Autopsy Dogs defeat Dees 110-100 - Redemption

[doggies ftw]

Pretty sure they gave Geelong an absolute bath in the prelim in that area.

I think what is the most concerning is the ones they can just walk out the front of the bounce. Puts defenses under enormous pressure. You can mitigate the damage if you force them to go backwides or wide, even if you lose.

It’s something we need to work out for sure, our defence is so vulnerable at the best of times we’re just sitting ducks with the 6-6-6, we really have to just go defensive at times and force the secondary stoppage because even then it allows our defence time to get some more coverage back.

Not every ball up of course but when the other teams on a run of goals, or even when we’ve just scored one ourselves rather than losing that advantage straight away I’d almost rather give up the chance of going forward ourselves just to make sure they don’t. We were so competitive with them all around the ground except for the centre ball ups we just had to sacrifice them and make sure we stop them running it out of the middle at all costs. Our defence just can’t handle that

 

[_Mike_]

Few punch ups in the crowd tonight. Driven mostly by absolutely racist bullshit from s**t faced Dees fan. I hope that campaigner fell down the stairs on his way out as Jamarra nailed the sealer.

for a club with a history of fielding many talented indigenous players that’s piss poor if true

 

[Al dente]

People commenting on Bruce’s game and wanting to replace obviously don’t realise what he’s bringing to the team and just look at stats.

JUH has kicked 8 goals since Bruce returned that’s not a coincidence.

When Naughton went for a rest may didn’t head to JUH he headed to Bruce, because Bruce demands a kpd.

Change him for Schache and watch JUH cop the second best defender and get manhandled again and again.

Also no coincidence that our structure up there and leading patterns have improved the last two weeks. Bruce brings experience and leadership down there.

Is he ready to go? Nope, but are we a better side with him on the field? Absolutely

Bruce's leadership is invaluable, he's a talker, he sticks up for teammates, i watched him police the defenders trying to encroach on the space of our players taking a set shot snap, this is the sort of thing that hasnt been happening in our forward line

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

It’s something we need to work out for sure, our defence is so vulnerable at the best of times we’re just sitting ducks with the 6-6-6, we really have to just go defensive at times and force the secondary stoppage because even then it allows our defence time to get some more coverage back.

Not every ball up of course but when the other teams on a run of goals, or even when we’ve just scored one ourselves rather than losing that advantage straight away I’d almost rather give up the chance of going forward ourselves just to make sure they don’t. We were so competitive with them all around the ground except for the centre ball ups we just had to sacrifice them and make sure we stop them running it out of the middle at all costs. Our defence just can’t handle that

I don’t know if Geelong were making excuses, but they said after that game they had players with gastro.

 

[_Mike_]

What did folks think of Khamis’ game last night? He seems to be having a positive impact down there and improving week after week. He’s a natural defender IIRC

 

[doggies ftw]

Bruce's leadership is invaluable, he's a talker, he sticks up for teammates, i watched him police the defenders trying to encroach on the space of our players taking a set shot snap, this is the sort of thing that hasnt been happening in our forward line

It’s a good point, he is a leader there and I think the boys all bounce off the energy he brings - he’s the father figure of our forward line

 

[Dog 36]

It’s something we need to work out for sure, our defence is so vulnerable at the best of times we’re just sitting ducks with the 6-6-6, we really have to just go defensive at times and force the secondary stoppage because even then it allows our defence time to get some more coverage back.

Not every ball up of course but when the other teams on a run of goals, or even when we’ve just scored one ourselves rather than losing that advantage straight away I’d almost rather give up the chance of going forward ourselves just to make sure they don’t. We were so competitive with them all around the ground except for the centre ball ups we just had to sacrifice them and make sure we stop them running it out of the middle at all costs. Our defence just can’t handle that

Address it definitely real concern. We need to start to win our share to give our forwards an opportunity with the 6-6-6

Naughton JUH Bruce with Cody and West isolated with their defenders is what you want to see.
Give our forwards the opportunity before we and the opposition crowd it up our forwards deserve that.

