Rumour Draft Rumours 2024

[Obeanie1]

Im not sure Tauru gets there. Melbounre and saints 2 picks befor there and I wouldnt count Tigers out at 6 at that point

There are much better and higher ranked players at 6, 7, 8 and 9 than Tauru.

Tigers are keen on Smillie at 6. Not Tauru.

1 Lalor
2 FOS or Jagga
6 Smillie

Very nice blend there.

Melbourne will take a mid and a tall forward. Both for obvious reasons.

Bo Allan would add yet another quality WA kid to the Dees list. And a replacement for an aging Viney. Very similar type but Bo can play defense.

Same with the Saints. Langford and a tall forward.

Who in the top 10 other than North are desperate to reach for a tall defender? I can see no-one.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

And hired the bloke who took Bont Macrae Warner etc

in the last six years Warner is about the only non gift player he has picked who’s better then a B grader and considering the 3 players he picked in that draft before him were all busts I’d put that down to dumb luck.

 

[Caj]

And hired the bloke who took Bont Macrae Warner etc

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but our drafting was disastrous under him. Our non academy picks have been diabolical

 

[The Filth Wizard]

North will take who they take but it would seem a risk after what happened with JHF and some no risk alternatives right there in the same talent bracket

Any player is a risk. Draper is no more a risk than all the fear mongering that went out last year when two Tasmanians went in the top 6, or a country Vic boy heading off to West Coast.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Why would stkilda trade out p7 and a second rounder - in a pick swap it doesn’t need to be apart of?

When you take away us from your equation. This entire thing falls apart.

Which again, the rumour was we were standalone and not part of this orgy of pick swaps.

For good reason it seems as we wanted to keep p7 if we couldn’t land 2 which means we would draft Smillie and then you wouldn’t do that deal…

So you think you're taking Smillie at 7?

My reasoning for St Kilda doing the trade would be to get an extra teens pick so they can grab the quick mid (Lindsay, Allan, Hotton, Reid) they need at 8, then go for two talls, or one tall and a small forward, or something else (maybe Reid's there at 13). Like I said, I didn't say they'd do it, just theorising how a multi-club deal might work.

2 for 10 and 11 gets Tauru and another tall.

North add their F2nd Tigers add pick 24.

Keep it simple IMO.

North go in with 10, 11 and 24.

Tigers 1, 2, 6, 18, 22 and 23.

If it's 2 for 10 and 11 why would we need to give 24 as well? As pointed out, 10 doesn't guarantee Tauru. But it possibly does guarantee Armstrong and their pick of any other tall. You also have forgotten Richmond's pick 20.

 

[blaisee]

Not sure about every other clubs 1st rounders are on the market.

Tell me a club other than Richmond who is not interested in moving their 2025 draft picks into 2024

Hawthorn and Carlton and Melbourne and the pies and Port allready have moved their 1st round picks into 2025, and they all want to get back into 2024


Then you have Nth, Essendon after Kako, GC after Lombard, Saints are dangling it Eagles have 2025 picks to sell

I am not sure how what I said is wrong considering the consensus view of the strength of the relative drafts

 

[tigs2010]

The Age mock draft has Draper getting to the Saints and Jagga to the Dees.

Must not be part of the big 4 I guess or now there is a big 7.

 

[stavro#4]

So you think you're taking Smillie at 7?

My reasoning for St Kilda doing the trade would be to get an extra teens pick so they can grab the quick mid (Lindsay, Allan, Hotton, Reid) they need at 8, then go for two talls, or one tall and a small forward, or something else (maybe Reid's there at 13). Like I said, I didn't say they'd do it, just theorising how a multi-club deal might work.


If it's 2 for 10 and 11 why would we need to give 24 as well? As pointed out, 10 doesn't guarantee Tauru. But it possibly does guarantee Armstrong and their pick of any other tall. You also have forgotten Richmond's pick 20.

If Smillie is on the board at our pick. Yes.

We acquire additional picks splitting 8 or moving our F1 into this year.

There is no need for us to get involved in what you proposed.

7+8 look like relatively strategic picks.

Unless North give up on Tauru. Then they won’t land him unless you part with 6 or they trade with us.

We won’t part with 7 unless we get 2.

And as I said above. Your deal falls apart in this instance as Richmond don’t get everything they want and North get nothing they want.

 

[GWS Goose]

It is interesting as I actually don't think he is that highly rated as some think he is.

What I will say is that I am surprised he has not copped much heat for some of his absolute draft blunders as you have highlighted. Not only that, it's his willingness to recycle the same spuds he's drafted in previous clubs year after year.

