Autopsy Dogs defeat Dees 110-100 - Redemption

[TiAn_]

Bruce’s ability to cast a +3 organisation enchantment over the other forwards just before the bounce proved invaluable.

 

[TiAn_]

Watch other supporters whinge about the “unfair advantage” now that we have a power forward with supernatural abilities.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Our set up is the issue we are far too offensive and it opens us up. Every team we play has a sweeper set up to defend the stoppage yet we never do we then let our opponents get goal side and they get quick easy goals

Setting up this way early in the game was a really odd coaching move. One compounded by the fact that our starting 4 in the middle aren't exactly explosive off the mark. If their ruckman can get the ball out wide to their advantage Oliver and Petracca get to use the burst of speed that they have over our mids to advantage. Without having a second viewing of the game Im not sure what tactical changes Beveridge made to turn things around, but Melbournes centre square advantage didnt seem as pronounced after half time. Maybe it was English's much improved showing or swinging Bailey Smith onto the ball.

What did folks think of Khamis’ game last night? He seems to be having a positive impact down there and improving week after week. He’s a natural defender IIRC

I thought he got caught ball watching a couple of times and was the victim of a blatant Bailey Frisch shove in the back that needed Bailey Dales miraculous intervention to stop a certain goal. Otherwise he was pretty solid and worth persisting with.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Change Bruce for sweet or Schache and the result will be the second best key defender straight to JUH.

Also, I don't think the matchups would've been any different either if you swapped Schache for Bruce. Last week it was Battle or Bruce, Wilkie on Ugle-Hagan and Sharman on Sweet. This week it was May on Naughton, Petty on Ugle-Hagan and Tomlinson on Bruce. I think those matchups are the same if its Schache instead of Bruce (once again I'm not suggesting I'd prefer Bruce out and Schache). The bigger factor in the matchups was that Howard and Lever were unavailable.

Wilkie and Battle were the Saints best players by an absolute mile last week.

 

[Chalky White]

Sweet would have been smashed just as hard in the ruck. If you actually rewatch the last time Sweet played against Melbourne he was absolutely dominated and gave us nothing all game.

He would have been more effective than Bruce. Who doesn't know how to ruck, can't jump or can't run at this stage.
Bruce is giving nothing being in the team, he's had about 6 possessions over two weeks.
If you think he's productive you are looking at the game through different glasses to me.

 

[hutchy31]

Redemption for Rex Hunt, Wayne Carey truly is the best in the business with this kind of analysis.

Idiotic. Lost last three games to drop from top two to fifth, and he can’t even recall that.

The standard of AFL punditry is the worst in any sport I know.

 

[hutchy31]

Watch other supporters whinge about the “unfair advantage” now that we have a power forward with supernatural abilities.

There will (hopefully) be a game in the next few years when Darcy towels up the opposing ruck and Jamarra kicks seven while we win the free kick count 35-12 or something.

The MB will spontaneously combust and it’ll be glorious.

 

[ScragCity]

He would have been more effective than Bruce. Who doesn't know how to ruck, can't jump or can't run at this stage.
Bruce is giving nothing being in the team, he's had about 6 possessions over two weeks.
If you think he's productive you are looking at the game through different glasses to me.

Six disposals over two weeks would be career-best form for big Sweety. I didn't claim Bruce has been productive, just that he's much more useful than Sweet.

 

[CDBulldog]

May didn't even have eyes for the ball in the last quarter when he blatantly shoved Bruce out of the contest. Commentators stroking themselves just too strong in the contest.
For mine that was a free for not allowing a player to contest the ball. Bruce was taking shape to hold his ground and May just took his eyes off the ball to manhandle Bruce. That wasn't a battle of strength it was a player taking another out of the contest who then happened to take it.

Agree. He just looked at Bruce and shoved him. The number of times Melb players, both forwards and backs ouch their man in the shoulders/back and not get pinged has me stumped. If Naughton did what May does (or if they actually call in the back to stop the push) he would have a field day.

 

[Dogsman16]

Agree. He just looked at Bruce and shoved him. The number of times Melb players, both forwards and backs ouch their man in the shoulders/back and not get pinged has me stumped. If Naughton did what May does (or if they actually call in the back to stop the push) he would have a field day.

Steven May is a master at the off the ball stuff. He's extremely good at shoving blokes in the chest or the side to move them off the line the ball.

He did it about 6 times in the grand final and was doing so again last night. In the air or on the ground, he's exceptionally good at getting away with that and arms around.

Same as Hawkins.

 

[stefoid]

It’s not a coincidence because Bruce directs the forward line.

How often have posters been bemoaning that Naughton and JUH keep running to the same spot and that they don’t lead to the right areas.

The last two weeks the forward line has functioned so much better and yes Naughton wasn’t there last week.

Change Bruce for sweet or Schache and the result will be the second best key defender straight to JUH. Sweet has next to zero forward awareness and craft and Schache is not going to direct a young forward line which is exactly what our forwardline is.

Our forward line has lacked leadership and there has been a significant change since Bruce returned. He’s probably going at 50%, no way he is going at only 20% based on his vfl form alone.



May generally leaves his man like lever and impacts, petty or Tomlinson are generally the drop off anchor for the dees.

