Autopsy Dogs defeat Dees 110-100 - Redemption

[stefcep]

Really don’t get the calls for Sweet in for Bruce.

English was good in the middle.

Bruce in forwardline has meant JUH and Naughton get better opportunities.

Am I missing something??

Bruce is not match fit. What we seem to be saying even if Bruce doesn't actually get a single possession he's in the team to act as a decoy to clear a path for JUH and Naughton. Persoanlly I don;t think our forward line can afford that luxury.

 

[Shacf501]

Ok that leaves Dunkley who IMO is too slow or...... Treloar.

Here's a thought, get young west into the rotation....

 

[Shacf501]

Just an update on Mrs Shacf.... spent $150 dollars at Victoria Secret today! The thing you do for a win!!

 

[willofwest]

Very fine line. He took his eyes off the ball towards Bruce to work out where to shove him. Obvious free kick to me.

I rewatched the game dees guys do do a lot of pushing in back. ( just my unbiased ( ha ha) opinion

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Id have Bont or Smith always lining up on the defensive side of the contest, ready to run forward if it looks like we are getting hands on it, or defend if they do - its not rocket science is it?

We set up like that most weeks just with different personnel at different times.

Last night was no exception.

Anyone who wants to know what went wrong for a lot of the first half centre clearances that Melbourne got, go and have a look at the replay. Centre bounce at 10:57 to go in the 2nd quarter the perfect example.

Our mids are at 3 and 9 o’clock. We also sit our 3rd mid with their sweeper.

Bont at 9 o’clock, gets caught ball watching, gets pushed under the the ball, loses Viney behind him. Ball gets knocked Melbourne’s way from the contest, Viney gets 2 metres on Bont before he realises. Balls cleared Melbourne’s way without any pressure.

There were several occasions where similar happened in the first half. We were poor at holding defensive side. Allowing Melbourne’s mids to get goal side and clear air forward of the contest.

It wasn’t tactical changes or anything like in the second half, Our mids were just better at holding defensive side (goal side) and didn’t concede the space. It didn’t allow Melbourne to get clear fwd of the contest without any direct pressure. Not every time, but we were far better in the second half.

We set up like this a lot and are usually pretty effective with it.

The boys obviously just needed a kick up the bum at half time to get them switched on.

Edit: You’re never going to get this right 100% of the time, but being good at it minimises the opportunity for the opposition to get clear, fwd of the contest. And allows us to have an advantage with our 3rd mid fwd of the contest.

We certainly don’t get it right all the time and have been torn up by multiple teams this year when not getting it right.

The reason you’d concede the sweeper role and go the 3rd fwd of the contest (beside the opposition sweeper) is because, if you can get first use of the ball at the centre bounce, you’ve got a player fwd of the ball straight away. They can also defend the opposition from using their sweeper. It’s a massive advantage when you get it right, but can turn to shit if your mids aren’t tight defensively.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Bruce is not match fit. What we seem to be saying even if Bruce doesn't actually get a single possession he's in the team to act as a decoy to clear a path for JUH and Naughton. Persoanlly I don;t think our forward line can afford that luxury.

What does Sweet offer the team that Bruce doesn’t? English is better in the ruck. The team is better when he’s in the ruck.

 

[stefcep]

What does Sweet offer the team that Bruce doesn’t? English is better in the ruck. The team is better when he’s in the ruck.

I'd have Schak over both right now.

 

[doggies ftw]

What does Sweet offer the team that Bruce doesn’t? English is better in the ruck. The team is better when he’s in the ruck.

I’d go Darcy tbh, he’d be no worse than Bruce right now and possibly a lot better and it will be good for his development - and tells us some more info on whether we need Lobb. Kid is not far off it

 

[Fossie 32]

Seems like an anomaly that a minor block as paid against Ed is a free yet May can give Bruce a huge shove in a marking contest which is not focussing on going for the ball.....

 

[ossie_21]

Seems like an anomaly that a minor block as paid against Ed is a free yet May can give Bruce a huge shove in a marking contest which is not focussing on going for the ball.....

Not sure about the blocking free that you mean, I know Dale gave one away which was 100% correct. But the big shove on Bruce was just strength, Bruce actually looked to make contact first but May is both a strong unit and hard to move, he still needs time to build his strength back up.

 

[CDBulldog]

Did anyone notice the obvious push in the back on Buku by Fritch just before the Dale spoil of the year. just another example.

