draft top 10 - who do they remind you of

[theorangeapple]

Deledio will be the next M. Voss/Hird/Buckley

or the next travis johnstone. to me their are obvious similarities.

 

[Bentleigh]

or the next travis johnstone. to me their are obvious similarities.

or the next Chris Judd. to me their are obvious similarities

 

[theorangeapple]

or the next Chris Judd. to me their are obvious similarities

like what??

deledio reminds he of johnstone because:
- he was taken at #1. both very highly touted.
- he is a winger/flanker. judd was always a ruck rover.
- deledio can do the special like johnstone and like johnstone he isnt consistant at doing it throughout a match.
- he is outside like johnstone. judd was second in the afl for hardball gets in his second season in the AFL.


the only similarity that i have seen between judd and deledio is that they are both quick (so's matthew lokan) and they are 189cm.

 

[Bentleigh]

deledio reminds he of johnstone because:
- he was taken at #1. both very highly touted.

For this reason, Lids reminds me of Judd. Judd was arguable the standout player in the '01 draft. There were issues which made both Saints and Hawks pass over him ie. major injuries. Not to mention Ball and Hodge are top shelf players (as are Tambling, Roughead and Griffin)

From this years crop Griffin is similar to Hodge (imo), maybe better with being as close to a sure thing as you can come. A player which might not have the scope of inprovment of a Deledio but very likly to play 200 games. Deledio having more dout of him yet potentially could be similar to Judd, with the more scope to inprove.

- he is a winger/flanker. judd was always a ruck rover.

Footydraft:

Position: Onballer/Forward

Deledio is a brilliant midfielder and forward who looks destined to be an AFL star. He is what I would call the complete package

Brett can play in the centre and will win a lot of clearances, but is also very capable of holding down a spot in the forward line.

Granted, I havent seen the kid live. However from all accounts (this and others ive read) he is a true onballer. Ruck Rover in the old lanauge being his most favored and best postion. He has the advantage of being able to play many other postions also yet remains pure midfeilder. He simply isnt a winger/flanker.

- deledio can do the special like johnstone and like johnstone he isnt consistant at doing it throughout a match.

Wouldnt you say Judd (somewhat) is brillant for periods but can go quiet at times? Lids averages 24 touches at TAC cup level, at 16/eary 17 years of age. He is consistants and being the youngest on the Richmond list im sure he will inprove in this area.

To say he isnt consistant, and liking it to Johnson isnt a valid example.

- he is outside like johnstone. judd was second in the afl for hardball gets in his second season in the AFL.

I very much doubt Lids is a outside player. Similar to Judd he seems to have the abilty to be a outside and inside midfeilder. He gets the hard ball but outside he is brillant (ie. Judd)

like what??

the only similarity that i have seen between judd and deledio is that they are both quick (so's matthew lokan) and they are 189cm

Many similar attributes. Both have very good leadership abilty, and are brilliant midfielders. Get the hard ball but recivering is top rate. Creative at the stoppages with ability to turn a game with his sublime skills and inspirational marks. Lids, like Judd makes his team mates better players. Not to mention being amoung the fastest and most explosive going around.

For the record I havent accepted Deledio is going to be Judd mk.2. If he is anything like him I will be very happy. The Judd comparison was somewhat tounge in cheek yet does have some merit.

 

[theorangeapple]

im not saying he is going to be a poor player but from what i have seen he is different to judd.

no one expected judd to be so good, not even the eagles. he adapted very well to the AFL environment and this fast tracked him and made him a significantly better player than people thought he would be looking at him at TAC. he may have the physical attributes but he also thinks through the game very well and how to play it. this mental capability is very hard to gauge and is a big reason why judd is the player he is now. without that mind and the motivation/ want to improve it brings he would be a talented player but not quite superstar status.

deledio may adapt to the AFL like judd did, but not many players do.

