Autopsy Eagles defeat Hawthorn

[Off The Couch]

Ey? What you mean by that?

That Tazz needs to blow his nose

 

[Gunstall555]

Was that an apology?

It was me being sarcastic, fully aware i made an ass out of myself.

 

[Adebisi]

Had to post this...

 

[Bonscott1980]

Brand: Looks extremely shaky and unconfident. Didn't have the support he usually had and was absolutely pathetic when it came to judging the ball and positioning himself: out bodied by Yeo. Had a crack and always followed up with second efforts but his defending was horrid.

What you just figured that out,he's shocking.how do you get out bodied by Yeo?

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Again - people being realistic about our chances doesn't meant they are wrong. Have you actually watched any of our games this year? We are absolutely nowhere near premiership form and haven't played a good game since April. Quit criticising people who aren't blissfully ignorant to our current position. If you think we'll beat Adelaide, Sydney or Geelong in their current form with our current form then you are not being honest with yourself.

I've been a member of various clubs for more years than I care to remember, and in each of those clubs you always find various types of supporter. You will always have people who will not tolerate what they perceive as people turning on their own players and club. You will have others who like to look for ways to improve and therefore are critical of some players, club attitudes, etc.

Personally, I consider myself to be similar to yourself in that I take a more balanced view of how we are travelling in 2016. We may defeat Collingwood next week and end the minor round 17-5, and history will suggest we've had a pretty good year. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Through great character, we've managed to win a number of close games, and many other wins this season can be attributed to the lack of depth of lowly teams in the AFL. We have not played well, except on very rare occasions, and even then it's only been for a quarter or two, not an entire match. I would love to see a 4peat but unfortunately, unless Clarko has a genuine master plan up his sleeve, I just cannot see how we can contrive to do this.

Now, I have followed the Hawks for a long, long time, through the thick and the thin ... through the down years, through the dark days when it looked possible there will be no Hawthorn. I've experienced many wonderful memories as well.

What I ask is for Hawks supporters not to point fingers at others accusing them of not being loyal, not being a "true supporter". We all have our individual ways of supporting our club, differing opinions on how things are going, but we have one thing in common .... we ARE Hawthorn supporters and we ALL want the same thing ... for our great club to have continued success, both on and off the field.

Posters from other clubs would love nothing more than to see Hawks fans divided. Let's not give them that satisfaction. And ....... go the Hawks!!!

 

[Mr Lizard]

history will suggest we've had a pretty good year. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Agree(-ish) with the sentiment of your post, but this is ridiculous. We are in the top four, about to play finals. We are still in it.

The expectation of some supporters is over the top. Sixteen wins, possibly seventeen, but they weren't of a high enough standard?

It's a pessimistic defense mechanism, 'I feel bad because the Hawks lost, but I console myself with at least I was right, I knew we would lose.'

It is selfish, and not supportive of the team's efforts.

I'll say it again: we are still in it.

Posters from other clubs would love nothing more than to see Hawks fans divided. Let's not give them that satisfaction.

Agreed. All the selfish surrender monkeys, show a little faith.

 

[flinchfree]

.......... We may defeat Collingwood next week and end the minor round 17-5, and history will suggest we've had a pretty good year. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Disagree wholeheartedly. You're another it seems who has failed to realise the changes to the team this season.
We have had a terrific year, not a pretty good one. Our older players have summoned much of what they could, we have missed a top 10 player in the league in Rough - who also happens to play in the most important parts of the ground for our game plan, and we have gotten reasonable return from some debutants.

I thought at the start of the year we'd finish 5-6th on the ladder with a 16-6 record or 15-7.
You can't expect the unreasonable, and our midfield has been a concern for 2 years now....it's just that coaching and pinch hitting from our superstar brigade has papered over it.

Shame more can't enjoy what there is now, and see where we are and where were heading.

 

[Laurie Bingham]

I'm wondering if we could try to go a little more defensive to stem the flow of contested ball/clearances.

Send Langers and Shiels to the oppo's best two midfielders and tell them to wear them all day. Send Isaac Smith to the oppo's best outside runner/ball user and tell him the same in a horses for courses fashion
(for the Swines it would be JK3, Parker, Hanneberry, Handbaggers obviously Dangerfield, Selwood and maybe Motlop, Weages Priddis, Shuey & Gaff). At least if we continued to get smashed in these areas, it might limit the damage.

To compensate, Burgers and Cyril may have to spend more time in the centre square (where possible given what I've already said) to provide any attacking drive. Gibbo would need to become the backline general to assist in telling players where to position themselves and be third man up wherever possible given the loss of experience in the backline the above would mean (together with Stratts' injury)

I'd love to see Hodgey play as a lead up full forward, starting in the goal square 80-90% of the time.