We have the midfielders to do it Libba Bont Dunkley Smith Treloar list goes on

 

[_Mike_]

Bruce's leadership is invaluable, he's a talker, he sticks up for teammates, i watched him police the defenders trying to encroach on the space of our players taking a set shot snap, this is the sort of thing that hasnt been happening in our forward line

he’s just not match fit or even close to it. That’s the main issue I see with Bruce

 

[doggies ftw]

Address it definitely real concern. We need to start to win our share to give our forwards an opportunity with the 6-6-6

Naughton JUH Bruce with Cody and West isolated with their defenders is what you want to see.
Give our forwards the opportunity before we and the opposition crowd it up our forwards deserve that.

We have the midfielders to do it Libba Bont Dunkley Smith Treloar list goes on

Absolutely, it should be a strength for us and especially against other teams we should back ourselves but I think sometimes we have to be prepared to just lock it down, last night we were so competitive with them everywhere else so we were still finding ways to score, but the centre clearances we were giving up we’re killing us. Would be happy to see realise this in game and just lock it down, even if that means we won’t run out the front of the stoppage ourselves just aim for a secondary stoppage at worst every time to limit their strengths against us

 

[Doggies_13]

Why isn’t a coincidence? We had Sweet instead of Naughton last week and JUH kicked 3 goals. Jamarra has been getting better each week for the month prior and was going to get some rewards at some stage.

If Bruce gets anywhere near back to his best, it’s by far the best structure we have and it’ll be very dangerous. I wouldn’t mind them keeping him in and seeing if he can get back near his top form by the end of the season. I reckon he is at about 20% at the moment and I think it’s disingenuous to say he’s been the difference.

More of factor potentially has been that the last two weeks we’ve played against Saints without a key defender in Dougal Howard and this week against Melbourne without Lever.

It’s not a coincidence because Bruce directs the forward line.

How often have posters been bemoaning that Naughton and JUH keep running to the same spot and that they don’t lead to the right areas.

The last two weeks the forward line has functioned so much better and yes Naughton wasn’t there last week.

Change Bruce for sweet or Schache and the result will be the second best key defender straight to JUH. Sweet has next to zero forward awareness and craft and Schache is not going to direct a young forward line which is exactly what our forwardline is.

Our forward line has lacked leadership and there has been a significant change since Bruce returned. He’s probably going at 50%, no way he is going at only 20% based on his vfl form alone.

May didn’t go to Jamarra because he’s our highest forward and they want May on the deepest. If Darcy or Bruce were there it wouldn’t have changed who played on Jamarra IMO.

I think the most intercept marks last night would have been taken on Bruce, he just wasn’t competitive in the contest and they ran off him, that’s not from looking at the stats it’s from sitting at the game and watching

Overall we did a lot better at bringing the ball to ground then we have in the past which made a big difference to our forward line, and usually that’s Bruce’s biggest strength but I think he was actually a bit detrimental last night in that regard.

It’s nothing against him I bloody love Brucey and he’ll be back, I just don’t think it’s that far fetched to think that Schache or Darcy considering their form might be better options right now. Happy to give him one more week but I suspect he won’t get there this year, I’d play him a fair bit of ruck time in the 2s to try and fast track his match fitness

May generally leaves his man like lever and impacts, petty or Tomlinson are generally the drop off anchor for the dees.

If your unhappy with Bruce being pushed off the ball and outmarked what do you genuinely think would happen to decay given his current build and core strength? He would have been ragdolled by may.

Darcy isn’t ready that obvious and Schache has shown time and again he isn’t up to it. Also neither offer the leadership and direction that Bruce does.

 

[Foxman98]

What did folks think of Khamis’ game last night? He seems to be having a positive impact down there and improving week after week. He’s a natural defender IIRC

Not sold on him completely yet positioning was woeful at times but has all the attributes to be a very good 3rd tall intercept player if he can compose himself and not get drawn out of position so much

 

[Outback Footy]

Now to fix the leaky backline
Dees had something like 20 scores from 25 i50s at one stage.

