Sayers has made his entire career from taking credit for others people's good work and blaming everyone else when he makes a mistake.
So yes he will happily sack Voss and make Voss the fall guy to save his own skin.
He's a creep.
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Prediction Does Voss get the sack if Carlton miss finals in 2023?
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So yes he will happily sack Voss and make Voss the fall guy to save his own skin.
He's a creep.
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It's worth repeating that Carlton needs to recognize that two harsh truths can be true at once: your list is sh*t AND your coach is sh*t.
You desperately need to avoid the coach vs list false dichotomy that people are fixated on.
Otherwise you will end up thinking a new coach will solve your list problems or you will end up being stuck with a bad coach while improving the list. Either is a bad outcome.
You desperately need to avoid the coach vs list false dichotomy that people are fixated on.
Otherwise you will end up thinking a new coach will solve your list problems or you will end up being stuck with a bad coach while improving the list. Either is a bad outcome.
Sqotty from office works
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Every coach since Pagan has either been a fill in or a reactionary.
We're choosing coaches on what flavour was good 2 years ago.
David Parkin was their best coach
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Yeah I think he will.
- Brett Ratten got the boot from St Kilda after 3 seasons and he even made a final + won one in his first year.
- Ben Rutten was sacked from Essendon after two seasons despite making finals in his first year.
Both Essendon and St Kilda didn’t have as much prime talent on their list as Carlton does now. And Voss is struggling to put them in finals contention right now, let alone actually making it.
I think Voss will go if they don’t make finals. Maybe he’ll go even before that.
- Brett Ratten got the boot from St Kilda after 3 seasons and he even made a final + won one in his first year.
- Ben Rutten was sacked from Essendon after two seasons despite making finals in his first year.
Both Essendon and St Kilda didn’t have as much prime talent on their list as Carlton does now. And Voss is struggling to put them in finals contention right now, let alone actually making it.
I think Voss will go if they don’t make finals. Maybe he’ll go even before that.
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Playing group need to take more responsibility.
Cripps was horrible.
Charlie was woeful in front of goal.
Docherty played the outside role when the whips were cracking.
And what’s happened to Young?
Carlton fans were lauding his recruitment along with Hewett last year as masterstrokes.
Are they really just not that good?
Cripps was horrible.
Charlie was woeful in front of goal.
Docherty played the outside role when the whips were cracking.
And what’s happened to Young?
Carlton fans were lauding his recruitment along with Hewett last year as masterstrokes.
Are they really just not that good?
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He is listed at 194cm (which surprised me). Possibly a tall back? He just needs to find a spot and work on it over preseason.
AFL need to step in and dissolve the entire Carlton Board.
Put in some technocrats from head office to run it for 6 months an then run fresh elections for all Board spots in November.
The entire culture of the joint and the cult of Sayers is corrupt to to the core. Rotten rotten rotten. Bloke is a total spiv.
Put in some technocrats from head office to run it for 6 months an then run fresh elections for all Board spots in November.
The entire culture of the joint and the cult of Sayers is corrupt to to the core. Rotten rotten rotten. Bloke is a total spiv.
We've heard exactly this for over twenty years now .
They finished bottom in 2002.
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You think that’s wild I heard that Captain Cripps found a horses head in bed this morning.
They don’t f around on Lygon Street.
Hate on Voss all you like
But he's not the one out there that's missing shots at goal like the 18-22 players are week in week out!
He can only give them so much tactical advice, it's up to the players to perform on the day.
But he's not the one out there that's missing shots at goal like the 18-22 players are week in week out!
He can only give them so much tactical advice, it's up to the players to perform on the day.
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What you’re saying is true in general but not in Carlton’s case in my opinion. I think they have an average coach with a list that only needs a bit of tweaking to make them competitive in the modern game.
They just need more speed in the midfield, a faster tempo gamestyle, and a coach that does not put Young on Wright for most of the match while keeping Weitering on Weideman.
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Carlton aren’t noobs at this coach sacking business. They know there is too much heat on them right now and will wait until later on to sack Vossy.
Then we start the next 1-2hr journey with the new Carlton coach.
Then we start the next 1-2hr journey with the new Carlton coach.
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Pretty sure that was done by Essendon supporters after some of the umpiring decisions in the VFL yesterday.
The stairway to hell.
They kinda were (last year). Hewett has had an injury interupted first half of this year then the concussion a few weeks back, just hasn't had been able to get any continuity.
Young yeah, have been a moderate fan but watching him last night think I finally flipped, don't think he's viable long term. Can probably make it work in a team thats up and about with Weitering and Saad dominating (first half of last year), but man does he look lost when he's under pressure or pretty much any time at ground level, real dear in the headlights stuff.
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Difficult to kick goals when the vast majority of your shots are 50 plus/wide/under pressure.
System is definitely to blame as much as players missing a few they should kick.
It may be time for Carlton to admit Michael Voss is not the man for the job | Jonathan Horn
Blues coach was a magnificent footballer but after an abysmal season-and-a-half the reality is he hasn’t made it work at the club
Here’s the reality. Last night, Voss’s Carlton had eleven players who were top 20 selections in their draft. That included two No 1 picks, a No 3, a pair of Coleman medallists and a Brownlow medallist. They kicked six goals. They lost their eighth game in nine weeks. Their key forwards can’t kick straight. Their midfielders can’t hit the broad side of a barn. They let Essendon, hardly an offensive juggernaut, slam on six goals in 15 minutes. They laid 37 tackles – their lowest tally in eight years. They can’t move the ball. They can’t score. They’re no good.
