Autopsy Doomsday - Diabolical Dogs Downed by Blues

[LondonBulldog]

Or the player runs around the static man on the mark and runs 20m and kicks it.
I don't think it's an issue.

As soon as he runs off the mark, anyone can tackle him from the side. If we back off and the player runs straight, non one can tackle him, ump can't call play on until he cross the mark.

I'm going to keep watching it each week but there was a lot of clean deliveries from us backing off.

 

[adogsfan5]

My final bad and this goes for the first two weeks.

We back of the mark by 5 metres. When Carlton marked say on the wing 75 metres from goal, the Dogs players would shuffle back the minimum of 5 metres, something up to 10 metres pending their judgement so they don't have to stand still on the mark.

I sort get the reason behind it, you can move and cut off space yet this happened on numerous occasionsthis week and last.

Carlton man runs his extra 5 to 10 metres of space and bangs it deep into the forward line or because we have all backed off, they run in, then chip it to the centre and then go bang. No pressure on the ball carrier makes it easier to hit targets.

Surely standing on the mark and charging at the player when the ump calls play on works better. Carlton or Melbourne didn't back off the mark, just us, the innovators!

Agreed. Did nothing for us. How many times did they get an easy lead up mark on the wing down the line? I’d rather us just pressure the mark and keep them as closed in as possible.

 

[Mofra]

As soon as he runs off the mark, anyone can tackle him from the side.

Yes... but the protected zone means nobody is near him. It's meant to cut-off the cheap 45^ kick and if we're forcing longer kicks down the line, it's probably working as planned

We have far bigger problems to worry about - 2 goals 7 in the last quarter was diabolical, not to mention a couple of misses late in the 3rd.

Every pre-season I talk about getting Anthony Rocca in as kicking coach. I really think we need to set aside some soft cap money and get a specialist kicking coach in. When 'good' kicks like Marra miss set shots it is definitely an issue.

 

[Golden_6]

As soon as he runs off the mark, anyone can tackle him from the side. If we back off and the player runs straight, non one can tackle him, ump can't call play on until he cross the mark.

I'm going to keep watching it each week but there was a lot of clean deliveries from us backing off.

I think the tactic in our forward half is okay to help with our press but I do agree that there is no reason to do it when the opponent is 60m out from goal. Last night Curnow marked the ball 55m out and we literally had our defender roll back to the 50m arc. It put him within scoring distance but we were just lucky he fluffed the shot.

 

[adogsfan5]

We had some seriously bad moments last night:

• Hannans woeful marking contest against McGovern.
• Richards tackled by O’Brien.
• Gardner losing that contest at half forward against Pittonet.
• Duryea going for the mark in front against Silvagni and being out marked.
• Crozier trying to handball over the top to a dogs player and giving it straight to Durdin at half back.

 

[Mofra]

We had some seriously bad moments last night:

• Hannans woeful marking contest against McGovern.
• Richards tackled by O’Brien.
• Gardner losing that contest at half forward against Pittonet.
• Duryea going for the mark in front against Silvagni and being out marked.
• Crozier trying to handball over the top to a dogs player and giving it straight to Durdin at half back.

That was entirely bad structure up ahead - we had nothing to kick to. Richards was trying to delay the release so we could at least kick to a contest

I have one issue not yet mentioned - Hunter playing forward for the entirety of the first half.
His forte is the ability to cover ground, which is best suited to the wing. I understand he's probably playing the 'JJ' role to run hard defensively to slow down opposition rebound, but it's just not working. Hunter either plays wing or VFL. There is no in-between.

 

[Martyn_30_]

I was only able to get there for the second half so what I saw was the side completely control the game, look tougher, more skilful, gave Carlton very few dangerous entries and ultimately blow the game through missed chances. I don't know what went wrong in the first but the fundamentals of what got the team into a grand final are still there, but mentally they're obviously nowhere near it currently.

 

[ScottyDogg]

Is the Midseason Draft still on? If so, we get the best KPD out there.

We need a young developing key back but that could be young Darcy for all we know.

Our backs are fine if we get the spine of our team selected appropriately.

I have do doubts whatsoever of a combination of Keath, OBrien, and Cordy/Gards.

But we must play 2 rucks. This ensures Tim is also back there sweeping the sky’s.

As we saw last night, having an additional true Forward in Marra is a revelation up front. With Sweet in English can also present up there as well.

