Strategy Draft assistance 2023 [Twomey: NMFC get #19 in 2023, x2 end of 1st rd picks in 2024, and x2 extra rookie list spots in 2024; no Sanders/#11]

[Val Keating]

To me it seems as though we will receive multiple draft picks but with the condition they will have to be traded out for established players.

The problem with that is if good experienced players move they’re generally chasing a flag, so I think it’ll be hard to get decent players to join a wooden spoon team just because their clubs might want a higher draft pick.

 

[imtheduck]

The problem with that is if good experienced players move they’re generally chasing a flag, so I think it’ll be hard to get decent players to join a wooden spoon team just because their clubs might want a higher draft pick.

Yeah I agree, the incentives will have to be $$$, potential coaching roles post football and the hope that we rebound up the ladder quicker than most would expect.

 

[Val Keating]

Yeah I agree, the incentives will have to be $$$, potential coaching roles post football and the hope that we rebound up the ladder quicker than most would expect.

Anyone decent in the 25-28 bracket is going to have the opportunity to go to a club in contention.

Anyone above that age shouldn’t cost much trade wise, see the players that Clarko let go. Iirc the clubs they went to gave up bugger all picks wise to get them.

And we’ve offered big money whilst in a better position with no luck. Don’t want to be like StKilda, or even North under Scott and just top up. We need to go to the draft and aim for sustained success.

 

[Lomas]

Anyone decent in the 25-28 bracket is going to have the opportunity to go to a club in contention.

Anyone above that age shouldn’t cost much trade wise, see the players that Clarko let go. Iirc the clubs they went to gave up bugger all picks wise to get them.

And we’ve offered big money whilst in a better position with no luck. Don’t want to be like StKilda, or even North under Scott and just top up. We need to go to the draft and aim for sustained success.

Yep, they should just give us pick 11 and 19 now and then everyone can be happy/unhappy with how we go for the rest of the year.

 

[Val Keating]

Yep, they should just give us pick 11 and 19 now and then everyone can be happy/unhappy with how we go for the rest of the year.

No one wants other clubs getting priority picks. I know I didn’t like it when North got shuffled back in the draft order because of it, but what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[Lomas]

No one wants other clubs getting priority picks. I know I didn’t like it when North got shuffled back in the draft order because of it, but what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

And this way teams that miss out on the finals aren't disadvantaged, and the finalists only shuffle back one.

 

[blackshadow]

if we sign a certain coach who has been telling out of contract players to hold off resigning...

Do tell.

 

[Lomas]

I suspect the number of F/S selections to Geelong have fully compensated their own unfair advantage.

And they are uniquely positioned for the go home factor.

 

[Harris 10]

I think there might be a few interested in us if we sign a certain coach who has been telling out of contract players to hold off resigning...

Tom Rockcliff went on radio with it in Feb and it’s been mentioned a few times since.

Home – Triple M

www.triplem.com.au

 

[imtheduck]

Do tell.

There is talk that Clarkson has been telling OOC players to hold off resigning with their clubs in anticipation of him getting another coaching gig.

 

[joegreen]

There is talk that Clarkson has been telling OOC players to hold off resigning with their clubs in anticipation of him getting another coaching gig.

Who is OOC at Hawthorn?

 

[Val Keating]

Who is OOC at Hawthorn?

Jack Gunston (unrestricted free agent), Daniel Howe (unrestricted free agent), Emerson Jeka, Mitchell Lewis, Ben McEvoy (unrestricted free agent), Harry Morrison, Tom Phillips, Liam Shiels (unrestricted free agent), Chad Wingard

Edit- That’s an old article. Lewis has signed till 2026.

Apologies. Disregard

 

[giantroo]

Jack Gunston (unrestricted free agent), Daniel Howe (unrestricted free agent), Emerson Jeka, Mitchell Lewis, Ben McEvoy (unrestricted free agent), Harry Morrison, Tom Phillips, Liam Shiels (unrestricted free agent), Chad Wingard

Gunston's name I've heard is a player of interest.

 

[giantroo]

"What the club needs is mature bodies to help set standards and carry the club forward."