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It's starting to feel like Voss may become more remembered as Crazy Vossy the multiple time failed coach, than Michael Voss the superstar triple premiership player.
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Brittain was sacked too. Back in 2002 after they won the spoon.
It may be time for Carlton to admit Michael Voss is not the man for the job | Jonathan Horn
Blues coach was a magnificent footballer but after an abysmal season-and-a-half the reality is he hasn’t made it work at the clubwww.theguardian.com
Here’s the reality. Last night, Voss’s Carlton had eleven players who were top 20 selections in their draft. That included two No 1 picks, a No 3, a pair of Coleman medallists and a Brownlow medallist. They kicked six goals. They lost their eighth game in nine weeks. Their key forwards can’t kick straight. Their midfielders can’t hit the broad side of a barn. They let Essendon, hardly an offensive juggernaut, slam on six goals in 15 minutes. They laid 37 tackles – their lowest tally in eight years. They can’t move the ball. They can’t score. They’re no good.
Their one win was against West Coast.
I can understand Carlton having both the sunk cost fallacy and thinking that after a series of short-lived coaching stints making the club unstable, they are reticent to sack Voss. That is all fair enough, particularly the 2nd point. The way to deal with this is the old-fashioned review. Perhaps it is just more support for Voss, perhaps he needs to be moved on. As far as the list goes, perhaps the list just needs to add some pace to 12th-25th players, perhaps they need to try something like trading out McKay to free up salary cap room and get two extra first-round picks so they have 4 first rounders this year and the next.
Jonothan Brown makes a good point that Sydney would be the perfect suitor for McKay, perhaps it is Papley and a 2nd rounder for McKay (it might work this time) then mature age ruck depth and ship off De Koning for a couple of outside mids or flankers who have pace and skills.
Either way, they're not going to make the finals this year. They are in no man's land, like the other thread says, so they need to carefully consider their moves. The system as a whole isn't working, but they have some supreme top-end talent coming into their prime or in it. Moves need to be made now or this build will just wither on the vine. A review allows them to consider all aspects of the department and gives them confidence in making hard calls. With 10 games to go and no chance of making the finals they can go in-depth with a month of research and a detailed report completed a few weeks before the season ends.
That timing allows them to sack the coach and get a good one before the trade period. That allows them to start shopping around talent that will help them rejig their list.
As an Essendon supporter it is in my DNA to hate Carlton the most! However, it is just not good for the game if a club that can draw 40k to a game against an interstate team, be the dance partner for 100k blockbusters and improve the TV ratings by 500k a game wastes another build. I agree with the concept of an even competition, I'd hate for the AFL to turn into the EPL. However, we can't have clubs like Essendon, Carlton and Richmond be absolute poo for multiple decades, like Richmond was up until recent success and the other two have been since 2001. I obviously hope this list does not win a premiership, but the AFL needs this Carlton to be there and there about for 3-5 years.
They also need the organisation to be professional enough that when this team ages and they need a rebuild we don't see them languishing down winning spoons and being uncompetitive for more than a season or two.
We need them losing grand finals and prelims, not to a rebuilding side like Essendon to make them tumble into the top 4 when they have a team who's demographics say they should have their window open. Have some pride Carlton.
Jonothan Brown makes a good point that Sydney would be the perfect suitor for McKay, perhaps it is Papley and a 2nd rounder for McKay (it might work this time) then mature age ruck depth and ship off De Koning for a couple of outside mids or flankers who have pace and skills.
Either way, they're not going to make the finals this year. They are in no man's land, like the other thread says, so they need to carefully consider their moves. The system as a whole isn't working, but they have some supreme top-end talent coming into their prime or in it. Moves need to be made now or this build will just wither on the vine. A review allows them to consider all aspects of the department and gives them confidence in making hard calls. With 10 games to go and no chance of making the finals they can go in-depth with a month of research and a detailed report completed a few weeks before the season ends.
That timing allows them to sack the coach and get a good one before the trade period. That allows them to start shopping around talent that will help them rejig their list.
As an Essendon supporter it is in my DNA to hate Carlton the most! However, it is just not good for the game if a club that can draw 40k to a game against an interstate team, be the dance partner for 100k blockbusters and improve the TV ratings by 500k a game wastes another build. I agree with the concept of an even competition, I'd hate for the AFL to turn into the EPL. However, we can't have clubs like Essendon, Carlton and Richmond be absolute poo for multiple decades, like Richmond was up until recent success and the other two have been since 2001. I obviously hope this list does not win a premiership, but the AFL needs this Carlton to be there and there about for 3-5 years.
They also need the organisation to be professional enough that when this team ages and they need a rebuild we don't see them languishing down winning spoons and being uncompetitive for more than a season or two.
We need them losing grand finals and prelims, not to a rebuilding side like Essendon to make them tumble into the top 4 when they have a team who's demographics say they should have their window open. Have some pride Carlton.
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