It makes so much ****ing sense!!!

 

[Mofra]

I was only able to get there for the second half so what I saw was the side completely control the game, look tougher, more skilful, gave Carlton very few dangerous entries and ultimately blow the game through missed chances. I don't know what went wrong in the first but the fundamentals of what got the team into a grand final are still there, but mentally they're obviously nowhere near it currently.

I actually though the third quarter may have been a turning point for the side - proof when the chips are down, we can win ugly.|
Unfortunately we just couldn't take our chances in the last quarter. 9 scoring shots and at least one more kick that was rushed out of bounds.

 

[adogsfan5]

That was entirely bad structure up ahead - we had nothing to kick to. Richards was trying to delay the release so we could at least kick to a contest

I have one issue not yet mentioned - Hunter playing forward for the entirety of the first half.
His forte is the ability to cover ground, which is best suited to the wing. I understand he's probably playing the 'JJ' role to run hard defensively to slow down opposition rebound, but it's just not working. Hunter either plays wing or VFL. There is no in-between.

Hunter was really good in the second half.. yep where we all knew where.. ON THE WING

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

That was entirely bad structure up ahead - we had nothing to kick to. Richards was trying to delay the release so we could at least kick to a contest

I have one issue not yet mentioned - Hunter playing forward for the entirety of the first half.
His forte is the ability to cover ground, which is best suited to the wing. I understand he's probably playing the 'JJ' role to run hard defensively to slow down opposition rebound, but it's just not working. Hunter either plays wing or VFL. There is no in-between.

The most frustrating part of this is that Hunter's role - the role he has played well for his whole career - seems to have been taken over by Roarke, who is now getting first dibs and pushing Hunter into other positions.

Now, don't get me wrong - Roarke has been valuable for us over the past couple of years, and I was wrong about him...but there is absolutely no conceivable way in which he is a better wingman than Hunter.

 

[Golden_6]

That was entirely bad structure up ahead - we had nothing to kick to. Richards was trying to delay the release so we could at least kick to a contest

I have one issue not yet mentioned - Hunter playing forward for the entirety of the first half.
His forte is the ability to cover ground, which is best suited to the wing. I understand he's probably playing the 'JJ' role to run hard defensively to slow down opposition rebound, but it's just not working. Hunter either plays wing or VFL. There is no in-between.

Also agree on this. Hunter had a pretty good second half. He cannot play forward at all. He's horrible around goals and slows the play on fast breaks. If he isn't played a hard running outside link man on the wing then he shouldn't play at AFL.

 

[_Mike_]

The most frustrating part of this is that Hunter's role - the role he has played well for his whole career - seems to have been taken over by Roarke, who is now getting first dibs and pushing Hunter into other positions.

This has been one of my major criticisms of Bevo, continually playing players out of position.

 

[Mofra]

The most frustrating part of this is that Hunter's role - the role he has played well for his whole career - seems to have been taken over by Roarke, who is now getting first dibs and pushing Hunter into other positions.

Now, don't get me wrong - Roarke has been valuable for us over the past couple of years, and I was wrong about him...but there is absolutely no conceivable way in which he is a better wingman than Hunter.

No, he isnt. He's more defensive though and should be winning alongside the opposition's most dangerous wingman, with Hunter on the opposite wing.
Hannan was on some wing rotations and I don't rate Hannan as a wingman either. He blocks well for Naughton so should be swapping between deep forward and high forward roles.

 

[dergert]

I would like to see hunter deep forward. He has the X factor and silk.

I recall early last year he spent brief periods there and looked alright.

 

[doggie dog]

To put it terms we can all understand our lack of developing or in fact any KPDs is akin to the situation of the Cuban Symphony Orchestra in the time of Che Guevara’s rule. Che loved his brass section, some say it was the best brass section in the world. Even so he kept recruiting more and more brass musicians to the exclusion of all others, particularly in the keyboards section. They did ok but at some stage you get to Tchaikovsky’s piano concerto on the playlist and boy they sucked. Big time.

That is an awesome left-field way to describe our lack of KPD players.
Lets just say we traded lippi and baz to the pies and got back Darcy Moore and a future pie 2nd rounder.
Trade that 2nd rounder for a Backup Ruck/KPD
What sweet music could the dogs be playing?

 

[doggie dog]

I would like to see hunter deep forward. He has the X factor and silk.

I recall early last year he spent brief periods there and looked alright.