 

[Dog 36]

What did folks think of Khamis’ game last night? He seems to be having a positive impact down there and improving week after week. He’s a natural defender IIRC

Hasn’t played 10 games at a guess. He has shown enough to persist with before others especially at his age and athletic ability

 

[maddog37]

What did folks think of Khamis’ game last night? He seems to be having a positive impact down there and improving week after week. He’s a natural defender IIRC

If he can one grab his marks he is a keeper.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I'd back him in over Schache, Sweet or any of the other proven spuds. At least we know his best is good enough, unlike the others.

Having said that I'd love it if we gave Darcy a crack.

The thing with Bruce is he has presence, and reputation. And the opposition has no way of knowing when he might turn on another ten-goal game. So they have to pay attention to him. Which means one less of them to try to blanket our other forwards.

I don’t think Schache commands that level of respect by opponents.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

And what others have commented about his leadership is also very important.

 

[ScragCity]

The thing I found most surprising last night was that Luke Darcy got through the entire game without mentioning Buku's "athleticism." Someone must have had a word to him about it.

 

[Fossie 32]

What did folks think of Khamis’ game last night? He seems to be having a positive impact down there and improving week after week. He’s a natural defender IIRC

Very impressed after only a few games

 

[immortalmike]

Best win since the preliminary final. The game I was hoping for in round 1. Better late than never I guess.
Shout out to Marra for showing a glimpse of how good he'll be.

 

[Wetdog]

I get what you’re saying and agree in part but we have to think of the now. Lobb is objectively a much better footballer in 2023 than Sam Darcy. Probably 2024 as well. Whilst him developing is important, making decisions that maximise our window in the NOW is more important than what is best for us in 2024.

Sam is 19 next year and still so very thin. If we sneak him in for 5-7 games in 2023, awesome. If that means Lobb is out then so be it. Work it out when it needs to be worked out.

I tend to agree with this.

Darcy is 19 yo. Lobb is 30 yo.

If we play meaningful finals next year, then we’re looking at a 24-26 game season.

No reason why we cannot manage English, Lobb and Darcy throughout the season.

Maybe Darcy plays 4-8 games in 2023. English and Lobb play 20-22 depending on form and injury.

 

[grassman75]

Id li

Here's a question, does Melbourne kill other sides with their centre clearance game and goals , or is it limited to us ?

Id like to know that too given our much vaunted midfield

 

[jdz101]

I feel like this team was almost our best 22.

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Missing Daniel but a strong side.

Duryea probably in the best team aswell prob.

 

[Sentinel]

Wayne Carey talking about the Bulldogs and trying to equate this season to last - "this footy club, last year they got on a roll heading into finals..."

Lol what

Redemption for Rex Hunt, Wayne Carey truly is the best in the business with this kind of analysis.

 

[stefcep]

Here's a question, does Melbourne kill other sides with their centre clearance game and goals , or is it limited to us ?

I think its a coaching issue, and its mostly us.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

It’s not a coincidence because Bruce directs the forward line.

How often have posters been bemoaning that Naughton and JUH keep running to the same spot and that they don’t lead to the right areas.

The last two weeks the forward line has functioned so much better and yes Naughton wasn’t there last week.

Change Bruce for sweet or Schache and the result will be the second best key defender straight to JUH. Sweet has next to zero forward awareness and craft and Schache is not going to direct a young forward line which is exactly what our forwardline is.

Our forward line has lacked leadership and there has been a significant change since Bruce returned. He’s probably going at 50%, no way he is going at only 20% based on his vfl form alone.

I just think it’s way too simplistic to suggest Bruce is the reason it’s changed. JUH had 3 touches at 3QT and Bruce had 1. I don’t think Jamarra going supernova in the last is because of Bruce’s leadership.

At the moment Bruce cannot jump and has seemingly no body strength, if the May one on one is the evidence. It’s not his fault, he is just back from a significant injury. As I said, I think continuing to play him and letting him get run into the legs is probably still be the best option over the alternatives but we can’t be suggesting the forward line suddenly works because of a guy that has had 5 touches and 0 goals in two weeks.

As much as anything, it appears that actually kicking straight has been a big factor. Per Oliver Gigacz stats, our expected scores have been 64 and 91.