The AFL made the correct call in not giving Carlton a priority pick

The reasoning may not be what you think.

www.sen.com.au

The Blues will be able to pre-list two players who have previously been eligible for the draft or previously played with an AFL club, while the Suns will have access to three players.

More help but no priority picks for Blues, Suns

Cellar-dwellers get first crack at state league players, but no extra draftees

www.afl.com.au

 

[Themanbun]

Jack Gunston (unrestricted free agent), Daniel Howe (unrestricted free agent), Emerson Jeka, Mitchell Lewis, Ben McEvoy (unrestricted free agent), Harry Morrison, Tom Phillips, Liam Shiels (unrestricted free agent), Chad Wingard

Jeka could be a chance as a DFA.

 

[Themanbun]

I think there might be a few interested in us if we sign a certain coach who has been telling out of contract players to hold off resigning...

And we will!

 

[Val Keating]

Jeka could be a chance as a DFA.

I searched players out of contract and that came up per club, but it’s an old article. Some of those players have re signed

 

[Val Keating]

This is from footy wire

 

[Mixed Results]

The AFL have eliminated the value of pre-listing mature players with the introduction of the MSD.

We had the opportunity to essentially pre-list a player in June and passed.

I also doubt the AFL gives us a draft pick that adds to our pile of young talent and does nothing to help us in the short term.

Any assistance given will likely be in the form of some kind of asset that we are forced to trade. If the club goes down this path, it’s likely they have already agreed to terms with a player who could be traded for pick 11 or whatever asset that we end up getting.

 

[giantroo]

The AFL have eliminated the value of pre-listing mature players with the introduction of the MSD.

We had the opportunity to essentially pre-list a player in June and passed.

I also doubt the AFL gives us a draft pick that adds to our pile of young talent and does nothing to help us in the short term.

Any assistance given will likely be in the form of some kind of asset that we are forced to trade. If the club goes down this path, it’s likely they have already agreed to terms with a player who could be traded for pick 11 or whatever asset that we end up getting.

Carlton basically traded their pre-listed mature picks for draft picks. Hopefully if we get picks (let's say mid first, end of first), we can work something into getting more picks and players.



Trade 1: Carlton received pick No.43 from Geelong in exchange for its access to SANFL forward Nathan Kreuger (pre-listed state-league player).

Trade 2: The Blues acquired Mitch Govern and a future third-round pick from the Crows. Carlton sent its future fifth-round pick and its access to pre-listed state-league player Shane McAdam to Adelaide, while sending pick Nos.24 and 26 to Sydney. Adelaide secured Sydney’s first-round pick (No.13) and sent pick No.40 to the Swans.

Trade wrap: Blues sign four



In:

Mitch McGovern (Adelaide)
Alex Fasolo (Collingwood)
Will Setterfield (GWS)
Nic Newman (Sydney)
Pick No.71 (GWS)
Future third-round pick (Adelaide)

Out:

Access to state-league recruit Nathan Kreuger (Geelong)
Access to state-league recruit Shane McAdam (Adelaide)
Pick Nos.26 and 28 (Sydney)
Future fifth-round pick (Adelaide)
Future fourth-round pick


As for Gold Coast, they signed Corbett and Burgess.

GOLD Coast has signed two state league players as part of the special assistance handed to it by the AFL.

Werribee VFL player Josh Corbett and West Adelaide SANFL player Chris Burgess have joined the Suns as special pre-listed assistance selections. Gold Coast is permitted to pick three players from the state leagues.

AFL trade period 2018: Gold Coast signs state league players Josh Corbett and Chris Burgess

Suns sign state league stars after special AFL assistance

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[big_e]

Carlton basically traded their pre-listed mature picks for draft picks. Hopefully if we get picks (let's say mid first, end of first), we can work something into getting more picks and players.



Trade 1: Carlton received pick No.43 from Geelong in exchange for its access to SANFL forward Nathan Kreuger (pre-listed state-league player).