If your unhappy with Bruce being pushed off the ball and outmarked what do you genuinely think would happen to decay given his current build and core strength? He would have been ragdolled by may.

Darcy isn’t ready that obvious and Schache has shown time and again he isn’t up to it. Also neither offer the leadership and direction that Bruce does.

I think we are confusing the impact of bruce with the impact of moving the ball quickly and directly to a forward line with more open space in it

 

[stefoid]

I think its a coaching issue, and its mostly us.

are we too flat footed around the contest?

seems like our MO is rapid fire handball between stationary players to clear the ball from congestion.

seems like teams that cut us up at the stoppages use forward handball to a running player to clear the ball from congestion.

The upshot is if we dont get the ball, we are flat-footed and the opposition can burst through and kick on the run.
If we do clear the ball to a stationary player, they are easier to harrass or kicking off a step.

Our best clearances are when we get the ball out to a bont or Smith already on the move.

Id have Bont or Smith always lining up on the defensive side of the contest, ready to run forward if it looks like we are getting hands on it, or defend if they do - its not rocket science is it?

 

[Shacf501]

Feeling relaxed today?

I was until Mrs Shacf made me go to DFO in the city and spent $150 at Victoria Secret!!

 

[Kermit]

Come on - clearly it was Mark Cullen, I froze and stepped through frame by frame on the replay - saw the 34 on the back


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

#33 you mean

 

[Shacf501]

I think its a coaching issue, and its mostly us.

I stand by what I said in the game... McRae defensively in the centre struggles as he allows his opponents to hit the ball running. He needs to have more body contact on his opponent. He is sometimes flat footed in the middle... love the guy but this shows. Bont and libba hit the contest moving both offensively and defensively.

Baz is a liability in their at times as well due to lack of physicality

 

[jdz101]

Redemption for Rex Hunt, Wayne Carey truly is the best in the business with this kind of analysis.

By "got on a roll" he meant "lost the last 3 games and choked away an almost certain top 4 position"

 

[Shacf501]

It’s a good point, he is a leader there and I think the boys all bounce off the energy he brings - he’s the father figure of our forward line

Agree but needs to contribute more unfortunately!

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Really don’t get the calls for Sweet in for Bruce.

English was good in the middle.

Bruce in forwardline has meant JUH and Naughton get better opportunities.

Am I missing something??

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

How good was it to see Jacko nail that goal. Wish he’d have more confidence to shoot more. Dude has kicked two of the most important goals in the clubs recent history (2016 prelim, 2021 semi final).

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Also great to see Bont finally look like the player everyone knows he is. Clearly was injured the start of the season. God he’s so good.

 

[CDBulldog]

Steven May is a master at the off the ball stuff. He's extremely good at shoving blokes in the chest or the side to move them off the line the ball.

He did it about 6 times in the grand final and was doing so again last night. In the air or on the ground, he's exceptionally good at getting away with that and arms around.

Same as Hawkins.

Very fine line. He took his eyes off the ball towards Bruce to work out where to shove him. Obvious free kick to me.

 

[Shacf501]

MASSIVE first and last quarter for Garcia.
McNeil was awesome

McNeil is busy but overruns the ball a lot. Notice he looks up a lot when about to pick the ball up. Dont think its because he is worried about getting hit think its more about trying to get the ball of quickly. Just needs to slow down and get his body behind the ball and take contact sometime

 

[stefcep]

are we too flat footed around the contest?

seems like our MO is rapid fire handball between stationary players to clear the ball from congestion.

seems like teams that cut us up at the stoppages use forward handball to a running player to clear the ball from congestion.

The upshot is if we dont get the ball, we are flat-footed and the opposition can burst through and kick on the run.
If we do clear the ball to a stationary player, they are easier to harrass or kicking off a step.

Our best clearances are when we get the ball out to a bont or Smith already on the move.

Id have Bont or Smith always lining up on the defensive side of the contest, ready to run forward if it looks like we are getting hands on it, or defend if they do - its not rocket science is it?

Me too. Bevo said we addressed it in the second half by making sure the half backs did not allow their mids a clean run from the centre into their half forward. Not sure I would rely on that TBH as if they don't get their firts or stick the tackle then they have free men inside half forward.


Back in the day when your ruck was beaten at nearly every cenre bounce, your coach would tell the mids how to "shark it". Maybe thats not an option in the modern game.

 

[Shacf501]

Darcy is showing more signs in his first year at VFL level than Jamarra did in his first year, in my opinion. Considering the injury layoff in particular.

Granted he's not kicking bags of goals but he's consistently taking big marks and has been played in all 3 areas of the ground. I think his breakout game will happen sooner than Jamarra's did.

I think Darcy plays a role next year... forget Lobb...gets injured a heap. Lets lose a mid and go after Grundy!!

 

[stefcep]

I stand by what I said in the game... McRae defensively in the centre struggles as he allows his opens to hit the ball running. he needs to have more body contact on his opponent. He is sometimes flat footed in the middle... love the guy but this shows. Bont and libba hit the contest moving both offensively and defensively.

Baz is a liability in their at times as well due to lack of physicality

Ok that leaves Dunkley who IMO is too slow or...... Treloar.