Coach Do you still have any faith in Bevo? [POLL]

[Whoyagot]

I’m tipping bevo and the dogs to do their bit to promote the Oppenheimer movie by causing this thread to go nuclear tonight

 

[doggies ftw]

Reserved*

 

[Foxman98]

Reserved*

So you have faith?

 

[dogwatch]

So you have faith?

You know what dftw is like. He's just reserved.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

For those that say Beveridge doesn't make any match day moves.

He took one look at Khamis as second ruck in the first and said **** that.

Lets just run English in the ruck for the rest of the game.

I'd expect Lobb to come straight back in next week regardless of form.

 

[Nat Fyfe]

Reserved*

 

[doggies ftw]

So you have faith?

**** no, always take a decent win against our bunnies though, one of the finer things in sport. Shall it never end.

 

[doggies ftw]

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I’ll give it a miss tonight I spose, always enjoy a win

Should we… get a bag?

 

[hutchy31]

For those that say Beveridge doesn't make any match day moves.

He took one look at Khamis as second ruck in the first and said * that.

Lets just run English in the ruck for the rest of the game.

I'd expect Lobb to come straight back in next week regardless of form.

Didn’t he pick him in a position where he’d have to second ruck?

I’d love that kind of assessment in my job. Pick someone who’s poor at something, then when they are poor at that thing, replace them with the person who should’ve been doing that thing in the first place.

In almost any other job that’s poor performance. Yet in AFL coaching it’s good?

 

[doggies ftw]

Didn’t he pick him in a position where he’d have to second ruck?

I’d love that kind of assessment in my job. Pick someone who’s poor at something, then when they are poor at that thing, replace them with the person who should’ve been doing that thing in the first place.

In almost any other job that’s poor performance. Yet in AFL coaching it’s good?

Yeah that’s a cracker, not to mention Buku rucked the whole game too…

 

[tonzdogs]

For those that say Beveridge doesn't make any match day moves.

He took one look at Khamis as second ruck in the first and said * that.

Lets just run English in the ruck for the rest of the game.

I'd expect Lobb to come straight back in next week regardless of form.

That’s indefensible, he shouldn’t have been picked for that role either should Bruce have been playing back, they should’ve been swapped

 

[Snarls Barkley]

For those that say Beveridge doesn't make any match day moves.

He took one look at Khamis as second ruck in the first and said * that.

Lets just run English in the ruck for the rest of the game.

I'd expect Lobb to come straight back in next week regardless of form.

I would’ve thought selecting a 189cm player as a second ruck would’ve been known to be a poor move before the game but kudos for realising it mid game I guess.

 

[Here we go dogs]

I’ve denied it for years but lately I’ve been pondering whether 2016 was a fluke after all.

I’m thinking it was not so much a fluke as a happy alignment of several factors:

• new coach bounce/new message/new motivation
• new coach’s innovations (handball club, third man up, etc)
• enough of the quality old guard still around (Moz, MBoyd, Wood, Murphy, Picken)
• alignment of peak years of some players who in some cases had just a brief period of stardom (Clay, Hunter, JJ, Stringer, TBoyd, Libba, Macrae, McLean, etc)
• arrival of a fearless new guard who hadn’t yet learned the underdog mentality (Bont, Dunkley, Daniel etc)

The fact that we still managed to make a GF 5 years later also suggests that 2016 wasn’t a fluke.

However we failed to adapt as well as others to rule changes like No third man up, 6-6-6, and statue-on-the-mark (we retreated 5m for more than a full season).

The game has changed. In 2016 we were innovators and others (most notably Richmond) copied us. Now we are at the trailing edge. We can’t readily copy or even defend against the Collingwood or Port Adelaide attractive style of play because we lack the right type of player. It’s only partly the list quality - it’s as much the poor list balance in critical areas.

Yes I’d love to see what a new coach could do with this list but the problem (and therefore the solution) is not simply and exclusively a coaching one.

The good news is that it might only take the insertion of 4-5 players to get the balance almost right and that 2-3 of them might already be on our list.

I do think we are ready for some fresh ideas at the top and the time is probably right.

However I’m having a bob each way - if we got the balance right we could still go a fair way with Bevo and some quality assistants. The net result of our list changes in the off season is going to be crucial.

Personally think we were the best side in it in 2016. We beat every team outside of Geelong (I firmly believe we had them covered in Geelong before injury struck).