Trade 2: The Blues acquired Mitch Govern and a future third-round pick from the Crows. Carlton sent its future fifth-round pick and its access to pre-listed state-league player Shane McAdam to Adelaide, while sending pick Nos.24 and 26 to Sydney. Adelaide secured Sydney’s first-round pick (No.13) and sent pick No.40 to the Swans.

Trade wrap: Blues sign four



In:

Mitch McGovern (Adelaide)
Alex Fasolo (Collingwood)
Will Setterfield (GWS)
Nic Newman (Sydney)
Pick No.71 (GWS)
Future third-round pick (Adelaide)

Out:

Access to state-league recruit Nathan Kreuger (Geelong)
Access to state-league recruit Shane McAdam (Adelaide)
Pick Nos.26 and 28 (Sydney)
Future fifth-round pick (Adelaide)
Future fourth-round pick

They gave Carlton priority picks without giving them priority picks. Those AFL bigwigs get a lot of shit at times, but boy can they manufacture an outcome...

 

[giantroo]

They gave Carlton priority picks without giving them priority picks. Those AFL bigwigs get a lot of s**t at times, but boy can they manufacture an outcome...

It was for one bad year as well. In 2018, they won two games.

We've had three years of it.

 

[Kangaroos techno]

How about the snipe from the 3AW reporter dring the press conference today.

"On one hand the top brass is saying the list is good but then you're also asking for a PP, don't you think that's a bit contradictory?"

Good to see them use a different reason as to why we don't deserve something

 

[Hojuman]

It was for one bad year as well. In 2018, they won two games.

We've had three years of it.

" A strong Carlton is good for the competition " - Socrates

 

[giantroo]

So here is our list breakdown sorted by age. A big gap in the 24-28 year old group.

