I'm massive on Draper. I'd take him at 1. I don't get why we apparently don't rate him.
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Well apparently according to a few on here we're not fans of Draper.. which is just bizarre really.
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I think Adelaide will get 2 and take Smith. Carlton FOS or Draper. Then North takes FOS or Tauru at 4.
Dees won’t take Tauru at 5, they have clearly said they are taking best available on talent and not drafting by needs.
Which would have us taking the top 5 mid who slides, regardless who it is.
There is every chance he is there at pick 9 as well if we want him.
Which would have us taking the top 5 mid who slides, regardless who it is.
There is every chance he is there at pick 9 as well if we want him.
I'm surprised by that. is there more to it
I swear if I hear one more Dees supporter say Taylor told us we'll take mids I'll throw up. Misson said Saints will take mids today and Cal subsequently marked us down for Tobie and Tauru. It's the draft, believe nothing that comes out of a recruiters mouth until the number is called out.
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Totally agree on this. Recruiters have nothing to gain by telling any truth before the draft.
I was a little pd off Taylor said we're recruiting mids.
Even if he was lying, he just lied to the whole dinner when didn't have too.
He didn't have to do it. No recruiter should. It's a game of poker with a lot at stake before draft night.
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I did, on St Kilda, not to get one of the gun mids!
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Am I alone in thinking that Lalor and Smillie would actually be a pretty bad haul for pick 1 and 6? Lalor is obviously incredibly talented and could definitely be the best player in the draft, but he was ranked more in the 6-10 range when his season ended and has rocketed up the consensus rankings once it became known that the Tigers were going to pick him. Not to mention he has had some terrible injuries. I like the pick and rate the player but I think hes a little on the risky side.
I personally don't really rate Smillie either, and I don't think there are too many list managers who would take him at 6. Especially if one of Smith/FOS/Draper slides.
I personally don't really rate Smillie either, and I don't think there are too many list managers who would take him at 6. Especially if one of Smith/FOS/Draper slides.
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At this stage seems none of those are sliding to tigers second pick
But yes agree Lalor and Smillie I’m not sure if that’s a good combo
The alternative though is they go for Tauru or another KPP
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Smillie has more upside than any top 10 player purely because of his height. Eg. 2013 draft Bonts and Cripps.
Nit picking too much you'll find a way to go off them.
As for him and Lalor not being a good combo. I'll try not being rude. But is this like KFC when chips go with coke kinda thing? I'm very sure Richmond can fit any type of player in and best available, and not being pick with picks 1 and 6 is the way. They have 6 picks after potentially to correct that.
Nit picking too much you'll find a way to go off them.
As for him and Lalor not being a good combo. I'll try not being rude. But is this like KFC when chips go with coke kinda thing? I'm very sure Richmond can fit any type of player in and best available, and not being pick with picks 1 and 6 is the way. They have 6 picks after potentially to correct that.
Not sure how height = upside. If anything he used his size to bully U18 kids and the concern was when the quality went up a level at the Champs, he didn't go with it. Not even sure he's a mid at AFL level, think he starts in defence and possibly stays there. Given Lalor is likely a DeGoey style forward/mid hybrid, I agree with the original poster that it's not a great combo. If I was Richmond, I'd draft Jagga at 1, stick him in the middle and know they have an elite mid for the next 15 years + their next captain. Then build the pieces around him.
How does Adelaide get #2 though? The 3 x 3rd round picks are not worth enough with the new value index to entice anyone out of a 2nd next year - especially given those picks are attached to Adelaide, Melbourne and GWS, all strong chances of finishing up the ladder. If they all make the 8, those 3 picks combined are worth a late 30s pick in points (and if not for points, then who want them anyway?).
Surely they're not silly enough to mess with next year's 1st to move 2 spots in the most even draft in history. Think Adelaide stay at 4 with the only slim possibility of trading up if Richmond doesn't take Lalor at 1.
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Hey - maybe it’s my clubs secret plan to shake a midfielder loose.
Cheaper than trading up!
Saints trade their F2 to Adelaide for 3 x F3. Adelaide trade Saints F2 + 4 to North for pick 2. North take Tauru at 4. Langford, Smilie or Draper fall to Saints. That is not outside the realm of possibility.Hey - maybe it’s my clubs secret plan to shake a midfielder loose.
Cheaper than trading up!
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Your missing the other half of what happens with matching - picks move up. At the moment picks in the 40s and 50s make up the bulk of matching picks - 3rd round picks. Next year it will be picks in 2nd round. Meaning 3rd round picks will move up and hold more value in the draft. Next year's thirds hold more value than you're crediting them with.
For draft purposes they'll become like the current 2nd round picks. They'll lower in value for matching but increase in value for the majority of teams who don't have anyone to match. Adelaide and Melbourne would be in the higher value bracket for futures, as they're a strong chance of finishing low again. But it's such an even comp they might go well.
That's more likely of picks later than 40 & 41, which are balanced out of moving in by the number of academy & f/s picks pushing them out - not to mention free agency compensation.
I'd be stunned if Melbourne finish 14th again or lower with the talent they have - even if Oliver is shot.
I'd be equally as stunned if Adelaide finished 15th again but that may be more wishful thinking.
The Smillie comparison to Cripps are so lazy.
He plays nothing like him and never has.
He’s not a contested beast, he plays like a traditional smaller mid that likes to get a lot of ball on the outside and in transition.
The Bont ones have some merit, given Bont likes to get some ball as a second receiver, but again, his footskills, overhead ability and forward craft are totally different.
If you ignore height, he plays like someone like Adam Cerra.
If he was a contested beast, he’d be without a doubt the #1 pick.
As mentioned before, his biggest question marks are whether he can translate his game style to AFL level, given he’s going to be at a disadvantage with speed and agility - OR - can he change his game style and develop into an inside force like a Tom Green or Cripps. He’s not Bont and never will be.
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Cripps learned to play as a smaller midfielder and had a late growth spurt (16ish) - he understands how to use his body to compete better than anyone who was always a taller midfielder.
Bont barely played mid in his top age year, making the shift late.
Tom Green/Newcomb are the 'taller' mids at AFL level that have always been tall.
He can't use his left side. Which is pretty limiting for a midfielder.
There's really not that many genuine dual sided players these days. Jagga is but I'm not sure the others in the early mix are.
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Smillie has some Riley Collier Dawkins vibes
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Very little will shock me in terms of next year's ladder. The comp is so even that most teams should be optimistic about a high finish next year. But in terms of valuing future picks, I'd group teams into levels and would have Melbourne and Adelaide lower than last year's top 8, Collingwood, Freo and Gold Coast.
In terms of valuing draft picks, their value is what they can get you. Hence this year's picks after the first five being more valuable than normal. Ignore the academy kids pushing draft numbers back. Pick 30 gets you the 30th pick of available players, regardless of how many academy/FS kids go prior. If picks before it get used to match it moves up amongst available players - even if the number gets higher. The new dvi increases the 3rd rounds value as draft picks - they'll move higher into more highly rated available players. But yes they won't get you as much in terms of points trading.
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It’s entirely possible..they could then potentially get Allan at 9
Pick 30 that gets pushed to 40 is pick 40. You have the 40th ranked player in the draft as determined by all the clubs, regardless of availability. This year pick 30 is 33 before the draft evens starts with compensation picks.
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