Opinion Don Pyke general discussion

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Pyke also said:
"I don’t think it was effort it was method and as player and coaches, we have to look at how we set the game up and take responsibility for the result" which is even more mystifying.
If he thinks it was method he's in denial.
Clearly beaten in contested possessions = an effort inferior to your opponents'.

"Take responsibility" reminds me of (was it?) Sanderson or Craig who used to sing the same song --- "We'll OWN that result ...". Never mind about responsibility --- you took the same tactics and effort into the game and got done in the same ways as last year.
Time to select some different players and tell the rest to do something different, as well. TAG Selwood. Protect Sloane. STICK your tackles. STOP bombing aimlessly into the forward 50.

I disagree with this. I thought the players actually cracked in pretty hard but under pressure we did what we have been doing for years. We hacked haphazardly from the contest and ultimately conceded pressureless exits to Geelong once they'd cleared the congestion. We got the ball forward, but without precision we're furqued when it hits the deck. The next bit of pain is that we're a midfielder short so that we can play an extra useless immobile tall who looks great when it's us streaming forward under no pressure but is utterly worthless when we're in hack forward mode.

MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS IS NOT ON THE PLAYERS ANYWHERE NEAR AS MUCH AS IT IS ON THE COACHES.
 

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It feels like we go out of our way to prove that our way will succeed despite constant evidence that it won't. Keep playing Wright, Reilly, Dmac, VB. We don't tag until it's far too late. Do nothing with Sloane despite the fact that the Cats spent a lot of time on curbing his influence. Back him in to beat them, don't put him out on a wing to outrun them or tag Ducker himself. The talls will work up forward even if we struggle to kick to their advantage, conceding pressureless slingshots won't matter, we'll get the ball back deep in defence.

It shits me that we don't force opposition to even bring a plan B or run a couple of what it's. There's just no need. What shits me more is that they don't seem to understand the opportunity cost of their selection decisions.
 
It feels like we go out of our way to prove that our way will succeed despite constant evidence that it won't. Keep playing Wright, Reilly, Dmac, VB. We don't tag until it's far too late. Do nothing with Sloane despite the fact that the Cats spent a lot of time on curbing his influence. Back him in to beat them, don't put him out on a wing to outrun them or tag Ducker himself. The talls will work up forward even if we struggle to kick to their advantage, conceding pressureless slingshots won't matter, we'll get the ball back deep in defence.

It shits me that we don't force opposition to even bring a plan B or run a couple of what it's. There's just no need. What shits me more is that they don't seem to understand the opportunity cost of their selection decisions.

most coaches in the AFL don't have a plan B or if their do fans what plan C,D,E,F,G,H etc.
 
It feels like we go out of our way to prove that our way will succeed despite constant evidence that it won't. Keep playing Wright, Reilly, Dmac, VB. We don't tag until it's far too late. Do nothing with Sloane despite the fact that the Cats spent a lot of time on curbing his influence. Back him in to beat them, don't put him out on a wing to outrun them or tag Ducker himself. The talls will work up forward even if we struggle to kick to their advantage, conceding pressureless slingshots won't matter, we'll get the ball back deep in defence.

It shits me that we don't force opposition to even bring a plan B or run a couple of what it's. There's just no need. What shits me more is that they don't seem to understand the opportunity cost of their selection decisions.
I would love to sit in on selection just to know what rationalisation occurs to make certain decisions. Just as with our trade week debalce, there doesn't seem to be a lot of logic in the process.
 
Are we too 'sectional' in our approach? Players split into forwards, midfielders, defenders. Little groups working in isolation with their structure, their personnel, their line coach, their planned rotations. Is it too structured?

Very difficult for there to be movement across groups or for instance to suddenly play a tagger in one game because that changes our mix. Can't play Gallucci ahead of Mackay because the kid hasn't trained with the defensive group. Can't throw Sloane or Lynch behind the ball because they are structurally important.
I wonder if we have an epic bunker syndrome.

The way Fagan has cut the club off from the outside, it's like they treat external commentary with contempt. Maybe they don't even pay attention. Maybe they are like Hitler in the bunker completely removed from reality just pushing imaginary Dmac magnets around the map board.

Maybe they are just all sycophants and yes men telling the Don what he wants to here. They're not the ones who will get the sack after all. They have seen off a growing list of fuhrers.

Great structures Don. Great system Don. Agreed Don, taggers are not us. Agreed Don, we shouldn't be reactive and man up their spare. Jawohl Don, trust the system. Don, might I suggest we back the experienced players in to respond. No Don, we're not mentally fragile. Agreed Don, its an event not a trend.
 
Im still stunned by that pathetic coaching performance.

Geelong knew everyone knows that stop sloane and you have a good chance of stopping us and you dont let brodie smith run wild on his own. So what did chris scott so, he tagged sloane and smith.

Geelongs three losses have come this year when selwood was tagged so what did adelaide do, let selwood run riot on his own with no tag. Everyone knew that you dont let mackie just run on his own across half back so what did we do, let him do what he liked.

Even during hawthorns hey day one of the keys to beating them was to tag and stop sam mitchell.

I think don pyke is another neil craig and i cant see us going past fourth or fifth if he doesnt change his ways. We must develop a tagger before the end of the year.
 
most coaches in the AFL don't have a plan B or if their do fans what plan C,D,E,F,G,H etc.
Teams spend so long working on plan A they don't really have time to then instruct plan b, which isn't usually an entirely new game plan or anything anyway, which most people seem to expect.
 
