Traded Esava Ratugolea [Traded to Port Adelaide for #25, #76 and #94]

[CatToTheFuture]

The quote literally said worth is determined by his contract.

It’s suppose to sound stupid because the premise of that comment is stupid

Keep up son

Yes, one of those contracts is a net negative on the player value and is the reason a player was traded and the other is a contract port adelaide wrote themselves. Perhaps you should take that deep breath instead of trying to "keep up"

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

I’m not. The same thing will happen here.

We got pick 24 and 46 (3rd) for Clark and our even later pick (60 something) that was never used the following year when only 59 players where taken.

Your offering 30 and I bet in the end will be doing similar with 3rd and 4th round picks.

Really nothing to get upset about.

Not sure why you’re inferring I’m upset about something based on my post about switching picks with Richmond for Soldo and grabbing Esava in the draft with a slightly later pick than we currently hold given the draft could be a realistic option. Whereby you came out defensively in response.

 

[tiger_tough]

Port shopping pick 25 around now.

Richmond likely in return for Soldo.

Says who?

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Yes, one of those contracts is a net negative on the player value and is the reason a player was traded and the other is a contract port adelaide wrote themselves. Perhaps you should take that deep breath instead of trying to "keep up"

It’s almost like worth isnt determined by contract :O wow worked it out

 

[Watto71]

So Port offer Esava 5 yrs at 700k possibly and Geelong want a 1st rounder
So let's say Geelong chase Butters offer him 10 years at over 1mill. Do we ask for 5 first round picks because he is at least 5 times the player ?

 

[The 747]

So Port offer Esava 5 yrs at 700k possibly and Geelong want a 1st rounder
So let's say Geelong chase Butters offer him 10 years at over 1mill. Do we ask for 5 first round picks because he is at least 5 times the player ?

What if your aunt was your uncle?

 

[STPer18]

So Port offer Esava 5 yrs at 700k possibly and Geelong want a 1st rounder
So let's say Geelong chase Butters offer him 10 years at over 1mill. Do we ask for 5 first round picks because he is at least 5 times the player ?

We'll walk him to the draft and claim Port are being unreasonable.

 

[foxdog50]

So Port offer Esava 5 yrs at 700k possibly and Geelong want a 1st rounder
So let's say Geelong chase Butters offer him 10 years at over 1mill. Do we ask for 5 first round picks because he is at least 5 times the player ?

And if that was RFA, the compensation would be a end of 1st round pick

 

[BigCat1]

So Port offer Esava 5 yrs at 700k possibly and Geelong want a 1st rounder
So let's say Geelong chase Butters offer him 10 years at over 1mill. Do we ask for 5 first round picks because he is at least 5 times the player ?

Leaving aside doubling the years isnt 5 times the offer but yeah I agree with you.

We could probably offer you 5 pick 30s. That would give u about 3000 points or pick 1.

We will throw in a 3rd rounder just so it doesnt drag into the last day for TV and upset everyone

 

[Buget]

His worth is determined by his contract.

out of interest, what has Geelong offered? it goes to reason that Geelong’s contract offer would contribute to trade value as well.

As above I can argue this in the opposite direction:

You do realise Sav is actually a person and not just some asset to pick up and move around without any consideration for him. Imagine how he’d feel after 2 years in a row having you chase him, requesting a trade and then getting mucked around. Making very clear what we expected for him before trade period in a deeply compromised and shallow draft, only for your club to reject it and trade out that Future 1st we requested for a worse outcome - almost out of spite by that point. For him to then to end up nominating for the draft 5 weeks later, a situation he clearly doesn’t want to be in.

And so on...

I get what you are suggesting. But Sav would have equal grounds to be upset with Geelong for their approach. Yes, in 2022 they were fully in their rights to say no. Sav has now completed his contract. asking 2 years in a row speaks volume.

Plus, we all just speculate.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

It’s almost like worth isnt determined by contract :O wow worked it out

How on earth do you get to that conclusion from that?

 

[Dangerousfield]

Have Geelong failed to give Rat his Costa Living Allowance? Or cut him into a can't fail property development on the Surf Coast?

Roll the dice Port, get Rat into the ND with his contract terms, take him with pick 25 (30)

Simples

 

[tswizzle]

So Port have got four players to request a trade to them yet none of them have landed after a week and a bit? What's the hold up fellas?!

