Traded Dylan Shiel [traded with future 2nd to Essendon for #9 and future 1st round pick]

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Because he is contracted to you can't just trade him to someone against his will, if you try and do that he can just wait 12 months and sign at a club of his choice as a free agent.

Ummm
We dont have to trade him at all. He's a contracted player and cant simply move to the club of his choice.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

It's a players market is why.

Yep
Google Cam Mcarthy

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Ummm
We dont have to trade him at all. He's a contracted player and cant simply move to the club of his choice.

That's also correct, then he's free to do whatever he wants in 12 months time as a free agent.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Yep
Google Cam Mcarthy

Got to go home eventually.

95% of the time a player nominates a club, then he'll usually get there....The other 5% is usually about politics.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

That's also correct, then he's free to do whatever he wants in 12 months time as a free agent.

He's a restricted free agent then. That was always the case and a conversation for next year.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

I dont think you need to you are more or less guaranteed an 80% chance of getting a 200 game player

Didn't you say along the lines of you are going to get a star for 1 and wouldn't trade?

Shiel will play 200 for you as well

 

[Procrastinator35]

He's a restricted free agent then. That was always the case and a conversation for next year.

It's a changing market now, whereby clubs are looking to maximise their return a year earlier, where they have greater power to negotiate for a better outcome & return on investment for themselves.

You've been provided with numerous examples regarding this exact scenario & practise of late, & yet you still continue to bury your head in the sand over it.

 

[TazHawk15]

Everyone loves your jokes.

True that.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

It's a changing market now, whereby clubs are looking to maximise their return a year earlier, where they have greater power to negotiate for a better outcome & return on investment for themselves.

You've been provided with numerous examples regarding this exact scenario & practise of late, & yet you still continue to bury your head in the sand over it.

While I agree with you, gws don't need to maximise their potential.

If I was gws, I would hold onto Shiel and hope they win a comp with him.

As a hawks fan, you would know better than giving up on the present.

 

[MasterSamurai]

So by my count, Hawthorn will have Gaff, Shiel, Wingard, Mitch McGovern, Brad Hill coming home and maybe even Tom Lynch. Also Coniglio will apparently be coming there next year as well. Do you guys even listen to yourselves?

No

 

[drewmont4]

Keruzer plus pp pick gws
Shiel to Carlton

 

[Procrastinator35]

While I agree with you, gws don't need to maximise their potential.

If I was gws, I would hold onto Shiel and hope they win a comp with him.

As a hawks fan, you would know better than giving up on the present.

If one is to believe the rumours, they are under tremendous cap-pressure for 2019.....And shiel is on very big coin.

Jettisoning him early would mean not having to give up another 2 wanted players, & allow them to also pick up an extra first rounder.....And if he's going in 2019 anyways, then that means losing 3 players & having no first rounder this year in a draft far deeper than the next.

It's not just for our benefit.....That would be silly.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

It's a changing market now, whereby clubs are looking to maximise their return a year earlier, where they have greater power to negotiate for a better outcome & return on investment for themselves.

You've been provided with numerous examples regarding this exact scenario & practise of late, & yet you still continue to bury your head in the sand over it.

Your post actually contains nothing of substance.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

If one is to believe the rumours, they are under tremendous cap-pressure for 2019.....And shiel is on very big coin.

Jettisoning him early would mean not having to give up another 2 wanted players, & allow them to also pick up an extra first rounder.....And if he's going in 2019 anyways, then that means losing 3 players & having no first rounder this year in a draft far deeper than the next.

It's not just for our benefit.....That would be silly.

The only part of your post that makes sense is the possible 1st rounder for this year. And Shiel is better than a 1st rounder for the next 12 months.

Otherwise they have no reason to trade him.

Hopeful much???

 

[MasterSamurai]

Your post actually contains nothing of substance.

Not sure why you guys getting worked up mate?? The two clubs have already met and flushed out potentially doing a trade/picks, so, if it suits gws then it’s ON! Out of everybody else’s control.
The scuttlebutt is getting louder as journos have been sounding out Hawks/Shiel connection more and more but the hawks DO have a fair few irons in the fire so we gotta sit back and just wait which way it’s gonna land. Trust me, no ones gonna get dudded.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

Not sure why you guys getting worked up mate?? The two clubs have already met and flushed out potentially doing a trade/picks, so, if it suits gws then it’s ON! Out of everybody else’s control.
The scuttlebutt is getting louder as journos have been sounding out Hawks/Shiel connection more and more but the hawks DO have a fair few irons in the fire so we gotta sit back and just wait which way it’s gonna land. Trust me, no ones gonna get dudded.

We will see.

 

[nickh32]

Keruzer plus pp pick gws
Shiel to Carlton

Kreuzer may not play again. Would take a brave club to take someone who has had shocking run of injuries and now a heart condition.

 

[Colonial]

Keruzer plus pp pick gws
Shiel to Carlton

No thanks.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

Keruzer plus pp pick gws
Shiel to Carlton

I am sure this is a piss take. I want to use the T word.

If not, has to be the funniest post ever

 

[Its Manbearpig]

Way too early to be making such a call like that.

I didn't ask the question. I am within my rights to attempt to answer it. Of course that can change.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Not sure why you guys getting worked up mate?? The two clubs have already met and flushed out potentially doing a trade/picks, so, if it suits gws then it’s ON! Out of everybody else’s control.
The scuttlebutt is getting louder as journos have been sounding out Hawks/Shiel connection more and more but the hawks DO have a fair few irons in the fire so we gotta sit back and just wait which way it’s gonna land. Trust me, no ones gonna get dudded.

Why do you imagine I'm worked up?

 

[Procrastinator35]

The only part of your post that makes sense is the possible 1st rounder for this year. And Shiel is better than a 1st rounder for the next 12 months.

Otherwise they have no reason to trade him.

Nah, it all makes sense mate....I've provided plenty of reasons for why it makes sense for them to trade him now.

Your post actually contains nothing of substance.

 

[Orange Agent]

If one is to believe the rumours, they are under tremendous cap-pressure for 2019.....And shiel is on very big coin.

Jettisoning him early would mean not having to give up another 2 wanted players, & allow them to also pick up an extra first rounder.....And if he's going in 2019 anyways, then that means losing 3 players & having no first rounder this year in a draft far deeper than the next.

It's not just for our benefit.....That would be silly.

Please define what you think very big coin is?

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Nah, it all makes sense mate....I've provided plenty of reasons for why it makes sense for them to trade him now.



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Again nothing of substance

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I'm not arguing whether or not other players have had better careers to date, because McClug and Taranto probably have, but the way "potential" and "future development" is far more dependent on height than it should be. McGrath is an excellent player and person, there's no reason that people should view him as becoming stagnant in his development while expecting others to find another gear, but they do. Hence the talk "he's been good now, but in a few years...". That talk doesn't happen with tall players.

And no, I'm not being sensitive. I'm making a point that people are subconsciously biased towards bigger players because size has inherent advantages.

So how in the **** have mccluggage and Taranto had better careers to date? Genuinely curious because McGrath followed up winning the RS with a really solid year