Draw Statistics

[emuboy]

I wonder what the shortest period of time for a team to record a 3rd draw is? I'd imagine if GWS get another draw in the next year they would probably take that record.

Here are some interesting examples of clubs involved in a number of draws in a short space of time:

Carlton were involved in quite a run of draws in the years around World War 1. The Blues drew against South in Round 2 1913, Collingwood in Round 1 1914, the Swans again in Round 4 1914 and Fitzroy in Round 1 1915. The Blues repeated the drawn Round 1 result against the Lions in 1917. Fitzroy themselves drew a match in Round 3 1916 against Collingwood, making it three years of successive draws for the Lions.

Having not drawn since 1922, St Kilda developed a taste for tying matches in World War 2. The Saints drew against North Melbourne in Round 2 1943, Essendon in Round 6 1944 and Hawthorn in Round 15 1944.

Carlton drew 4 matches in 3 years in the early 1950s. The Blues played stalemates against the Saints in Round 16 1950, the Lions in Round 16 1951, the Demons in Round 12 1952 and the Swans in Round 14 of the same year.

The Geelong team of the early 1960s must have tested their supporters nerves. The Cats drew against Richmond in Round 9 1960, North Melbourne in Round 8 1961, against Carlton in the 1962 Preliminary Final (the Blues winning the controversial replay by 5 points), against their GF opponents Hawthorn in Round 7 1963 and a Round 15 1964 match between the premiers of 1962 & 1963 resulted in a draw between Essendon and Geelong.

Brisbane, if counting the records of the Bears and Lions together, drew in Round 10 1996 against Geelong, Round 21 1997 against Port Adelaide and again against Port Adelaide in Round 12 1998, a rare example of teams drawing in successive meetings.

St Kilda had another run of draws in the early 2010s. The Saints drew against Hawthorn in Round 17 2010, drew that year's Grand Final against Collingwood only to be smashed by the Magpies in the replay, and again drew in Round 2 1911 against the Richmond Tigers.

 

[X_box_X]

8436 days since Adelaide had their one and only draw. No team has ever gone that long without a drawn match. Pies currently six points up with three mins left. Could it happen?

 

[X_box_X]

0 days

 

[Dirty Bird]

What are the biggest deficits faced in drawn games?

 

[35Daicos]

What are the biggest deficits faced in drawn games?

1/2 time:
Richmond led North Melbourne by 42 points at 1/2 time (2009 Rd. 16)
Collingwood led Adelaide by 38 points at 1/2 time (2017 Rd. 19)
South Melbourne led Fitzroy by 32 points at 1/2 time (1951 Rd. 9)
Carlton led Fitzroy by 32 points at 1/2 time (1982 Rd. 1)
Melbourne led Geelong by 31 points at 1/2 time (2006 Rd. 21)

3/4 time:
Hawthorn led South Melbourne by 34 points at 3/4 time (1968 Rd. 2)
South Melbourne led St Kilda by 31 points at 3/4 time (1977 Rd. 7)
Collingwood led Melbourne by 30 points at 3/4 time (1928 2SF)
St Kilda led Fitzroy by 30 points at 3/4 time (1954 Rd. 5)

1/4 time:
Carlton led Collingwood by 38 points at 1/4 time (1964 Rd. 16)
Melbourne led Footscray by 35 points at 1/4 time (1929 Rd. 5)
Richmond led Carlton by 35 points at 1/4 time (1960 Rd. 1)
Melbourne led Richmond by 32 points at 1/4 time (1953 Rd. 12)
North Melbourne led Collingwood by 30 points at 1/4 time (1988 Rd. 17)
Carlton led Essendon by 30 points at 1/4 time (2014 Rd. 23)

This only covers qtr. by qtr. scores.

 

[X_box_X]

Bulldogs have been involved in heaps. Off the top of my head.

Pies 35 points down in round 12, 1995. Bulldogs kicked the opening two goals of the final quarter to get 35 points up. It was all Collingwood after that who came back to draw. This game was famous for Dermie kicking a clear behind that was amazingly paid as a goal.

Bulldogs 20 points down with seven minutes to go against Richmond in 2008. This game was famous for Nathan Brown celebrating as the final siren sounded, before realising it finished in a draw.