 

[Bentleigh]

im not saying he is going to be a poor player but from what i have seen he is different to judd.

no one expected judd to be so good, not even the eagles. he adapted very well to the AFL environment and this fast tracked him and made him a significantly better player than people thought he would be looking at him at TAC. he may have the physical attributes but he also thinks through the game very well and how to play it. this mental capability is very hard to gauge and is a big reason why judd is the player he is now. without that mind and the motivation/ want to improve it brings he would be a talented player but not quite superstar status.

deledio may adapt to the AFL like judd did, but not many players do.

I am saying he should be alot better than Johnson, and he really isnt that similar.

From all accounts Deledios mental toughness and leadership are 1st rate. The kid has a very good head on his shoulders.

 

[Infamy]

I very much doubt Lids is a outside player. Similar to Judd he seems to have the abilty to be a outside and inside midfeilder. He gets the hard ball but outside he is brillant (ie. Judd)

Deledio's weakest areas at draft camp were the contact drills
He's no Fiora, but he's no Cogs either

 

[Bentleigh]

Deledio's weakest areas at draft camp were the contact drills
He's no Fiora, but he's no Cogs either

He isnt a outside midfeilder. Deledio is both a inside and outside player.

 

[theorangeapple]

we will all no for certain what deledio is like when he plays AFL. for me he is more outside than inside and doesnt play pure midfield role.


i will glady eat my words if wrong.

 

[Bentleigh]

we will all no for certain what deledio is like when he plays AFL. for me he is more outside than inside and doesnt play pure midfield role.


i will glady eat my words if wrong.

Have you seen him play?

 

[theorangeapple]

Have you seen him play?

yes, i have seen him live twice (my mates dad is heavily involved with tac) and saw him at the national champs fox. i am by no means an expert.

 

[Bentleigh]

yes, i have seen him live twice (my mates dad is heavily involved with tac) and saw him at the national champs fox. i am by no means an expert.

Get many hard balls?

 

[theorangeapple]

Get many hard balls?

to be honest, the games i saw live he didnt do that much. he certainly is flashy and has quite afew party tricks. the champs games i saw of him was the same. he can do the special but didnt seem an inside type.

 

[Bentleigh]

to be honest, the games i saw live he didnt do that much. he certainly is flashy and has quite afew party tricks. the champs games i saw of him was the same. he can do the special but didnt seem an inside type.

I went to a Vic country game a couple times last year to watch my mate whoplayed in the side and I had no idea who Deledio was (many moons ago) so I cannot comment.

From what ive seen on Fox i thought he looks a player which can get a good amount of inside ball.

 

[FIGJAM]

If Egan is like Xavier Clarke he's going to need a lot of work.

You're telling me!

I don't think he'll be like Clarke at all. Clarke does tidy things, but Egan does freakish things. The O'Lachlan comparrison seems like a good one.

Like Franklin, Egan's ability to do the wonderful, whilst doing the routine, is the key to his success.

 

[taraba]

just be4 u get in2 me about ottens being in top 5 ruckman in the league
here is my list

1.gardiner..........fit the best ruckman in the game
2.evreritt...........stellar year last year........criminal he wasnt all australian
3.white.............great tap ruckman who gather plenty across half back
4.ottens............was a shining light 4 richmond IMO last year

Are you serious??? Shining light??? He was shizen last year. Never actually looked like he wanted to be out there either. He would easily be top 4 if he was in 2001 form but he's not even close. Oh, and Cox should be in there too. Don't know why he's so underrated.

 

[Bentleigh]

to be honest, the games i saw live he didnt do that much. he certainly is flashy and has quite afew party tricks. the champs games i saw of him was the same. he can do the special but didnt seem an inside type.

Ive concluded the kid does get in and under and is not scared of the hard stuff

 

[tige19]

Heres my top 10

Deledio - a fit Coughlan
Roughead - a more durable Leppitsch
Griffen - will be a Pavlich
Tambling - A quicker Rodan,Smarter Leon Davis,tougher Phill Matera (Freak)
Franklin - Goodes/Tarrant type
Williams - A less exciting Croad, note a dumber 1 as well
Lewis - Can you imagine a on the ball Glen Archer?? thats Lewis
Meesen - Barry Brooks or David Hale sort
Russell - Robert Murphy
Egan - Xavier Clarke Cross Jared Brenna

 

[OneEyedHawk]

Heres my top 10

Deledio - a fit Coughlan
Roughead - a more durable Leppitsch
Griffen - will be a Pavlich
Tambling - A quicker Rodan,Smarter Leon Davis,tougher Phill Matera (Freak)
Franklin - Goodes/Tarrant type
Williams - A less exciting Croad, note a dumber 1 as well
Lewis - Can you imagine a on the ball Glen Archer?? thats Lewis
Meesen - Barry Brooks or David Hale sort
Russell - Robert Murphy
Egan - Xavier Clarke Cross Jared Brenna

Looks about right to me.