Gotta have something for the last hour and the AFL trade show as there's not many other interesting deals to go.
This would've been 70 less pages of chat if this was done early.

 

[Wojcinski]

Port 0 from 4 trades done, but its all the other clubs that are hard to deal with

If you smell shit everywhere you go maybe you need to check your own shoes

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Explain to me how your contract offer says he’s worth $3.5m but your trade offer says he’s worth pick 30.

Got a link for a 3.5m contract offer from PORT?

On SM-G975F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Phar Ted]

Port 0 from 4 trades done, but its all the other clubs that are hard to deal with

If you smell s**t everywhere you go maybe you need to check your own shoes

yeah/nah - we have done one trade to get a more than reasonable pick for Esava that geelong turned down.

I'm not worried at all, deals will get done, one or two maybe won't, it's not as if we're after another JHF - they're just B graders that we're chasing.

 

[Brian McGee]

And if that was RFA, the compensation would be a end of 1st round pick

Which is only 4 picks higher than the pick port is offering Geelong. Freo finished 14th this year and it’s their pick.

 

[Phar Ted]

Got a link for a 3.5m contract offer from PORT?

On SM-G975F using BigFooty.com mobile app

Carn - it's been stated by geelong supporters over and over so it must be true.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

of course it’s irrelevant that’s a ridiculous statement.

No its an accurate one.

 

[Shadow89]

out of interest, what has Geelong offered? it goes to reason that Geelong’s contract offer would contribute to trade value as well.



I get what you are suggesting. But Sav would have equal grounds to be upset with Geelong for their approach. Yes, in 2022 they were fully in their rights to say no. Sav has now completed his contract. asking 2 years in a row speaks volume.

Plus, we all just speculate.

Oh absolutely. That's sort of the point of my response - to demonstrate how this can be spun from any angle to create any perspective.

At the end of the day, the bottom line is that each club will do what it considers to be best for their club. It doesn't make them good or bad, it's just the nature of the business. Sometimes that's overly generous, sometimes it's not.

We were happy to give up 3 firsts for Jez Cameron, or Pick 18 for Tanner Bruhn, to GWS, but then we dug our heels in over Ollie Henry, as he didn't request a trade to us until late in the piece and we weren't prepared to offer the same collateral Collingwood wanted. This is the same Collingwood where a year earlier we were happy to let Nathan Kreuger go for next to nothing, even though we wanted to keep him. Jordan Clark and Tim Kelly leaving, we again dug in. Linc McCarthy and Nakia Cockatoo who we both loved, we let go for very little. Every club does this, and it doesn't make them 'difficult', 'hard to deal with', or some other buzz word the media come with to generate their outrage and clicks for the current trade period. It's the same crap every year, and every year it's the same outcome - player gets where they want to go and all teams and parties move on.

I just laugh about it now, as the whole 'morally superior' thing is just a complete furphy. As I said, every club will do what it thinks is best for their club. Sometimes it's easy, sometimes it's hard, but at the end of the day, clubs and people move on and they're all back to do the same dance again the next year.

 

[PowerBaz]

Port 0 from 4 trades done, but its all the other clubs that are hard to deal with

If you smell s**t everywhere you go maybe you need to check your own shoes

Plenty of time yet.

 

[foxdog50]

Which is only 4 picks higher than the pick port is offering Geelong. Freo finished 14th this year and it’s their pick.

And thats why if you get Essendon 3rd round pick that will help the deal

 

[FootyLad0]

That's hindsight talking. At the time he was playing VFL. After this year sure, but I don't recall any Pies poster seriously arguing he was worth a top 10 pick last year.

They said he wasn't up to it when they dropped him for Ash Johnson. They were applauding the move.

The second he went up for trade he was a World Beater.

At least with Sav, 99% of Cats fans know what he is and aren't demanding the World.

 

[FootyLad0]

No.

It's a sure thing.

Can not lose.

Heard that one before, that's a dangerous call to make.

 

[Brian McGee]

And thats why if you get Essendon 3rd round pick that will help the deal

And that may happen in the end. I am not one who thinks that you have to win every deal, and I like deals that benefit both teams, but I firmly believe that the pick that we offered for ratagolea is more than fair. In fact probably in geelongs favour. There shouldn’t be any bad blood over this trade. It should be done already.