Hawks v Bulldogs, round 4 of 1996. It was the weekend before Martin Bryant went on a killing rampage in Port Arthur. Bulldogs were up by five goals with ten minutes to go. This game is famous for Pritchard running into an open goal 15m out in the dying stages only to miss his shot at goal, kicking a behind to level the scores.

Bulldogs v Saints in 2007. Saints were up by five goals during the final quarter. Wayde Skipper kicked a behind to give the Bulldogs a one point lead with a minute remaining. Jason Gram then played on from full back, took two bounces, and kicked an incredible 105m torpedo that kept going and going and going, before being marked by Kozzi 55m from goal. His kick was offline, a behind to level the scores.

 

[worbod]

What are the biggest deficits faced in drawn games?

If you refer to page 3 of this thread you will see I have posted some findings relating to this question. It looks as though the Collingwood vs Adelaide game is the new record holder.

 

[emuboy]

One of the strangest scoring draws took place in Round 2 1911 in a game between Geelong and Melbourne at Corio Bay that was clearly affected by the breeze:

Geelong 0.1 5.5 5.5 7.12-54 drew Melbourne 4.5 4.5 7.12 7.12-54

The Cats' ability to score 0.1 against the wind in the first quarter was all that saved them from defeat against the Demons.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Bulldogs have been involved in heaps. Off the top of my head.

Pies 35 points down in round 12, 1995. Bulldogs kicked the opening two goals of the final quarter to get 35 points up. It was all Collingwood after that who came back to draw. This game was famous for Dermie kicking a clear behind that was amazingly paid as a goal.

Bulldogs 20 points down with seven minutes to go against Richmond in 2008. This game was famous for Nathan Brown celebrating as the final siren sounded, before realising it finished in a draw.

Hawks v Bulldogs, round 4 of 1996. It was the weekend before Martin Bryant went on a killing rampage in Port Arthur. Bulldogs were up by five goals with ten minutes to go. This game is famous for Pritchard running into an open goal 15m out in the dying stages only to miss his shot at goal, kicking a behind to level the scores.

Bulldogs v Saints in 2007. Saints were up by five goals during the final quarter. Wayde Skipper kicked a behind to give the Bulldogs a one point lead with a minute remaining. Jason Gram then played on from full back, took two bounces, and kicked an incredible 105m torpedo that kept going and going and going, before being marked by Kozzi 55m from goal. His kick was offline, a behind to level the scores.

All the Bulldogs draw since entering the VFL in 1925:

Round 5 1929 = Footscray 75-75 Melbourne
Round 7 1935 = Footscray 79-79 Carlton
Round 11 1935 = Footscray 103-103 Geelong
Round 6 1944 = Richmond 125-125 Footscray
Round 12 1947 = Footscray 44-44 St.Kilda
Round 16 1954 = North Melbourne 68-68 Footscray
Round 1 1957 = Geelong 77-77 Footscray
Round 8 1973 = North Melbourne 56-56 Footscray
Round 8 1974 = Carlton 66-66 Footscray
Round 22 1976 = Carlton 107-107 Footscray
Round 5 1977 = Footscray 116-116 St.Kilda
Round 4 1979 = Footscray 128-128 Essendon
Round 20 1987 = North Melbourne 125-125 Footscray
Round 16 1989 = Footscray 46-46 Carlton
Round 12 1991 = Footscray 35-35 Sydney
Round 12 1995 = Footscray 71-71 Collingwood
Round 4 1996 = Footscray 57-57 Hawthorn
Round 11 1999 = Western Bulldogs 76-76 Hawthorn
Round 14 2002 = Western Bulldogs 118-118 Essendon
Round 11 2003 = West Coast 124-124 Western Bulldogs
Round 18 2007 = Western Bulldogs 85-85 St.Kilda
Round 5 2008 = Western Bulldogs 130-130 Richmond

 

[McCrann]

Bulldogs have been involved in heaps. Off the top of my head.

Bulldogs v Saints in 2007. Saints were up by five goals during the final quarter. Wayde Skipper kicked a behind to give the Bulldogs a one point lead with a minute remaining. Jason Gram then played on from full back, took two bounces, and kicked an incredible 105m torpedo that kept going and going and going, before being marked by Kozzi 55m from goal. His kick was offline, a behind to level the scores.

Maxy Hudghton. #LEGEND.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Maxy Hudghton. #LEGEND.

Max Hudghton vs Footscray.

Hmmmm!

Like that game in R9 2000.

