we are slow, and get out bodied way to easily in one on one contests. For a team with only a couple of guys on the field past 30, we should be running all over teams the way Collingwood does. Instead we look like Dads Army.

 

[dogwatch]

You just know we’d do * all around situational based training, I guarantee Big bad Bevo just says s**t like we want to play the same way whether it’s first minute or last minute of the qtr, we’ll just play our way and the result will take care of it self etc etc

Blokes an idiot

Bevo may be a lot of things but he's not an idiot.

 

[Foxman98]

I am going to make a lot of assumptions. If we assume you are correct and it is not Spanghers job then someone else should be doing it. I assume they are. I also assume, from what we see in practice, they are not doing a very good job. If true then I assume it would be Spanghers job, or Bevos job, to make a change. If Spanghers attitude is “ not my job” it’s still danmbable. I just want it fixed.

Was Spangher a noted set shot kicker? No he was a defender we need a kicking specialist to come in,

It's not rocket science to tell the difference

 

[Oliver G]

Here is goal accuracy at Docklands vs. All Other Grounds vs. Boutique Grounds in 2023...

Docklands


All Other Grounds


Boutique Grounds (Bellerive, Eureka, Manuka, Marrara, Norwood, Summit Sports Park, York Park)

 

[Proffessor]

The carry-on about the last kick out play is getting more than a little embarrassing fellas. I think we need to forget about the last seconds of the game and worry about what happened in the preceding two hours.

We lost one of our best and most critical players to a kick in the head early on, and pretty much got physically beaten up by the opposition throughout the match with the umpires looking on with apparent approval.

We also had one of our blokes run around for a full game amassing a whopping 3 possessions and 0%, yes, that's zero % disposal efficiency.

But no, let's focus on why we weren't able to miraculously take the ball from goal to goal unimpeded in the frantic final seconds.

 

[BeMoreBont]

The carry-on about the last kick out play is getting more than a little embarrassing fellas. I think we need to forget about the last seconds of the game and worry about what happened in the preceding two hours.

We lost one of our best and most critical players to a kick in the head early on, and pretty much got physically beaten up by the opposition throughout the match with the umpires looking on with apparent approval.

We also had one of our blokes run around for a full game amassing a whopping 3 possessions and 0%, yes, that's zero % disposal efficiency.

But no, let's focus on why we weren't able to miraculously take the ball from goal to goal unimpeded in the frantic final seconds.

Spot on.

Even if Richards took the kick in, or even if Williams didn't run directly back into two opposition players. To assume one of the next two kicks weren't butchered directly to the opposition for an intercept mark, or if by some luck they weren't to then assume we would actually kick straight for a goal, it's a bit of a stretch with this side.

The third quarter was dead set embarrassing. Absolutely smashed across the board. We completely folded with the season on the line against a team playing for nothing. We only came back late because Hawthorn went into survival mode.

 

[dogwatch]

Spot on.

Even if Richards took the kick in, or even if Williams didn't run directly back into two opposition players. To assume one of the next two kicks weren't butchered directly to the opposition for an intercept mark, or if by some luck they weren't to then assume we would actually kick straight for a goal, it's a bit of a stretch with this side.

The third quarter was dead set embarrassing. Absolutely smashed across the board. We completely folded with the season on the line against a team playing for nothing. We only came back late because Hawthorn went into survival mode.

Yes I agree. The third quarter was appalling. It should never have come down to the outcome of those last couple of minutes.

 

[glenashley]

The carry-on about the last kick out play is getting more than a little embarrassing fellas. I think we need to forget about the last seconds of the game and worry about what happened in the preceding two hours.

We lost one of our best and most critical players to a kick in the head early on, and pretty much got physically beaten up by the opposition throughout the match with the umpires looking on with apparent approval.

We also had one of our blokes run around for a full game amassing a whopping 3 possessions and 0%, yes, that's zero % disposal efficiency.

But no, let's focus on why we weren't able to miraculously take the ball from goal to goal unimpeded in the frantic final seconds.

Agree. Though the last minute kick in issue kind of mirrors the disaster of a game that preceded it in the sense that we had no plan B, no strategy and no flexibility on the field, or in the coaching box.

 

[theburst]

The Hawks wanted it more

yep like other teams have gone hard to get the win after being down and we didn't go with them...i reckon the Hawks players post match thought 'Dogs are skilful but they're soft'...though this Sunday we'll be high fiving, suddenly accuracy won't be an issue blah blah

 

[Claudonious]

just on that last play, English did the right thing standing on the goal line as Lewis was kicking outside 50, but the wrong choice not letting Richards have the kick out as you can see Lobb, Bont and Treloar each pointing up the middle and I reckon would have found one of them, then who knows

It seems Richards was asking for the ball from English. They were then both in 2 minds. English then appeared to panic a bit and thought he better get on with it - and then the giraffe running up the field play commenced.



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[CarnTheScray]

The carry-on about the last kick out play is getting more than a little embarrassing fellas. I think we need to forget about the last seconds of the game and worry about what happened in the preceding two hours.

We lost one of our best and most critical players to a kick in the head early on, and pretty much got physically beaten up by the opposition throughout the match with the umpires looking on with apparent approval.