Im still stunned by that pathetic coaching performance.

Geelong knew everyone knows that stop sloane and you have a good chance of stopping us and you dont let brodie smith run wild on his own. So what did chris scott so, he tagged sloane and smith.

Geelongs three losses have come this year when selwood was tagged so what did adelaide do, let selwood run riot on his own with no tag. Everyone knew that you dont let mackie just run on his own across half back so what did we do, let him do what he liked.

Even during hawthorns hey day one of the keys to beating them was to tag and stop sam mitchell.

I think don pyke is another neil craig and i cant see us going past fourth or fifth if he doesnt change his ways. We must develop a tagger before the end of the year.
I said this at the start of the year, the best way of countering our lack of A grade mids was to stop one of theirs. We had to develop a tagger.

It was an obvious option for us. Instead we sprung out the bullshit of organic growth. Well there is no reason we couldn't have had both.

Jake Kelly should be our tagger. Has the defensive mindset, has mungrel, can be a pest and has endurance.

It also frees up his half back flank for Doedee and we develop him.

Douglas can take a break from midfield duties because he's too up and down.

And next year recruit some big bodied inside mids, then we can lose the tagger.
 
Teams spend so long working on plan A they don't really have time to then instruct plan b, which isn't usually an entirely new game plan or anything anyway, which most people seem to expect.
Teams don't even have time for goal kicking practice these days. Can't over do that training load...
 
I said this at the start of the year, the best way of countering our lack of A grade mids was to stop one of theirs. We had to develop a tagger.

It was an obvious option for us. Instead we sprung out the bullshit of organic growth. Well there is no reason we couldn't have had both.

Jake Kelly should be our tagger. Has the defensive mindset, has mungrel, can be a pest and has endurance.

It also frees up his half back flank for Doedee and we develop him.

Douglas can take a break from midfield duties because he's too up and down.

And next year recruit some big bodied inside mids, then we can lose the tagger.

Mate Doedee got beaten by a sanfl debutant teenager, good luck with that


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I said this at the start of the year, the best way of countering our lack of A grade mids was to stop one of theirs. We had to develop a tagger.

It was an obvious option for us. Instead we sprung out the bullshit of organic growth. Well there is no reason we couldn't have had both.

Jake Kelly should be our tagger. Has the defensive mindset, has mungrel, can be a pest and has endurance.

It also frees up his half back flank for Doedee and we develop him.

Douglas can take a break from midfield duties because he's too up and down.

And next year recruit some big bodied inside mids, then we can lose the tagger.

I like the idea of using jake kelly as a tagger as well because like you said he has mungel about him and can run all day or maybe luke brown can become the tagger we need. I think the rest of the year we must play a tagger in every game to develop this sort of player. I would have two taggers, one in the midfield and use one to tag their half backer. As good as an attacking team that we are we must develop a defensive style to our game as well.

The two players brad scott shut down was sloane and smith and funny enough his brother chris shuts down the same two players.
 
I like the idea of using jake kelly as a tagger as well because like you said he has mungel about him and can run all day or maybe luke brown can become the tagger we need. I think the rest of the year we must play a tagger in every game to develop this sort of player. I would have two taggers, one in the midfield and use one to tag their half backer. As good as an attacking team that we are we must develop a defensive style to our game as well.

The two players brad scott shut down was sloane and smith and funny enough his brother chris shuts down the same two players.
Not that it would be popular, but if we want a defensive forward to run with their playmaker, Menzel is the man.
 
On that premise we won't be making any changes this week

Basing selection on a single SANFL game is pretty stupid.

Wigg has been our best SANFL player for two years - should one bad game overwrite that? Considering a dominant 38 touch game doesn't earn selection, I can't see how the odd poor game can prevent it.

If a player has been performing consistently, pick them - one bad game shouldn't change that.
 
Basing selection on a single SANFL game is pretty stupid.

Wigg has been our best SANFL player for two years - should one bad game overwrite that? Considering a dominant 38 touch game doesn't earn selection, I can't see how the odd poor game can prevent it.

If a player has been performing consistently, pick them - one bad game shouldn't change that.
That's what I'm saying. If we go by yesterday then nothing changes even though Friday demands it.

Wigg is garbage though, he would add absolutely nothing. No intensity, slightly above average foot skills.
 
Basing selection on a single SANFL game is pretty stupid.

Wigg has been our best SANFL player for two years - should one bad game overwrite that? Considering a dominant 38 touch game doesn't earn selection, I can't see how the odd poor game can prevent it.

If a player has been performing consistently, pick them - one bad game shouldn't change that.
You'd think there's a fair bit going on in Harrison's head when he can't get a game in front of DMac after a 38 touch game. He'll be asking for a trade at season's end, I'm sure of it.
 
You'd think there's a fair bit going on in Harrison's head when he can't get a game in front of DMac after a 38 touch game. He'll be asking for a trade at season's end, I'm sure of it.
He won't need it, he will be delisted and rightly so
 
Untried, has played some very good SANFL football, is probably jack of the club by now. Watch someone else pick him up and give him a crack.
I hope he gets a shot, but he's a smaller version of David Mackay. Would love to be proved wrong
 

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