 

[X_box_X]

Yeah that game didn't finish in a draw. Dogs won that one by one point

 

[worbod]

Are there any country/regional/suburban leagues that still have a replay if their grand final is drawn?

 

[adammania9]

Orazio Fantasia is the only player in history to experience all three possible results in his first three games (W,L,D)

 

[Ron The Bear]

Orazio Fantasia is the only player in history to experience all three possible results in his first three games (W,L,D)

This surprised me so I looked it up. I've got 140 players in all, including current players Patrick Cripps, Tom Barrass and Sam Simpson.

 

[35Daicos]

This surprised me so I looked it up. I've got 140 players in all, including current players Patrick Cripps, Tom Barrass and Sam Simpson.

Did any of them play only 3 games?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Did any of them play only 3 games?

Willis Hardy (Ca 1917)
Ron Ellis (St 1943)
Alby Williams (NM 1943)
Ron Kennedy (Es 1944)
Lloyd Brewer (Ri 1953)
Ian O'Halloran (Ge 1957)

 

[RedmanWasHere]

What's each side's average drawn score?

 

[X_box_X]

Orazio Fantasia is the only player in history to experience all three possible results in his first three games (W,L,D)

How do you know that?

 

[35Daicos]

What's each side's average drawn score?

This should be 100% correct but it has been thrown together in a bit of a hurry!

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Re: Most career games for no draws



Gms Player
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359 Blakey, John
340 McLeod, Andrew
321 Edwards, Tyson
311 Archer, Glenn
306 Neitz, David
300 Moore, Kelvin D.
293 Carter, Rod
286 Bell, Peter
279 Knights, Matthew
275 Goodwin, Simon
272 Bickley, Mark
272 Carey, Wayne
272 Flower, Robert
258 Febey, Steven
255 Martello, Alan
255 Ratten, Brett
253 Nankervis, Bruce
249 Farmer, Jeff
246 O'Bree, Shane
242 Rocca, Anthony
240 DiPierdomenico, Robert

All relatively modern players, with Moore and Nankervis finishing earliest in 1983. Have to go back to George Bisset (207 games, #41, 1974) for a player finishing in the 70's.

Interested if you can run the same list for most games before their first career draw? Tarkyn Lockyer would be up there, he would’ve only played five or six more games after his first draw (QB 2010)

 

[Ron The Bear]

Interested if you can run the same list for most games before their first career draw? Tarkyn Lockyer would be up there, he would’ve only played five or six more games after his first draw (QB 2010)

Ma #|Player|Club(s)|Career|Gms|Year|Rd
\321|Matthews, Leigh|Ha|1969-1985|332|1985|11
\295|Roos, Paul|Fi,Sy|1982-1998|356|1996|6
\276|Schwass, Wayne|NM,Sy|1988-2002|282|2002|5
\276|Tuck, Michael|Ha|1972-1991|426|1985|11
\258|Knights, Peter|Ha|1969-1985|264|1985|11
\255|Stevens, Anthony|NM|1989-2004|292|2003|3
\254|Yze, Adem|Me|1995-2008|271|2006|21
\244|Richardson, Matthew|Ri|1993-2009|282|2007|10
\242|Camporeale, Scott|Ca,Es|1995-2007|252|2006|16
\242|Couch, Paul|Ge|1985-1997|259|1996|10
\241|Alves, Stan|Me,NM|1965-1979|266|1977|GF
\233|Mackie, Andrew|Ge|2004-2017|280|2015|21
\233|Osborne, Richard|Fi,Sy,WB,Co|1982-1998|283|1995|12
\231|Wright, Stephen|Sy|1979-1992|246|1991|12
\229|Dunstall, Jason|Ha|1985-1998|269|1996|4
\228|White, Jeff|Fr,Me|1995-2008|268|2006|21
\226|Prestigiacomo, Simon|Co|1996-2010|233|2010|12
\223|Bowden, Joel|Ri|1996-2009|265|2007|10
\223|Platten, John|Ha|1986-1997|258|1996|4
\221|Lockyer, Tarkyn|Co|1999-2010|227|2010|12
\220|Barry, Leo|Sy|1995-2009|237|2008|6
\217|Daniher, Anthony|Sy,Es|1981-1994|233|1993|2
\216|Cordy, Neil|WB,Sy|1979-1993|235|1991|12
\216|Turner, Michael|Ge|1974-1988|245|1987|6
\216|McPharlin, Luke|Ha,Fr|2000-2015|256|2013|8
\215|Bright, Terry|Ge|1976-1987|219|1987|6
\213|Douglas, Richard|Ad|2006-2017|220|2017|19
\213|Toohey, Bernard|Ge,Sy,WB|1981-1993|263|1991|12
\208|Lockett, Tony|St,Sy|1983-2002|281|1996|6
\207|Johnson, Ben L.|Co|2000-2013|235|2010|GF
\202|Selwood, Joel|Ge|2007-2017|249|2015|21
\201|King, David A.|NM|1994-2004|241|2003|3
\199|Fraser, Josh|Co,GC|2000-2012|218|2010|12
\199|Shaw, Tony|Co|1978-1994|313|1988|17
\195|Davis, Leon|Co|2000-2011|225|2010|12