Hunter cannot kick remotely accurately at goals, Worse than Timmy and Dunks who missed everything last night.
Hunter also fails to hit regular targets by foot.
If Hunter gets moved, I would like to see him in the guts, He has a massive tank and silky handball skills.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

shattered about the start of season.

wernt we ranked very bad last season at defending 1v1 def duels?

what would i give to have lake and morris

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

No, he isnt. He's more defensive though and should be winning alongside the opposition's most dangerous wingman, with Hunter on the opposite wing.
Hannan was on some wing rotations and I don't rate Hannan as a wingman either. He blocks well for Naughton so should be swapping between deep forward and high forward roles.

I agree that Roarke is more defensive, the problem is that there aren't many successful teams in the league who play a defensive specialist wingman. We need one because of how ****ing atrocious our midfield's defence is, which is the problem in the first place.

 

[bullish23]

Or the player runs around the static man on the mark and runs 20m and kicks it.
I don't think it's an issue.

Bevo’s a genius and the other 17 coaches are clueless. We are the only ones that do it.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Full stats report coming in a bit but here are the expected scores...

Expected Score - Full Time
WB: 86
CA: 69

Our expected score in the last quarter was 25 and we scored 19 with an accuracy of 22% and an expected accuracy of 36%. So even though we had plenty of shots in that last quarter they were in the wrong places.

I assume the club has access to the exact same stats? Hopefully they are identifying the main issues but the solutions and execution are proving problematic. Is that the fault of the players, coaches, the opposition's counter moves being superior, or just the dynamics of individual games? Or a combination? It's all too hard.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Ah, yes you do, if you're a football player who has fainted during the middle of a game, in a football stadium with plenty of medical staff on hand. An ECG would be the first thing they do in that situation to assess if its a cardiac issue or not.

I've had a similar issue in the past myself, post exercise. Immediate ambulance call and check of the heart by ECG. Followed up by a stress echo a few weeks down the track. All turned out fine for me but they take it very seriously, until they can rule out the worst.

I blacked out momentarily during an early morning jog. Failed to warm up properly . But, being young at the time, never thought it was serious, just got up and went home. No issues since

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

You know what frustrates me? The criticism of Treloar when we picked him up was that he isn't accountable and doesn't run both ways.

Now, that's true to some extent. His pressure certainly isn't great and he can lose his opponent more than I'd like. But Treloar is one of the only mids that I watched consistently provide a layer of defence behind the ball, or hold himself out of congested contests, or actually wait until we have clean possession to take off.

If Treloar's defensive game is so poor, what does that say about the rest of our mids at the moment?

 

[Foxman98]

You know what frustrates me? The criticism of Treloar when we picked him up was that he isn't accountable and doesn't run both ways.

Now, that's true to some extent. His pressure certainly isn't great and he can lose his opponent more than I'd like. But Treloar is one of the only mids that I watched consistently provide a layer of defence behind the ball, or hold himself out of congested contests, or actually wait until we have clean possession to take off.

If Treloar's defensive game is so poor, what does that say about the rest of our mids at the moment?

He would be leading our B&F after 2 rounds one of the few shining lights

 

[Libbaaaa]

Few more thoughts now that the disappointed has subsided a bit.

- Last year we beat them with Sweet solo rucking (albeit with a fit and firing Josh Bruce

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Josh Bruce

Age

32

Ht

198cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

90.4

1star

D

8.9

2star

K

3.5

1star

HB

5.4

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

90.4

2star

D

11.2

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.8

3star

as well). Timmy was fantastic in all areas except the ruck. Someone mentioned earlier the Blues got all the hit outs to advantage early, it was worse than that. I think it took until the 4th quarter for Tim to even show up on the screen when they showed hit outs to advantage. He simply cannot ruck against brute Ruckman, even if they are a journeyman spud like Pitto.

- We have nobody with closing speed in defence. Curnow who hadn’t played for 3 years easily got 5m on all our guys, same with McKay.

- I lost count how many times we had 3 guys fly for the ball against 1 or 2 Blues players. Happened in both attack and defence. We have zero crumbing presence (where the hell are Vanders and Cody?). 2-3 times we were in a dangerous position about 40m our from our goal and within 5-10 seconds Carlton had kicked a goal.

- Twice Vanders and Hunter were our sole targets when entering F50, simply unacceptable in the third quarter. Simply unacceptable.