England tour of India (4 Tests, 2 T20I, 5 ODI)

[Ill Chicken]

Fair enough, but how can you expect the Indians to prepare for away South African or English tours using their home pitches? It's not like you can simulate an Edgebaston-style greentop and overhead conditions in say Kanpur throughout the entirety of five days can you? Just doesn't happen.

I like what they're doing with the excess turn on offer to be frank. Ensuring that they win everything 4-0 rather than 2-0 with 2 highways makes for much better (and aggressive) viewing for the neutral.

Overcast conditions aren't required to make a seaming wicket. Some moisture in the wicket a week before a test and leaving grass on the pitch is required. I'm not asking India to stop preparing turning wickets, I'm asking them to give quicks at least a session and a half to work with on the first day. The ease in which the Indians were able to play the quicks from ball one is ridiculous. You can't bowl a bumper on these pitches and balls being grubbers on the first day and second day, how can that be warranted as a good pitch?

Funny you mention that in this game, when Flower's basically gotten parried for his ploy of using three seamers and just one specialist spinner (Swann). Expect that to change in test 2 when they'll dump one of the three and slot Panesar in place of him.

Define change, then. If team A (India) have scored 500+ on this wicket, team B (England) look likely to post a total no more than 250. Surely something's changed, there?

I'm not in the least suggesting that England can post a 500 if batting first, but you get the idea without needing to swap the scenario around.

I'm half-Kiwi and I'm not really looking to pick on the Australians or anything, but in 2010 they toured India for a 2 test series, won both tosses, batted first both times, scored 400+ both times, and ended up losing both times. Go figure.

Scoreboard pressure is obvious and a huge mental aspect of playing cricket in India particularly when you know the pitch is changing quickly. I'm not excusing the way teams play in India and their lack of parting with traditional line-ups, surely the Indians just laugh every time they see that opposition has only picked the one full time spinner.

The issue is about producing a cricket pitch that is conducive to all forms of the game and improves the game. These pitches don't improve India or Indian cricket. It breeds shallow, soft cricket on both sides.

As for Australia's recent results in India, we should have won the first test, once we lost that, there was no chance of winning the second with such an inexperienced bowling line-up.

 

[Ekomaira]

Dhoni has the most annoying ****in appeal in world cricket. It's like someone is smashing my head in with a hammer. And of course what makes it worse is that theres an appeal every ****in over. Death to India. Still satisfying to watch England struggle though

 

[Cooldude]

Carrom ball is a great invention

Whereas doorsa is a blight on the game

 

[Pee Tear Griffin]

Patel unlucky there I think, though he did appear to get away with one earlier against Ashwin.

 

[GOAUS!]

First wicket not to go to spin in this innings.

 

[Marshland]

We (Kiwis) weren't this terrible against the spin last month in India. England are flat out useless.

 

[amer]

No side prepares its wickets more to a home side's advantage than India does. As long as it continues they won't achieve anything.

 

[Simple Jack]

Carrom ball is a great invention

Is that the one where off spinners let it go out the front of the hand with slight leg spin from running their middle finger down the ball?

 

[Cooldude]

Is that the one where off spinners let it go out the front of the hand with slight leg spin from running their middle finger down the ball?

Yeah

More of a slider coz you hardly put enough on the ball to make it turn unless it's a raging turner

 

[Marshland]

Innings defeat for sure.

 

[Kakkle]

We (Kiwis) weren't this terrible against the spin last month in India. England are flat out useless.

31/40 of NZ wickets fell to spin. That's not terrible?

 

[Simple Jack]

Yeah

More of a slider coz you hardly put enough on the ball to make it turn unless it's a raging turner

Those are great, agree the doosra is a blight.

 

[Marshland]

31/40 of NZ wickets fell to spin. That's not terrible?

Rosco scored a ton and we made them sweat in the 2nd test.

 

[Pee Tear Griffin]

No side prepares its wickets more to a home side's advantage than India does. As long as it continues they won't achieve anything.

Err, except for series wins at home.

 

[glenferry23]

bresnan lasted 60 balls at least. 59 more than the sherminator can say.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

What a terrific scoreline to wake up to on a Sat morning!

 

[The Speaker]

I see everyone's gone quiet with England 0/105 after following on.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I see everyone's gone quiet with England 0/105 after following on.

Because the result seems inevitable. Still; come on England! Nothing pleases me more than India losing at home.

 

[Cousin Jed]

Aleem Dar had his worst umpiring day in a while.

 

[GOAUS!]

Because the result seems inevitable. Still; come on England! Nothing pleases me more than India losing at home.

Surely this couldn't be another Kolkata?

 

[Ekomaira]

Err, except for series wins at home.

yeah but that's what he means. You achieve 0 by winning all home series and losing everything else. The younguns learn nothing and you get nowhere in world ranking

 

[white stain 3]

I see everyone's gone quiet with England 0/105 after following on.

Match is going to be finished by the close of play tomorrow.

 

[amer]

Err, except for series wins at home.

yeah great. truly wonderful.

they'll never consistently win games of cricket around the world, you know what I mean.

 

[Marshland]

Khan gets Dennis's grandson, will the floodgates now open?

 

[Marshland]

Cricinfo:

A lot of people asking how the hell Gambhir is allowed to leave. I would just like to inform you he was very close to his grandmother. He grew up at her house. Don't judge here

Anybody know what happened?