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Gms|Player|Club(s)|Career
\321|Matthews, Leigh|Ha|1969-1985
\295|Roos, Paul|Fi,Sy|1982-1998
\276|Schwass, Wayne|NM,Sy|1988-2002
\276|Tuck, Michael|Ha|1972-1991
\258|Knights, Peter|Ha|1969-1985
\255|Stevens, Anthony|NM|1989-2004
\254|Yze, Adem|Me|1995-2008
\244|Richardson, Matthew|Ri|1993-2009
\242|Camporeale, Scott|Ca,Es|1995-2007
\242|Couch, Paul|Ge|1985-1997
\241|Alves, Stan|Me,NM|1965-1979
\233|Mackie, Andrew|Ge|2004-2017
\233|Osborne, Richard|Fi,Sy,WB,Co|1982-1998
\231|Wright, Stephen|Sy|1979-1992
\229|Dunstall, Jason|Ha|1985-1998
\228|White, Jeff|Fr,Me|1995-2008
\226|Prestigiacomo, Simon|Co|1996-2010
\223|Bowden, Joel|Ri|1996-2009
\223|Platten, John|Ha|1986-1997
\221|Lockyer, Tarkyn|Co|1999-2010
\220|Barry, Leo|Sy|1995-2009
\217|Daniher, Anthony|Sy,Es|1981-1994
\216|Cordy, Neil|WB,Sy|1979-1993
\216|McPharlin, Luke|Ha,Fr|2000-2015
\216|Turner, Michael|Ge|1974-1988
\215|Bright, Terry|Ge|1976-1987
\213|Douglas, Richard|Ad|2006-2017
\213|Toohey, Bernard|Ge,Sy,WB|1981-1993
\208|Lockett, Tony|St,Sy|1983-2002
\207|Johnson, Ben L.|Co|2000-2013
\202|Selwood, Joel|Ge|2007-2017
\201|King, David A.|NM|1994-2004

Sneaks into the top 20 then but I was expecting him to be much closer to the top!

Surprised Presti hadn’t played in a draw before that same match, must’ve missed our draw with the Dogs in the late 90s.

Intrigued if you can come up with a list of most games decided by 6 points or less without ever playing in a draw? Just to see who has come closest without actually nabbing one.

 

[35Daicos]