I'm no Clarko and it's probably way too late to be experimenting with structures but I'd love to see us experimenting with more defensive midfield structures, even just for a half against Collingwood to see how it goes.

 

[Glorin]

Disagree wholeheartedly. You're another it seems who has failed to realise the changes to the team this season.
We have had a terrific year, not a pretty good one. Our older players have summoned much of what they could, we have missed a top 10 player in the league in Rough - who also happens to play in the most important parts of the ground for our game plan, and we have gotten reasonable return from some debutants.

I thought at the start of the year we'd finish 5-6th on the ladder with a 16-6 record or 15-7.
You can't expect the unreasonable, and our midfield has been a concern for 2 years now....it's just that coaching and pinch hitting from our superstar brigade has papered over it.

Shame more can't enjoy what there is now, and see where we are and where were heading.

Watch your editing. Please dont be putting other peoples words in my mouth.

 

[Flamin Joe]

Jordan Lewis, four sniffs in a 90 second post game interview...just saying.

Is that you Kevin Sheedy?

 

[flinchfree]

Watch your editing. Please dont be putting other peoples words in my mouth.

Good lord, I've had an ordinary season posting on this board by any measure!!!

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Disagree wholeheartedly. You're another it seems who has failed to realise the changes to the team this season.
We have had a terrific year, not a pretty good one. Our older players have summoned much of what they could, we have missed a top 10 player in the league in Rough - who also happens to play in the most important parts of the ground for our game plan, and we have gotten reasonable return from some debutants.

I thought at the start of the year we'd finish 5-6th on the ladder with a 16-6 record or 15-7.
You can't expect the unreasonable, and our midfield has been a concern for 2 years now....it's just that coaching and pinch hitting from our superstar brigade has papered over it.

Shame more can't enjoy what there is now, and see where we are and where were heading.

I haven't missed anything. You're happy with the way we've played? Okay. I'm not. This is what my thread was all about ... pity you missed the message.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I haven't missed anything. You're happy with the way we've played? Okay. I'm not. This is what my thread was all about ... pity you missed the message.

It was a good, well put message. Shame that people can't accept well meaning messages about our current status.

 

[Davo23]

I haven't missed anything. You're happy with the way we've played? Okay. I'm not. This is what my thread was all about ... pity you missed the message.

You don't think the coaches are sitting back drinking their lattes, saying "it's all over boys, we're done"?
I don't think any Hawthorn supporter is happy with the loss. We all want the club to win every game, but that never happens.

To make my position clear, I hate any Hawthorn loss, it ruins my day and ruins my week, it can ruin my whole year.

I have seen enough over the years to know that our club never gives up. If we lose, it's because we weren't good enough on the day.
It's never from lack of effort.

I support the team fully, and I back them to come back and win.

 

[filly]

Agree(-ish) with the sentiment of your post, but this is ridiculous. We are in the top four, about to play finals. We are still in it.

The expectation of some supporters is over the top. Sixteen wins, possibly seventeen, but they weren't of a high enough standard?

It's a pessimistic defense mechanism, 'I feel bad because the Hawks lost, but I console myself with at least I was right, I knew we would lose.'

It is selfish, and not supportive of the team's efforts.

I'll say it again: we are still in it.

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Agreed. All the selfish surrender monkeys, show a little faith.

This ABSOLUTELY...well said.

 

[Off The Couch]

You don't think the coaches are sitting back drinking their lattes, saying "it's all over boys, we're done"?
I don't think any Hawthorn supporter is happy with the loss. We all want the club to win every game, but that never happens.

To make my position clear, I hate any Hawthorn loss, it ruins my day and ruins my week, it can ruin my whole year.

I have seen enough over the years to know that our club never gives up. If we lose, it's because we weren't good enough on the day.
It's never from lack of effort.

I support the team fully, and I back them to come back and win.

So does Adelaide Hawk - all he is saying that while they are currently in top 4, the wins while wins haven't been of the same quality as in previous years and cracks are starting to appear and that was to be expected and that it's going to be tough to get the 4th.

He goes on to say that regardless of that he will continue to support the Hawks as he has always done and enjoy these great moments that we have experienced for many years to come.

To express those views doesn't mean he is a fickle supporter or a bandwagoner or hates the club or is giving up on this season. He is just being pragmatic in his view as have others and just because some are the eternal optimists they are also dismissive at times and extremely condescending of others views and in what maybe a blow to their ego's, I'm just going to point out that it makes them no more a loyal supporter than anybody else.

