Eddie McGuire attacks AFL's 'cheats'

[dymot]

I am going to respond to this as positively as I can so as to save this important thread from ending in the Bay. Everything you say here is an oversimplification.
1. It's not like we are being awarded 17 home games. Some other teams have home games at the G too. Seriously though, we have a massive following. Which teams get less gate money when they play Collingwood because people reckon we play at the G too often?
2. Lack of travel? We play the same interstate games as several other teams, and less than a number of others. I never here about other clubs being part of some conspiracy. I also don't count selling home games interstate.
3. Arguably tanked? We didn't even come last. Maybe we did, maybe we didn't. I don't know. Neither do you.
4. This was also your point two.
5. More assistance than any other club? From whom? Is because we have a massive following we get "assistance" from the members etc? I guess that is unfair on some level. I always understood this as a by-product of the club dominating during the depression and allowing fans in for free. I can see an argument as to that being a little unfair. I don't think it means "Collingwood gets more assistance then any other club". I think that is plain wrong.

I think this is an important discussion. For the record, I support welfare type measures. I don't want to see poorer clubs fail if that is his meaning. Everyone I think is entitled to the collective success of the game, not just those with big followings

Geelong gets given lower profit polaying a G home game than playing a KP home match against Maagpies.

 

[Mattrox]

I think having the ability to fill the mcg is why they get so many games. Imagine the dead atmosphere at a port-north game at the g.

What about Collingwood playing Geelong at KP?

 

[Koki Freelander]

Geelong gets given lower profit polaying a G home game than playing a KP home match against Maagpies.

Then the Cats should definitely do that. I don't actually know for sure, but that doesn't sound right. You get "the gate" as they say for a Pies v Cats home game. So you get more "gate" with a third of the fans? May I ask why the situation persists if what you are saying is true?

 

[BEEG]

Can not see the issue with what he said

We do not want cheats in our great game look how its set the NRL back

It is about time some of the clubs give back instead of holding their hand out and sooking how unfair the comp is

 

[Hodgepodge]

He's talking about the slate being wiped clean for recent transgressors, so I think we can assume Essendon?

 

[mic59]

Hate people who say Collingwood don't travel, we play the same amount of interstate games as Carlton, Essendon, Hawthorn and Richmond. (I do not count interstate games when you have sold a home game). Melbourne and Richmond have there training base in the same precinct. The MCC mandates that Collingwood play a certain amount of games at the MCG each season, that is out of Eddies control.

So because there are 3 other teams out of 17 who are just as bad then that makes it OK? I am not including Hawthorn in calculations because York Park may be somewhere they play some home games but it is still out of Victoria.

 

[Koki Freelander]

So because there are 3 other teams out of 17 who are just as bad then that makes it OK? I am not including Hawthorn in calculations because York Park may be somewhere they play some home games but it is still out of Victoria.

That's not what I am saying. I think you see the point though. There are no threads about the Melbourne FC conspiracy of not playing enough games interstate. I do count Hawthorn. It's the clubs choice to play those games and they make money from it. This has become a Collingwood conspiracy theory thread so I personally don't believe sold interstate home games fits that bill. But I see your point

 

[FuManchu]

Hardly call playing Sydney at a nuetral ground a away game.

How do we get to that neutral ground 500 miles away?

I'm guessing it's called 'travelling'

 

[dymot]

Then the Cats should definitely do that. I don't actually know for sure, but that doesn't sound right. You get "the gate" as they say for a Pies v Cats home game. So you get more "gate" with a third of the fans? May I ask why the situation persists if what you are saying is true?

We are banned from doing it due to the league saying we can't. This is due to Eddie and whinging like he did with Brisbane in 2003 re their cap payments.

 

[Koki Freelander]

We are banned from doing it due to the league saying we can't. This is due to Eddie and whinging like he did with Brisbane in 2003 re their cap payments.

That's where you lose me. The idea that a powerful club like Geelong has no choice but to accept a massive financial disadvantage because of some 9/11 style conspiracy theory just doesn't hold a lot of water for me.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Eddie is making a case to become afl CEO.

 

[Gooroombat]

How do we get to that neutral ground 500 miles away?

I'm guessing it's called 'travelling'

Its hardly as hard as playing at the SCG is it?