Ma #|Player|Club(s)|Career|Gms|Year|Rd
\321|Matthews, Leigh|Ha|1969-1985|332|1985|11
\295|Roos, Paul|Fi,Sy|1982-1998|356|1996|6
\276|Schwass, Wayne|NM,Sy|1988-2002|282|2002|5
\276|Tuck, Michael|Ha|1972-1991|426|1985|11
\258|Knights, Peter|Ha|1969-1985|264|1985|11
\255|Stevens, Anthony|NM|1989-2004|292|2003|3
\254|Yze, Adem|Me|1995-2008|271|2006|21
\244|Richardson, Matthew|Ri|1993-2009|282|2007|10
\242|Camporeale, Scott|Ca,Es|1995-2007|252|2006|16
\242|Couch, Paul|Ge|1985-1997|259|1996|10
\241|Alves, Stan|Me,NM|1965-1979|266|1977|GF
\233|Mackie, Andrew|Ge|2004-2017|280|2015|21
\233|Osborne, Richard|Fi,Sy,WB,Co|1982-1998|283|1995|12
\231|Wright, Stephen|Sy|1979-1992|246|1991|12
\229|Dunstall, Jason|Ha|1985-1998|269|1996|4
\228|White, Jeff|Fr,Me|1995-2008|268|2006|21
\226|Prestigiacomo, Simon|Co|1996-2010|233|2010|12
\223|Bowden, Joel|Ri|1996-2009|265|2007|10
\223|Platten, John|Ha|1986-1997|258|1996|4
\221|Lockyer, Tarkyn|Co|1999-2010|227|2010|12
\220|Barry, Leo|Sy|1995-2009|237|2008|6
\217|Daniher, Anthony|Sy,Es|1981-1994|233|1993|2
\216|Cordy, Neil|WB,Sy|1979-1993|235|1991|12
\216|Turner, Michael|Ge|1974-1988|245|1987|6
\216|McPharlin, Luke|Ha,Fr|2000-2015|256|2013|8
\215|Bright, Terry|Ge|1976-1987|219|1987|6
\213|Douglas, Richard|Ad|2006-2017|220|2017|19
\213|Toohey, Bernard|Ge,Sy,WB|1981-1993|263|1991|12
\208|Lockett, Tony|St,Sy|1983-2002|281|1996|6
\207|Johnson, Ben L.|Co|2000-2013|235|2010|GF
\202|Selwood, Joel|Ge|2007-2017|249|2015|21
\201|King, David A.|NM|1994-2004|241|2003|3
\199|Fraser, Josh|Co,GC|2000-2012|218|2010|12
\199|Shaw, Tony|Co|1978-1994|313|1988|17
\195|Davis, Leon|Co|2000-2011|225|2010|12

3 minutes response time, Ron! In your heyday you'd have had that up in less than a minute!!

 

[Ron The Bear]

Intrigued if you can come up with a list of most games decided by 6 points or less without ever playing in a draw? Just to see who has come closest without actually nabbing one.

<= 6|Player|M|W|L|D|Club(s)|Career
\43|Nankervis, Bruce|253|119|134|0|Ge|1970-1983
\42|Blakey, John|359|190|169|0|Fi,NM|1985-2002
\37|Archer, Glenn|311|183|128|0|NM|1992-2007
\37|Carter, Rod|293|126|167|0|Fi,Sy|1974-1990
\37|McAlpine, Ivan|179|71|108|0|WB,Ha|1927-1937
\36|Bisset, George|207|92|115|0|WB,Co|1963-1974
\36|Edwards, Tyson|321|175|146|0|Ad|1995-2010
\36|McLeod, Andrew|340|185|155|0|Ad|1995-2010
\36|Thompson, Scott|308|172|136|0|Me,Ad|2001-2017
\35|Lynch, Quinten|227|128|99|0|WC,Co|2002-2013
\35|Stokes, Mathew|200|145|55|0|Ge,Es|2006-2016
\34|Carey, Wayne|272|164|108|0|NM,Ad|1989-2004
\34|Martello, Alan|255|168|87|0|Ha,Ri|1970-1983
\34|McKay, Hec|152|83|69|0|Sy|1926-1935
\33|Bell, Peter|286|156|130|0|Fr,NM,Fr|1995-2008
\33|Clarke, David E.|211|102|109|0|Ge,Ca|1971-1982
\33|Torney, Hugh|173|83|90|0|Es|1933-1943
\32|Bickley, Mark|272|138|134|0|Ad|1991-2003
\32|McCartney, Jason|182|100|82|0|Co,Ad,NM|1991-2003
\32|Moore, Kelvin D.|300|201|99|0|Ha|1970-1984
\32|Pavlich, Matthew|353|170|183|0|Fr|2000-2016
\32|Wright, Roy|195|87|108|0|Ri|1946-1959
\31|Blake, Rod|176|86|90|0|Ge|1971-1983
\31|Gaspar, Darren|228|97|131|0|Sy,Ri|1994-2007
\31|Goodwin, Simon|275|155|120|0|Ad|1997-2010
\31|Morrow, Alan|163|96|67|0|St|1957-1966
\31|Neal, Robert|220|105|115|0|Ge,St|1974-1988
\31|Neitz, David|306|140|166|0|Me|1993-2008
\30|Bell, George|120|52|68|0|Es|1933-1942
\30|Hawkins, Jack|182|88|94|0|Ge|1973-1981
\30|Rutten, Ben|229|129|100|0|Ad|2003-2014
\30|Scanlan, Joe|148|75|73|0|Sy|1923-1931