Rumour Draft Rumours 2024

[swuzzlebubble]

They may be clear cut in terms of bigfooty, doesn't mean they are at each of the 18 clubs. Extremely likely that many would have a different top 4 to what you claim is clear cut.

Not to mention positional priorities

 

[stavro#4]

Nth want more picks in the first round, and they want Tauru/Armstrong

As it stands Nth have a choice

Choice A

They can take your pick 7 + F1

Or they can end up with 3 first round picks from our deals with Port/GWS.

Choice B

Rich Give 10 + 18 + 24 Get 2 +29
GWS Give 15 + 21 Get 13 +24
Port Give 13 + 29 Get 10
North give 2 Get 15 + 18 + 21

or maybe even

Choice C

Rich give 10+11+24 get 2 and 29
GWS give 15+21 Get 13+24
Port give 13 +29 get 10
Nth give 2 get 11+15+21

Choice D

Or they keep Pick 2

If they really want Tauru they will take choice A or D

If they are happy to risk Tauru and get 3 other talls and spread the risk, they will go with B or C, actually definitely C if its offered.

Maybe.

But it doesn’t fit the narrative Rawlings set out of only willing to make a small slide down from 2.

Let’s see.

Either way I’m happy to sit from my clubs POV.

 

[sr36]

So aren't we both agreeing?.......we wouldn't know. We will know the day before with Cal's phantom I reckon. No before then I don't feel. Love it.

We won't even know after the draft. It doesn't tell us where individual clubs rated the players. Saints might get the bloke they rate 1.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Nth want more picks in the first round, and they want Tauru/Armstrong

As it stands Nth have a choice

Choice A

They can take your pick 7 + F1

Or they can end up with 3 first round picks from our deals with Port/GWS.

Choice B

Rich Give 10 + 18 + 24 Get 2 +29
GWS Give 15 + 21 Get 13 +24
Port Give 13 + 29 Get 10
North give 2 Get 15 + 18 + 21

or maybe even

Choice C

Rich give 10+11+24 get 2 and 29
GWS give 15+21 Get 13+24
Port give 13 +29 get 10
Nth give 2 get 11+15+21

Choice D

Or they keep Pick 2

If they really want Tauru they will take choice A or D

If they are happy to risk Tauru and get 3 other talls and spread the risk, they will go with B or C, actually definitely C if its offered.

Choice E

North give 2 and F2
North get 7, 18 and 23

Rich give pick 18 and 23
Rich get Saints F1 and Norths F2

Saints give 7 and F1
Saints get 2

 

[Ura]

Nth want more picks in the first round, and they want Tauru/Armstrong

As it stands Nth have a choice

Choice A

They can take your pick 7 + F1

Or they can end up with 3 first round picks from our deals with Port/GWS.

Choice B

Rich Give 10 + 18 + 24 Get 2 +29
GWS Give 15 + 21 Get 13 +24
Port Give 13 + 29 Get 10
North give 2 Get 15 + 18 + 21

or maybe even

Choice C

Rich give 10+11+24 get 2 and 29
GWS give 15+21 Get 13+24
Port give 13 +29 get 10
Nth give 2 get 11+15+21

Choice D

Or they keep Pick 2

If they really want Tauru they will take choice A or D

If they are happy to risk Tauru and get 3 other talls and spread the risk, they will go with B or C, actually definitely C if its offered.

Such a weird draft. I understand the offers more because the lack of top end talent. Probably the worst year in a long time to have top 3 picks. If this was last years draft first time you would consider Lalor for me is around Watson, Saunders or Maybe Duurs.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

100% it's arrogant. I'm not saying I do that deal. Just working a scenario based on the rumors.

Ultimately there are alot of factors we as fans can only speculate on.

How bad do North really want to split the pick? How bad do Richmond really want pick 2? Who rates what players and where?

Alot of posturing going on by clubs so you can't really read into anything they say.

What's to bet nothing will happen the top 8 picks stay the same and TV networks etc won't stop gobbing about it till draft night

 

[LB2Snake]

In this draft I think that would be very close to a fair trade.

Because as everyone is saying, the depth is where the quality in this draft is, not the quality at the pointy end, so the guy you’re getting at 1 you’d probably have been able to get at a pick much closer to 5 in most drafts, whereas the guy you could get at 19 would be closer to the quality you’d typically get at a pick around 12.

And the guy you’d get at 5 is right around what you’d normally get at 5.

So it would almost be equivalent to trading say pick 4 for 5 and 12 in a “stock-standard draft”.

A trade that most would do, all things being equal.

The fact that multiple guys could have gone pick 1 tells you that picks like 1 and 2 aren’t worth anywhere near as much as they would be in most drafts.

There’s very little difference between the quality of the guy you’re getting at 1 v the quality of the guy you’re getting at 5.

I mean 5 months ago were people saying Lalor is way better than say Langford? No. It’s really just about the specific needs of the clubs with the relevant picks.

If the club with pick 1 already had a bunch of small speedy guys (eg Port) it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if they’d taken Langford there.

There’s no Harley Reid here. Just a handful of guys that would normally go somewhere in the 2-6 type range.

I don't think anyone would do that trade. Well thought out though BTW. Geez there'd want to be some absolute jets from this draft, the way it has been talked up. To me the mids drop off fast after my first 4. Usually the draft videos of underage and draft year are a great indicator of the player these guys become.

 

[perplexed]

I think it's 3 max....but we just lodged paperwork for River Stevens FS

Edit...we actually just created another list spot by delisting Toby Pink and promising to re-rookie

We have room for 4 players including Stevens.