 

[CDBulldog]

Not sure about the blocking free that you mean, I know Dale gave one away which was 100% correct. But the big shove on Bruce was just strength, Bruce actually looked to make contact first but May is both a strong unit and hard to move, he still needs time to build his strength back up.

Not sure about the blocking free that you mean, I know Dale gave one away which was 100% correct. But the big shove on Bruce was just strength, Bruce actually looked to make contact first but May is both a strong unit and hard to move, he still needs time to build his strength back up.

I point you to the AFL rule book 2022, 18.5 (b) which states (under subsection Marking frees) - a filed jmpire shall award a free kick in a marking contest against a player where the player unduly pushes or bumps an opposition player. It’s a fine line based on interpretation. Note, there is a seperate rule for pushes in the back.

 

[ossie_21]

I point you to the AFL rule book 2022, 18.5 (b) which states (under subsection Marking frees) - a filed jmpire shall award a free kick in a marking contest against a player where the player unduly pushes or bumps an opposition player. It’s a fine line based on interpretation. Note, there is a seperate rule for pushes in the back.

It wasn’t an unduly push, it was a marking contest and the stronger player won. The ball was coming in and it was a push in the side, the type of contest that happens in every game. Would be differently interpreted if it was a push when a player is jumping for the mark etc

 

[doggiesin08]

Did anyone notice the obvious push in the back on Buku by Fritch just before the Dale spoil of the year. just another example.

Looks fine to me both normal speed and Kayo slow-mo.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

I definately saw Ryan Hargrave palm it down

No it was S Koops

 

[ScottyDogg]

If there is audio somewhere of Mitch Hanna's interview with the ABC after last night's match, I highly recommend you listen to it.

He has future coach written all over him and I can see now why Beveridge has him in the side when we disagree.

Would love to listen to this if anyone has the link. I’ve been a huge critic of his over the journey but always willing to take in new evidence.

 

[Claudonious]

#33 you mean

Actually - I stuffed up, it was 22. He wore 54 in his first season.Cullen could do some brilliant things…and some not so brilliant things.


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[BrisDog]

Bruce is not match fit. What we seem to be saying even if Bruce doesn't actually get a single possession he's in the team to act as a decoy to clear a path for JUH and Naughton. Persoanlly I don;t think our forward line can afford that luxury.

Corrrect - Bruce can’t get a kick but he sends of a kind of warm radiance one cannot put into words.

His role is to celebrate everyone else’s goals.

 

[Some Idiot]

Bruce was pushed directly in the back by Salem a couple of times when he found himself in a mismatch. Now that's just footy, but it hurts when he's already having a quiet one

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Garcia getting a lot of (deserved) praise for his intensity and pressure. But thought Mcneil provided the same too

 

[GetDimmaBack]

I rewatched the game dees guys do do a lot of pushing in back. ( just my unbiased ( ha ha) opinion

They do a lot of hanging on, too.

Especially May.

 

[AFDogs]

Rewatched this last night. What a win. Our games against the Dees have been spectacles.

The good:

• Stayed in it. Dees got a good run on but we didn't drop our heads. Dees are capable of scoring quickly and sapping the life out of teams. The key is to keep in the game despite this.
• English phenomenal against the best ruckman of the last 10 years.
• Midfield broke even (if not beat their midfield)
• Great conversion in front of the sticks. Rarely wasted an opportunity.
• Forward pressure was manic

The bad:

• Bruce horribly out of it. Needs a spell.
• Fritsch seems to go to another level against us

 

[Doggy]

When May turned that ball over to Bont in front of goal in the last quarter, did Melksham tell him that they'd have won if he wasn't playing?

 

[stefcep]

When May turned that ball over to Bont in front of goal in the last quarter, did Melksham tell him that they'd have won if he wasn't playing?

This deserves a wider audience.

 

[Fossie 32]

It wasn’t an unduly push, it was a marking contest and the stronger player won. The ball was coming in and it was a push in the side, the type of contest that happens in every game. Would be differently interpreted if it was a push when a player is jumping for the mark etc

I think the rule is the ball has to be within 10 metres or something? So maybe it was legal. But not just a matter of strength. Bruce could have given May a huge ass push just the same as he got. They weren't just leaning on each other in a test of strength. Maybe all within the rules but it seems wrong. There was another similar incident as well so maybe it's something they practice.