No Name Games Age Date of Birth Height Weight Origin Position 22​ Goldstein, Todd 290​ 34yr 1 Jul 1988 201cm​ 103kg​ Oakleigh Forward Ruck 42​ Lynch, Tom R 164​ 31yr 10mth 15 Sep 1990 193cm​ 88kg​ Sandringham Dragons Forward 43​ Hall, Aaron 152​ 31yr 8mth 9 Nov 1990 185cm​ 85kg​ Hobart Defender 7​ Ziebell, Jack 254​ 31yr 4mth 28 Feb 1991 188cm​ 89kg​ Murray Bushrangers Defender Forward 10​ Cunnington, Ben 227​ 31yr 30 Jun 1991 185cm​ 88kg​ Geelong Falcons Midfield 18​ Greenwood, Hugh 99​ 30yr 4mth 6 Mar 1992 191cm​ 94kg​ Perth Wildcats Midfield 13​ Polec, Jared R 148​ 29yr 9mth 12 Oct 1992 187cm​ 86kg​ Woodville West Torrens Midfield 19​ Walker, Joshua 137​ 29yr 8mth 12 Nov 1992 197cm​ 98kg​ Geelong Falcons Defender 3​ Anderson, Jed 95​ 28yr 5mth 2 Feb 1994 179cm​ 81kg​ Territory Thunder Midfield Forward 4​ Corr, Aidan 116​ 28yr 2mth 17 May 1994 195cm​ 97kg​ Northern Knights Defender 11​ McDonald, Luke 154​ 27yr 5mth 9 Feb 1995 189cm​ 86kg​ Werribee Defender Midfield 28​ Turner, Kayne 116​ 26yr 6mth 31 Dec 1995 180cm​ 71kg​ Wodonga Football Defender Forward 23​ McKay, Ben 48​ 24yr 6mth 24 Dec 1997 201cm​ 99kg​ Gippsland Power Defender 12​ Simpkin, Jy 111​ 24yr 4mth 5 Mar 1998 182cm​ 77kg​ Murray Bushrangers Midfield 44​ Zurhaar, Cameron 78​ 24yr 1mth 22 May 1998 189cm​ 92kg​ East Fremantle Forward 20​ Larkey, Nick 67​ 24yr 1mth 6 Jun 1998 198cm​ 95kg​ Oakleigh Chargers Forward 42​ Dawson, Kallan R 0​ 23yr 11mth 22 Jul 1998 194cm​ 78kg​ Williamstown VFL Defender 2​ Stephenson, Jaidyn 85​ 23yr 6mth 15 Jan 1999 188cm​ 75kg​ Eastern Ranges Midfield Forward 16​ Bonar, Aiden 29​ 23yr 4mth 8 Mar 1999 188cm​ 87kg​ Dandenong Stingrays Defender 38​ Xerri, Tristan 24​ 23yr 4mth 15 Mar 1999 201cm​ 99kg​ Western Jets Forward Ruck 17​ Young, Lachie 39​ 23yr 3mth 6 Apr 1999 189cm​ 81kg​ Mt Eliza Football Netball Club Defender Midfield 37​ Hayden, Kyron R 17​ 23yr 1mth 7 Jun 1999 186cm​ 87kg​ Subiaco Defender 9​ Davies-Uniacke, Luke 66​ 23yr 1mth 8 Jun 1999 188cm​ 87kg​ Dandenong Stingrays Midfield 21​ Coleman-Jones, Callum 15​ 23yr 1mth 13 Jun 1999 200cm​ 105kg​ Sturt Forward Ruck 26​ Thomas, Tarryn 57​ 22yr 3mth 25 Mar 2000 189cm​ 76kg​ North Launcestion Midfield Forward 5​ Taylor, Curtis 47​ 22yr 3mth 6 Apr 2000 187cm​ 78kg​ Calder Cannons Midfield Forward 8​ Scott, Bailey 50​ 22yr 9 Jul 2000 186cm​ 77kg​ Gc Suns Academy Defender Forward 41​ McGuinness, Matthew R 0​ 22yr 13 Jul 2000 192cm​ 77kg​ Tasmania Devils Defender Forward 15​ Bosenavulagi, Atu 20​ 21yr 10mth 17 Sep 2000 180cm​ 83kg​ Oakleigh Chargers Defender 30​ Comben, Charlie 1​ 21yr 20 Jul 2001 199cm​ 84kg​ Gippsland Power Forward Ruck 39​ Perez, Flynn 16​ 20yr 10mth 25 Aug 2001 188cm​ 85kg​ Bendigo Pioneers Defender Midfield 1​ Mahony, Jack 41​ 20yr 8mth 12 Nov 2001 178cm​ 72kg​ Sandringham Dragons Forward 36​ Spicer, Phoenix 4​ 20yr 5mth 30 Jan 2002 173cm​ 64kg​ South Adelaide Forward 24​ Powell, Tom 26​ 20yr 4mth 2 Mar 2002 184cm​ 75kg​ Sturt Midfield Forward 35​ Lazzaro, Charlie 19​ 20yr 3mth 25 Mar 2002 179cm​ 73kg​ Geelong Falcons Midfield Forward 29​ Phillips, Will 16​ 20yr 1mth 22 May 2002 181cm​ 80kg​ Oakleigh Chargers Midfield Forward 40​ Ford, Eddie 8​ 20yr 21 Jun 2002 189cm​ 83kg​ Western Jets Forward 33​ Walker, Patrick R 0​ 20yr 9 Jul 2002 187cm​ 76kg​ North Hobart Defender Midfield 32​ Edwards, Jacob R 0​ 19yr 7mth 22 Nov 2002 202cm​ 85kg​ Sandringham Dragons Forward Ruck 27​ Bergman, Miller 1​ 19yr 5mth 25 Jan 2003 188cm​ 65kg​ Dandenong Stingrays Defender Midfield 25​ Curtis, Paul 12​ 19yr 4mth 4 Mar 2003 185cm​ 75kg​ Western Jets Forward 31​ Goater, Josh 0​ 19yr 1mth 2 Jun 2003 190cm​ 80kg​ Calder Cannons Midfield 6​ Horne-Francis, Jason 13​ 19yr 21 Jun 2003 185cm​ 81kg​ South Adelaide Midfield Forward 34​ Archer, Jackson 1​ 18yr 10mth 1 Sep 2003 183cm​ 70kg​ Northern Knights Defender