 

[Gralin]

I think if we win next week and finish the H&a 17-5 without Rough for the year, with Schoey playing 3-4 games
With 7 debutantes and with multiple structural posts held down by players with less than 50 games we can consider it a success in the context of the year.
Finishing top 4 during a transitional year with the injuries we have had is a massive effort.

It may not have been pretty, it may not end in a flag and it may be an indictment in the rest of the comp in the eyes of some but to me this year had been a good one.

If we somehow win it from here it will be a massive achievement but just being in a position to compete come finals for a shot at our 6th prelim, 5th grand final and hopefully fourth flag in a row is a massive achievement.

It might be the most average we've looked since 2010 but it's big for mine. Really depends on your expectations and how you look at what we've done so far this year

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I love that people don't think the quality of our wins matter. Remember when Fremantle won 17 games last year but with a percentage of 118%. The grand final was then contested between the two teams with percentages over 140%.

Despite leading the competition from round 4 onwards last year, no-one in the press or in the betting realm really gave Freo much of a chance of winning the flag. Why is that? Because the quality of footy you're playing matters. Sydney and Adelaide are now more favoured by the punters - why? Because both sides are playing better than we are.

I want to be wrong on this, more than anything. But our current form is not going to win us a premiership. Is our side capable of playing premiership caliber football - absolutely. Do we have the best coach in the modern era who can't be counted out for delivering a premiership even with the players we have out - damn right we do. Should we be proud of making the top 4 regardless of the brand of footy we are playing when you consider Roughy being out and blooding so many new players - 100% we should.

But, if you think that our form from the last 4-5 weeks is going to get the job done in the finals - then this cartoon is representative of that thinking:

 

[In2theWild]

A Sydney v Adelaide GF?....What a glorious proposition to consider for all Victorians!!? Melbourne will be awash with such joy, colour and fervor of excitement!!! Perhaps the game could be moved to Etihad or a Pascoe Vale reserve perhaps... nah it'd be a cracker

 

[Gralin]

A Sydney v Adelaide GF?....What a glorious proposition to consider for all Victorians!!? Melbourne will be awash with such joy, colour and fervor of excitement!!! Perhaps the game could be moved to Etihad or a Pascoe Vale reserve perhaps... nah it'd be a cracker

The only advantage for me in that scenario is I can go to a grand final BBQ for the first time in five years.

 

[Davo23]

I love that people don't think the quality of our wins matter. Remember when Fremantle won 17 games last year but with a percentage of 118%. The grand final was then contested between the two teams with percentages over 140%.

Despite leading the competition from round 4 onwards last year, no-one in the press or in the betting realm really gave Freo much of a chance of winning the flag. Why is that? Because the quality of footy you're playing matters. Sydney and Adelaide are now more favoured by the punters - why? Because both sides are playing better than we are.

I want to be wrong on this, more than anything. But our current form is not going to win us a premiership. Is our side capable of playing premiership caliber football - absolutely. Do we have the best coach in the modern era who can't be counted out for delivering a premiership even with the players we have out - damn right we do. Should we be proud of making the top 4 regardless of the brand of footy we are playing when you consider Roughy being out and blooding so many new players - 100% we should.

But, if you think that our form from the last 4-5 weeks is going to get the job done in the finals - then this cartoon is representative of that thinking:

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I get that you're saying we should be panicking, but what's the point?

We are what we are, we can't suddenly add a 25 year old Leigh Matthews to the team.

But you can bet that our coaches and players are gearing up for a huge final series.

That's all that matters.

 

[Off The Couch]

I didn't read it as panicking more an acknowledgement that sometimes things aren't always what they seem

 

[Davo23]

I didn't read it as panicking more an acknowledgement that sometimes things aren't always what they seem

Is that the point of his cartoon?

 

[Roger Rogerson]

The side that is in the best form during september wins it. At the moment based upon our recent form and also our form across the season it is hard to confident. We can only hope we find form at the right time of season.

The last 3 seasons we have looked dominant at times during the year. You cannot say that this season.

Now that Cegs has gone down things become even harder.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

You don't think the coaches are sitting back drinking their lattes, saying "it's all over boys, we're done"?
I don't think any Hawthorn supporter is happy with the loss. We all want the club to win every game, but that never happens.

To make my position clear, I hate any Hawthorn loss, it ruins my day and ruins my week, it can ruin my whole year.

I have seen enough over the years to know that our club never gives up. If we lose, it's because we weren't good enough on the day.
It's never from lack of effort.

I support the team fully, and I back them to come back and win.

I'm not talking about 1 loss. I'm talking about the entire season. A couple of weeks ago, we had yet another "bad day", we were thrashed by Melbourne ... a team who at 1/2 time today is trailing Carlton by 21 points.

Ah, forget it. Too many people in here blinded by optimism to discuss this with.