 

[Beer n Skittles]

9 gave Cloke the deal not Eddie

And Visy gave Judd the deal not Carlton. How naive can you be

 

[Seedsfan]

So because there are 3 other teams out of 17 who are just as bad then that makes it OK? I am not including Hawthorn in calculations because York Park may be somewhere they play some home games but it is still out of Victoria.

But they are there home games, the want to make money out of playing there if they didn't sell them they would play 5 interstate games.

 

[Koki Freelander]

Its hardly as hard as playing at the SCG is it?

No, probably not. But, again, it's not our home game is it? It's still an away game, interstate. People are telling us we don't travel and it sounds like you might be insinuating that playing at ANZ stadium doesn't count as travel

 

[dymot]

That's where you lose me. The idea that a powerful club like Geelong has no choice but to accept a massive financial disadvantage because of some 9/11 style conspiracy theory just doesn't hold a lot of water for me.

We have to play a certain amount of home games in Melbourne that would be seen as big drawing. St Kilda was one and it got 40000 people in round 1 because it played on a Friday night and the West Gate had issues preventing traffic getting across. Others like Essendon we have had a deal since they started at Ethiad which does make us money.

 

[Seedsfan]

And Visy gave Judd the deal not Carlton. How naive can you be

But at the time your President was the CEO at Visy, Eddie is no longer CEO of Nine he has a game show and that is about it

 

[Silvagnis]

Who is he talking about?

Collingwood's dependency on pokies as one of the "big four".

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Then the Cats should definitely do that. I don't actually know for sure, but that doesn't sound right. You get "the gate" as they say for a Pies v Cats home game. So you get more "gate" with a third of the fans? May I ask why the situation persists if what you are saying is true?

We get revenue for food and bev at Kardinia Park as well. And presumably pay a fraction of the cost to use the ground on match day. Though there would be revenue going the other way as well, since Geelong offers 'Melbourne member' packages, giving members access to home and away games at the MCG and Etihad (as well as a couple at Kardinia Park). Can't imagine many Melbourne-based Geelong members signing on for a full membership, if they played all 11 home games in Geelong and it wouldn't make up for that shortfall in additional Geelong-based sign-ons.

But ultimately, the situation persists because the AFL would demand it.

 

[EOP26]

What about Collingwood playing Geelong at KP?

The last time Collingwood played at Geelong was Rd 15 July 1999.
Carlton - RD20 Aug 1997
Essendon RD21 Aug 1993

The same question could be asked about those teams too?

 

[Gooroombat]

No, probably not. But, again, it's not our home game is it? It's still an away game, interstate. People are telling us we don't travel and it sounds like you might be insinuating that playing at ANZ stadium doesn't count as travel

Is going to Geelong considered travel?

 

[Koki Freelander]

We have to play a certain amount of home games in Melbourne that would be seen as big drawing. St Kilda was one and it got 40000 people in round 1 because it played on a Friday night and the West Gate had issues preventing traffic getting across. Others like Essendon we have had a deal since they started at Ethiad which does make us money.

Yeah I hear you. But the club/AFL must be making money out of it I reckon. Someone must be.

 

[Koki Freelander]

Is going to Geelong considered travel?

I was only counting interstate games but I reckon the case could be made

 

[Koki Freelander]

We get revenue for food and bev at Kardinia Park as well. And presumably pay a fraction of the cost to use the ground on match day. Though there would be revenue going the other way as well, since Geelong offers 'Melbourne member' packages, giving members access to home and away games at the MCG and Etihad (as well as a couple at Kardinia Park). Can't imagine many Melbourne-based Geelong members signing on for a full membership, if they played all 11 home games in Geelong and it wouldn't make up for that shortfall in additional Geelong-based sign-ons.

But ultimately, the situation persists because the AFL would demand it.

It may indeed be true. I struggle to understand it on some level. So the AFL pockets the difference? I guess that would make sense. But their stated reason is revenue right? Surely the Catters must get a healthy slice of that

 

[Tiger2709]

Hate people who say Collingwood don't travel, we play the same amount of interstate games as Carlton, Essendon, Hawthorn and Richmond. (I do not count interstate games when you have sold a home game). Melbourne and Richmond have there training base in the same precinct. The MCC mandates that Collingwood play a certain amount of games at the MCG each season, that is out of Eddies control.

Well our training bases are actually in the towns where our clubs come from, so not quite the same is it?