Our home and away season that year was unbelievably understated given the quantum of injuries and in game injuries which meant we played with 2-3 on the bench a number of weeks. I reckon we had 2 bad games for the year (Geelong the home game and Freo which meant nothing). Our defensive system was brilliant.

Spewing they fell asleep in 2017 and they changed the 3rd man up rule. I reckon we should’ve done what Richmond did.

 

[yebach]

Personally think we were the best side in it in 2016. We beat every team outside of Geelong (I firmly believe we had them covered in Geelong before injury struck).

Our home and away season that year was unbelievably understated given the quantum of injuries and in game injuries which meant we played with 2-3 on the bench a number of weeks. I reckon we had 2 bad games for the year (Geelong the home game and Freo which meant nothing). Our defensive system was brilliant.

Spewing they fell asleep in 2017 and they changed the 3rd man up rule. I reckon we should’ve done what Richmond did.

Just remember. Old mate started Wood and JJ as deep forwards that year.
2017 is when Bevo's ego started to become what it is now.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Just remember. Old mate started Wood and JJ as deep forwards that year.

No he didn’t.

 

[tonzdogs]

No he didn’t.

You love defending the coach don’t you? I’m starting to think you’re one his assistant coach mates. There’s no denying the bloke is cooked. We beat a very poor Essendon side last night. First quarter was as bad as we’ve been all season. Next few weeks will tell the story. Selecting Buku and Bruce and playing them both in wrong positions could’ve cost us if we were playing a half decent side

 

[yebach]

No he didn’t.

Yes he did

 

[Tommycash]

You love defending the coach don’t you? I’m starting to think you’re one his assistant coach mates. There’s no denying the bloke is cooked. We beat a very poor Essendon side last night. First quarter was as bad as we’ve been all season. Next few weeks will tell the story. Selecting Buku and Bruce and playing them both in wrong positions could’ve cost us if we were playing a half decent side

All he said was you were wrong that Wood and JJ started 2017 as forwards. Wood was moved there in 2018 as was JJ after both had quite poor years in 2017.

Easton Wood looking forward to position change

As an aside, Buku and Bruce have played those roles in the VFL (and Bruce in the AFL) all year. Would seem to be much more dangerous for them to switch positions late in the year compared to attempting the switch in pre-season.

 

[yebach]

All he said was you were wrong that Wood and JJ started 2017 as forwards. Wood was moved there in 2018 as was JJ after both had quite poor years in 2017.

Easton Wood looking forward to position change

As an aside, Buku and Bruce have played those roles in the VFL (and Bruce in the AFL) all year. Would seem to be much more dangerous for them to switch positions late in the year compared to attempting the switch in pre-season.

Sorry Charlie. all the Bevo years of doing crazy s**t have blurred my ability to remember which particular year it was.
What year was it when he played Caleb at Full Back?

 

[_Mike_]

For those that say Beveridge doesn't make any match day moves.

He took one look at Khamis as second ruck in the first and said * that.

Lets just run English in the ruck for the rest of the game.

I'd expect Lobb to come straight back in next week regardless of form.

Unfortunately it took losses against the Suns, Geelong, Swans and Port at Marvel for Bevo to realise that the game plan has to adapt to the game.

The team could have been sitting pretty in the top 3

 

[maddog37]

What was it he said in his presser about something changing during the game and we could learn from it and use it in the future?

 

[lachy]

Whatever happens we really need to invest a lot more in support for the senior coach to spread the load as much as tweaking our game plan to one more sustainable over time

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[stefoid]

A wins a win, but Essendon was so crap at the clearances and contested footy that it was hard to get a read on them last night. Their midfield was absolueltly woeful after 1/4 time. I didnt think we showed any particualr improvement in bringing the ball up the field.

 

[Next Waiting]

What was it he said in his presser about something changing during the game and we could learn from it and use it in the future?

He did say that but didn't elaborate as to what it was and I don't imagine he will.

Seems like a challenge for the more analytical minds on the board.

The only thing I noticed was that VDM was forward and back at different times and may even have attended a stoppage midfieldish. But my viewing was hazy and I'm not going to watch it again so am unlikely to solve the puzzle.

 

[1961grandfinal]

Whatever happens we really need to invest a lot more in support for the senior coach to spread the load as much as tweaking our game plan to one more sustainable over time

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Change yes but it doesn’t mean that the senior coach goes. He has the contract extension but the club has to spend more of the soft cap and surround him with some assistants with ideas to update structure and ball movement.