 

[theorangeapple]

Heres my top 10

Deledio - a fit Coughlan
Roughead - a more durable Leppitsch
Griffen - will be a Pavlich
Tambling - A quicker Rodan,Smarter Leon Davis,tougher Phill Matera (Freak)
Franklin - Goodes/Tarrant type
Williams - A less exciting Croad, note a dumber 1 as well
Lewis - Can you imagine a on the ball Glen Archer?? thats Lewis
Meesen - Barry Brooks or David Hale sort
Russell - Robert Murphy
Egan - Xavier Clarke Cross Jared Brenna

are you saying williams is dumber than croad? thats a bloody big call mate. from what ive heard he sounded pretty intelligent considering he played rugby.

im not sure on your deledio - coughlan description. couhlan is mainly an extractor from packs, deledio doesnt do that as much.

 

[Bentleigh]

im not sure on your deledio - coughlan description. couhlan is mainly an extractor from packs, deledio doesnt do that as much.

From what Ive seen of the lad I reckon u underrate his abilty to get the hard ball, extract the pill from packs.

I still wouldnt have gone with the Cogs comparison thou.

 

[dipper86]

From what Ive seen of the lad I reckon u underrate his abilty to get the hard ball, extract the pill from packs.

I still wouldnt have gone with the Cogs comparison thou.

i dprolly go with a judd like comparison, has a great burst of speed, neat right foot, still has a long way to go though, great pick up.

 

[tige19]

are you saying williams is dumber than croad? thats a bloody big call mate. from what ive heard he sounded pretty intelligent considering he played rugby.

im not sure on your deledio - coughlan description. couhlan is mainly an extractor from packs, deledio doesnt do that as much.

My word he is dumber than Croad in a football sense, ask Williams to run to the fat side and he will switch inside, ask him to run in angles and present through half forward and he will run in crosses around the 50 metre ark, ask the kid to always punch the ball from behind as a backman and in a marking contest with Eddie Betts he would punch the ball. Im saying the kid has NO football smarts what so ever.

Seen him play twice now and both times he looked lost and out of depth, looks confused and often doesnt have a clear idea what to do with the ball when he has it, 1on1 and wrestling and actually getting the ball seems to be fine but its the the other 90% of the game that he has no idea about. Ever heard the phrase football is 80% above the shoulders??? well Tom Williams lacks about 85% of that, at least when Croad actually gets the ball he knows which way to kick the thing and how to get it there quickly, very simple i know but hey at least he has some idea.

cheers

PS. Deledio isnt Judds assssss hole

 

[Bentleigh]

PS. Deledio isnt Judds assssss hole

Whys that champ.

 

[theorangeapple]

My word he is dumber than Croad in a football sense, ask Williams to run to the fat side and he will switch inside, ask him to run in angles and present through half forward and he will run in crosses around the 50 metre ark, ask the kid to always punch the ball from behind as a backman and in a marking contest with Eddie Betts he would punch the ball. Im saying the kid has NO football smarts what so ever.

Seen him play twice now and both times he looked lost and out of depth, looks confused and often doesnt have a clear idea what to do with the ball when he has it, 1on1 and wrestling and actually getting the ball seems to be fine but its the the other 90% of the game that he has no idea about. Ever heard the phrase football is 80% above the shoulders??? well Tom Williams lacks about 85% of that, at least when Croad actually gets the ball he knows which way to kick the thing and how to get it there quickly, very simple i know but hey at least he has some idea.

cheers

fair enough. will be interesting to see how he goes.