He is not highly rated by most Giants fans.

I think he traded well and got good value for our departing players, but IMO made a ness of it on draft night pretty consistently

 

[stavro#4]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but our drafting was disastrous under him. Our non academy picks have been diabolical

Really?

Mclean
mcinerney
Rowbottom
Chad warner
McDonald
Matt Roberts

Would all be in your best side and are good players. All selected by him.

Hard to judge the last 2 years. You played in the grand final this year with a strong side.

 

[richoatthedisco]

If Smillie is on the board at our pick. Yes.

We acquire additional picks splitting 8 or moving our F1 into this year.

There is no need for us to get involved in what you proposed.

7+8 look like relatively strategic picks.

Unless North give up on Tauru. Then they won’t land him unless you part with 6 or they trade with us.

We won’t part with 7 unless we get 2.

And as I said above. Your deal falls apart in this instance as Richmond don’t get everything they want and North get nothing they want.

You're correct. That deal doesn't work without St Kilda.

You're not going to get much for your F1. A pick in the 20s at best.

You won't get 2 with 7 unless you sell your F1 first. And even then you won't get it if Richmond tells North we'll just take Tauru at 6.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Really?

Mclean
mcinerney
Rowbottom
Chad warner
McDonald
Matt Roberts

Would all be in your best side and are good players. All selected by him.

Hard to judge the last 2 years. You played in the grand final this year with a strong side.

All B graders outside of Warner.

McDonald wouldn’t be in Carlton’s as he would just get in the way and only room for one of Robert’s or Rowbottom. McLean too would be 50/50. Personally I’d have TDK and McKay rucking (Cripps at times like he already does) rather then going tall with McLean too.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I think p2 gets traded.

North need to decide what they actually want to do.

Do they want the player they apparently love in Tauru? He is there at 7. You’re not offering 6.

So if yes, they trade with us and find another first with our F1. There will be one.

Or they do a west coast. Based off that rumour it seems they end up with 13+15 and maybe something else.

It’s a pig dressed up in make up. But if they want to celebrate that and call it a win. So be it. They may land Trainor.

But they traded for quantity as opposed to a target

As I said overnight though, if they do have some tasty picks in the teens, wouldn’t they then be in a position to trade back up to 8, if Tarau is still on the board then, as expected (if we’ve kept 7 and taken say Reid with it)?

Or are you not allowed to trade picks you’ve just received?

 

[stavro#4]

As I said overnight though, if they do have some tasty picks in the teens, wouldn’t they then be in a position to trade back up to 8, if Tarau is still on the board then, as expected (if we’ve kept 7 and taken say Reid with it)?

Or are you not allowed to trade picks you’ve just received?

They could do that (think the rule is that you can’t trade them back to the team who gave them to you)

But we also have to be willing to take their deal and as it stands north would have to take all these mid first round picks in the hope they can trade down again? M

Its like the reverse scenario they are being by proposed.

Who’s to say we don’t just take Tauru at 7 ourselves?

 

[GWS Goose]

Some Tiger fans might be saying we'll give up picks that won't satisfy North but you can bet Blair Hartley is working on a way to get North what they want while securing what Richmond wants. Hence the talk of the deal with GWS and Port.

As a mate texted me earlier: "Blair does what you do if you always get the business. He finds out what the other party wants and he gets it." With his 8 early draft picks he's trying to create a world in which Richmond gets pick 2 and Smillie, and North gets Tauru and another good pick.

I'm not saying this is what will happen and happy to receive feedback from supporters of clubs involved, but I just worked up the below scenario:

Port:
Out: 13, 29
In: 10, 37

Why? They want Travaglia and so do West Coast. They now pick before West Coast.

GWS:
Out: 15, 37
In: 23, 24

Why? Brings their 4th pick into the deep section of the draft and gives them 16, 21, 23, 24 so some degree of control over who they bring in. Also gives them the option to trade for an F1 while still holding a strong hand in this draft. And the coveted first pick of night 2.

St Kilda:
Out: 7, 32
In: 13, 18

Why? Gives them an extra first round pick. Giving 7 instead of 8 assures Richmond they won't steal our guy (Smillie) (Heheh, see what I did there?).

Richmond:
Out: 6, 10, 18, 20, 23, 24
In: 2, 7, 15, 29, 32, F2

Why? Secures pick 2, doesn't really affect getting Smillie given North is picking Tauru.

North:
Out: 2, F2
In: 6, 20

Why? Get Tauru and a good pick where they'll have a stack of options.


Great! He's the one we want.