We also had one of our blokes run around for a full game amassing a whopping 3 possessions and 0%, yes, that's zero % disposal efficiency.

But no, let's focus on why we weren't able to miraculously take the ball from goal to goal unimpeded in the frantic final seconds.

So we lose one player and the rest of our group except maybe 1-2 players puts in 2 hours of an uncompetitive performance.

Collingwood lose 2 in a match and their remaining players continue to play at a hard, skilful level.

This side doesn’t have any hardness (and arguably hasn’t since that 2019 final, and a few moments in 2021).

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

It seems Richards was asking for the ball from English. They were then both in 2 minds. English then appeared to panic a bit and thought he better get on with it - and then the giraffe running up the field play commenced.



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By that stage I had my hands over my eyes, just prior to reaching for the OFF switch on the remote

 

[Dog 36]

The carry-on about the last kick out play is getting more than a little embarrassing fellas. I think we need to forget about the last seconds of the game and worry about what happened in the preceding two hours.

We lost one of our best and most critical players to a kick in the head early on, and pretty much got physically beaten up by the opposition throughout the match with the umpires looking on with apparent approval.

We also had one of our blokes run around for a full game amassing a whopping 3 possessions and 0%, yes, that's zero % disposal efficiency.

But no, let's focus on why we weren't able to miraculously take the ball from goal to goal unimpeded in the frantic final seconds.

The focus is not on the frantic final seconds what that last kick in shows how we go about things and where we are at in terms of been an organised and well drilled side. The last kick in is a symptom of a bigger problem.

The last kick in just reinforced the previous 2 hours that confusion reigns much like our season.

 

[Proffessor]

So we lose one player and the rest of our group except maybe 1-2 players puts in 2 hours of an uncompetitive performance.

Collingwood lose 2 in a match and their remaining players continue to play at a hard, skilful level.

This side doesn’t have any hardness (and arguably hasn’t since that 2019 final, and a few moments in 2021).

Uncompetitive performance? Get a grip, We lost by 3 points!

Are we a bit over reliant on key players and did we have a few of those players down on form, yep absolutely. We can’t expect them to be at their peak every week.

Collingwood lost to the same team by more the previous week, and at a less hostile venue.

I hate losing too but sometimes a bit of perspective is useful.

 

[JTCWBFC]

Uncompetitive performance? Get a grip, We lost by 3 points!

Are we a bit over reliant on key players and did we have a few of those players down on form, yep absolutely. We can’t expect them to be at their peak every week.

Collingwood lost to the same team by more the previous week, and at a less hostile venue.

I hate losing too but sometimes a bit of perspective is useful.

I guess perspective takes different forms.

You could also say:

- Collingwood don’t need to win

- Our season was on the line

The 3rd quarter when we needed to go with the wind was the definition of non competitive.

 

[Dog 36]

Uncompetitive performance? Get a grip, We lost by 3 points!

Are we a bit over reliant on key players and did we have a few of those players down on form, yep absolutely. We can’t expect them to be at their peak every week.

Collingwood lost to the same team by more the previous week, and at a less hostile venue.

I hate losing too but sometimes a bit of perspective is useful.

It is the ways we lost not that we lost.

Conceded 6 consecutive goals AGAIN!

Broken Tackles - Bambi type efforts

Allowing Jai Newcombe to run rampant - He has been good against us previously

Lack of effort and intensity - Hawks wanted it more, ran more etc etc

There is more


I have been to games where we have lost and have walked away saying effort was there and with some luck and a little cleaner we could have won.

This loss is a disgrace regardless who we were playing.

 

[Proffessor]

The focus is not on the frantic final seconds what that last kick in shows how we go about things and where we are at in terms of been an organised and well drilled side. The last kick in is a symptom of a bigger problem.

The last kick in just reinforced the previous 2 hours that confusion reigns much like our season.

Can’t agree with this.

Actions that occur in the frantic final moments of a close game are at the mercy of the situational constraints each player finds themselves in at the time.

If you could plan the situation, you’d be better off planning to be 5 goals up rather than 3 points down.

 

[Dog 36]

Can’t agree with this.

Actions that occur in the frantic final moments of a close game are at the mercy of the situational constraints each player finds themselves in at the time.

If you could plan the situation, you’d be better off planning to be 5 goals up rather than 3 points down.

Bottom line was there was no plan and there should have been. There was no plan vs Sydney and we did not address it.

There was no situational constraints for somethings especially as Lewis was taking a set shot. We should have had a designated player to take kick out that is not dependent on anything but planning, players should have been situated in particular parts of the ground no constraints on that other than planning etc etc etc

As there was no plan what unfolded was Fawlty Towers.

Like I said this was another symptom to a bigger issues.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Uncompetitive performance? Get a grip, We lost by 3 points!

Are we a bit over reliant on key players and did we have a few of those players down on form, yep absolutely. We can’t expect them to be at their peak every week.

Collingwood lost to the same team by more the previous week, and at a less hostile venue.

I hate losing too but sometimes a bit of perspective is useful.

Okay let me amend my statement. 45 minutes of uncompetitiveness.