 

[sr36]

I don't think anyone would do that trade. Well thought out though BTW. Geez there'd want to be some absolute jets from this draft, the way it has been talked up. To me the mids drop off fast after my first 4. Usually the draft videos of underage and draft year are a great indicator of the player these guys become.

The commentary of the draft is that there will be more than normal good players taken, but not that there will be better than normal good players taken.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Nth want more picks in the first round, and they want Tauru/Armstrong

The latter part of this isn't necessarily true. The former is bang on though.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Ah got you. So then the onus would be on North to go to Richmond et al and ask what return we'd get for Saints' F1 before we decide whether to agree to the Saints' offer.

It'd be a pretty short conversation with us.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Choice E

North give 2 and F2
North get 7, 18 and 23

Rich give pick 18 and 23
Rich get Saints F1 and Norths F2

Saints give 7 and F1
Saints get 2

That would be an even shorter conversation from our end. No words, just 'click'.

 

[Ura]

The commentary of the draft is that there will be more than normal good players taken, but not that there will be better than normal good players taken.

There is no Harley, no Walter, no Sheezel, No JUH, No Darcey, No JHF, No Daicos and to cap it off an Ashcroft light?. It has depth but at time of drafting no one that is making a case that screams elite let alone demands to be pick 1.

 

[Makeshift Park]

It'd be a pretty short conversation with us.

In your position, getting a pick that's probably 5-10 in 2025 for like pick 18 this year, when you're already one list spot short for your draft hand, would appear to be pretty good business to me.

 

[richoatthedisco]

The latter part of this isn't necessarily true. The former is bang on though.

So that makes you more flexible in terms of the picks you'd get.

 

[blaisee]

The latter part of this isn't necessarily true. The former is bang on though.

Yea, I guess, if that is the case

What do you think about the options offered ?

 

[The Filth Wizard]

So that makes you more flexible in terms of the picks you'd get.

It makes us less flexible in the asset we want to trade as well.

 

[richoatthedisco]

In your position, getting a pick that's probably 5-10 in 2025 for like pick 18 this year, when you're already one list spot short, would appear to be pretty good business to me.

We're not one list spot short, the journo made a mistake.

If we're after pick 2 and you deal it to someone else, then come to us and ask you to help you out, I imagine you'd get a two-word response. We'd keep 18 and get a slide-back and an F1 from someone else for 20, 23 or 24.

It makes us less flexible in the asset we want to trade as well.

Well, yeah. You have very little flexibility in the asset you trade. It's pick 2 and/or your F1. The latter will only get you one pick late in the first round.

 

[LB2Snake]

There is no Harley, no Walter, no Sheezel, No JUH, No Darcey, No JHF, No Daicos and to cap it off an Ashcroft light?. It has depth but at time of drafting no one that is making a case that screams elite let alone demands to be pick 1.

Agree with this so much.........it really is a reverse-kanga draft in so many ways

 

[sr36]

There is no Harley, no Walter, no Sheezel, No JUH, No Darcey, No JHF, No Daicos and to cap it off an Ashcroft light?. It has depth but at time of drafting no one that is making a case that screams elite let alone demands to be pick 1.

Hence pick 3 getting traded for a lower than normal price and a fair chance that pick 2 will also.

 

[G String]

The commentary of the draft is that there will be more than normal good players taken, but not that there will be better than normal good players taken.

Difference this year is that we have a very good form line in Levi Ashcroft - he is considered better than his brother who just won the NS and he is only marginally considered number 1 - some consider others are better but have had interupted years. The top 7-8 inc Ashcroft are hard to rank.

Based on that form line the top 7-8 mids would be considered 'better than normal' good players.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I don’t see why Richmond trying to get up to 2 without using 6 is “arrogant”, because they have more than enough other picks (by a long way) to be able to offer North sufficient value for the pick, without using 6.

And there’s no harm in asking. If their offer doesn’t suit what North want to do, they’re free to respond with the word “no”.

I mean I get it that North might have a big hard-on for Tarau, but would he really be better all by himself than say both Whitlocks, plus another guy they really like?

I think it’s perfectly fine and reasonable for Richmond to find out.

This looks like an amazing draft to stock up on key position players. The hit rate with them isn’t good, but if you could grab say 4 in the first 30, and two of them work out well, you’ve gotten two guys that are generally hard to get your hands on.

 

[sr36]

I don’t see why Richmond trying to get up to 2 without using 6 is “arrogant”, because they have more than enough other picks (by a long way) to be able to offer North sufficient value for the pick, without using 6.

And there’s no harm in asking. If their offer doesn’t suit what North want to do, they’re free to respond with the word “no”.

I mean I get it that North might have a big hard-on for Tarau, but would he really be better all by himself than say both Whitlocks, plus another guy they really like?

I think it’s perfectly fine and reasonable for Richmond to find out.

Plus the bloke tigers want at 2 might be a decent chance of getting to 6.

 

[Makeshift Park]

I mean I get it that North might have a big hard-on for Tarau, but would he really be better all by himself than say both Whitlocks, plus another guy they really like?

I think it’s perfectly fine and reasonable for Richmond to find out.

But it wouldn't be Tauru by himself in any of these trade scenarios.

It'd be FOS or Draper or Jagga by themselves, versus the alternative.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Just like Jake lever then.

As for a rumour, twomey said it’s likely between Draper and Langford for crows pick 4, possibly depending on what Carlton do as both players are also in the blues mix.

Interesting. So if the top 5 all keep their picks where they are, it sounds like:

1. Richmond - Lalor
2. North - O'Sullivan
3. Carlton - Draper
4. Adelaide - Langford
5. Melbourne - Jagga? Reid? Tauru?

With an Ashcroft bid and match in there somewhere.