Although Adrian Caruso doesn't ask me for my opinion on prospective trades, I hate that trade.
Sliding from 15 to the mid 20's holds no appeal to me. We sit where the likes of Lindsay and Hotten are a good chance to be there, I don't want to be leaving that top endish talent for a couple much more speculative picks.

 

[stavro#4]

All B graders outside of Warner.

McDonald wouldn’t be in Carlton’s as he would just get in the way and only room for one of Robert’s or Rowbottom. McLean too would be 50/50. Personally I’d have TDK and McKay rucking (Cripps at times like he already does) rather then going tall with McLean too.

What does Carlton have to do with this discussion?

They are all long term members of the swans side.

So hardly poor drafting considering the 2 grand final appearances in 3 years.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Although Adrian Caruso doesn't ask me for my opinion on prospective trades, I hate that trade.
Sliding from 15 to the mid 20's holds no appeal to me. We sit where the likes of Lindsay and Hotten are a good chance to be there, I don't want to be leaving that top endish talent for a couple much more speculative picks.

Fair enough. I think they'll both be gone though.

 

[Obeanie1]

Tell me a club other than Richmond who is not interested in moving their 2025 draft picks into 2024

Hawthorn and Carlton and Melbourne and the pies and Port allready have moved their 1st round picks into 2025, and they all want to get back into 2024


Then you have Nth, Essendon after Kako, GC after Lombard, Saints are dangling it Eagles have 2025 picks to sell

I am not sure how what I said is wrong considering the consensus view of the strength of the relative drafts

Who in 2024 is willing to selling their early picks? That's what I'm asking.

From what I've read more clubs want to get into the 2024 draft than those who want to trade out.

That's the issue isn't it.

 

[aussierulesrules]

And I'm referring to the document that lists the combined ranking of every major publication.

Ignoring Ashcroft, who's ungettable, there is consistency around FOS, Lalor, Draper, Jagga and Ashcroft.

The only person who occasionally pops up is Reid, who is skilled but seems too slow to be a genuine mid at the next level.

Reid apparently posted a 3.02sec 20m sprint in preseason testing, which was faster than FOS, and only 0.03sec slower than Ashcroft, Smith and Lindsay. It was comfortably quicker than Smillie and Travaglia and miles quicker than Langford.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Who in the top 10 other than North are desperate to reach for a tall defender? I can see no-one

Blues could use one but unlikely to reach (certainly not at #3).
If we traded back we'd probably be in the conversation.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

What does Carlton have to do with this discussion?

They are all long term members of the swans side.

So hardly poor drafting considering the 2 grand final appearances in 3 years.

Sorry I thought you were referring to Carlton when you said “your side”

Yeh they are all decent picks, good solid role players that you put around A graders; who are the harder ones to find and he has struggled to over the last 6 seasons.
I actually find it a strange move because S Kilda seem to be doing well over the last few years considering the picks they’ve held.

 

[perplexed]

There are much better and higher ranked players at 6, 7, 8 and 9 than Tauru.

Tigers are keen on Smillie at 6. Not Tauru.

1 Lalor
2 FOS or Jagga
6 Smillie

Very nice blend there.

Melbourne will take a mid and a tall forward. Both for obvious reasons.

Bo Allan would add yet another quality WA kid to the Dees list. And a replacement for an aging Viney. Very similar type but Bo can play defense.

Same with the Saints. Langford and a tall forward.

Who in the top 10 other than North are desperate to reach for a tall defender? I can see no-one.

I tend to agree. But I'm also not fussed if we miss him.

 

[KrispyKreme]

Any player is a risk. Draper is no more a risk than all the fear mongering that went out last year when two Tasmanians went in the top 6, or a country Vic boy heading off to West Coast.

Who was the other Tasmanian?

 

[aussierulesrules]

They could do that (think the rule is that you can’t trade them back to the team who gave them to you)

But we also have to be willing to take their deal and as it stands north would have to take all these mid first round picks in the hope they can trade down again? M

The appeal for them is that they would have a bird in the hand (multiple picks in the 10-25 range), as opposed to one in the bush (our F1, which may or may not be useful to getting the extra pick or two they want inside 25 or whatever).

Its like the reverse scenario they are being by proposed.

Who’s to say we don’t just take Tauru at 7 ourselves?

Well we could, in which case they go to plan B and take a couple of Whitlocks or whatever.

If we still have 7 and 8 on the night, I don’t see any reason we’d take Tarau at 7. I think we’d take Reid or whoever and then sit back and see who comes knocking for pick 8.

Be it a club who wants Tarau, or a club who wants to get in front of Melbourne, etc.

 

[Bjchan13]

Reckon North should just take FOS at 2