Essendon sign Mal Michael

[KrunchNKans]

The hard thing is proving collusion between the involved parties. Its hard to make tough decisions based on assumptions.

Hard for you and me in the pub to prove. But a different matter for the blokes in wigs with QC after their name. That's why they charge 5K a day.

 

[Santoz]

Why do they need collusion? If Mal broke contract as per the implied custom abovementioned he broke contract.

And if Essendon enticed him to break that implied custom I don't see how collusion needs to be proven.

I'm sorry but you studied Law where, you say?

 

[Longy413]

The AFL won't rush and will play its game very carefully.

The AFL won't do anything. EFC already cleared it with the AFL.

I never said nothing has to be proven. I simply noted that just because MM/Ess say something doesn't mean its true.

So I'll ask you again, are you saying EFC are lying?

A contract is an agreement. We all agree Michael was orginally contracted for 2007. How do you end a contract?

As far as the AFL are concerned, you end a contract on October 31 with the second list lodgement.

For retirement, I would use what I said before either not be affiliated with any club for a season and/or you would not be contracted under any old contract (if it still existed).

That's opinion. Not AFL rules.

The AFL isn't law.

The AFL is the entity that governs the game. They set the rules, we all play by them. The AFL say it's fair game.

And if Essendon enticed him to break that implied custom I don't see how collusion needs to be proven.

That's a bit contradictory isn't it? In proving Essendon enticed him to break his contract, aren't you proving collusion?

 

[Seth]

Jesus Longy you gonna stay up all night proving your point. Of course you pack of morons are happy with the decision. Why wouldn't you be, I just hope it all blows up in your face with any luck. Sheeds is a moron, why the hell would you want this unfaithful immoral hack of a mercenary. Did it to us, now did it to Brissy, Mal you're a dog of the highest order! Should fit it well at the bummers.

What about Nilma Darnum F.C. The Darno's should sue him as well.

 

[Longy413]

Jesus Longy you gonna stay up all night proving your point. Of course you pack of morons are happy with the decision. Why wouldn't you be, I just hope it all blows up in your face with any luck. Sheeds is a moron, why the hell would you want this unfaithful immoral hack of a mercenary. Did it to us, now did it to Brissy, Mal you're a dog of the highest order! Should fit it well at the bummers.

Because if he does it to us, we lose next to nothing.

We gave up nothing for him, we will draft six kids before him and three after him.

Steer clear of the personal insults and try and talk footy. You might actually enjoy yourself.

 

[Crow-mo]

If they had a clear legal agreement to enforce surely they would have already made it clear.

The simple fact is the player has no ties anymore to the lions and is free to do what he wishes in terms of going to another club.

C'mon open the other eye.

you just go the benefit of the Rama situation - because it was right, and made plain common sense.

now this is also a situation where plain common sense can apply - and lets not pretend otherwise. Something is wrong here, and you know it.

I think the player should be deregistered. you've lost nothing, the lions are where they thought they would be, and the player gains nothing. more importantly the integrity of the game is upheld.

 

[Crow-mo]

Brisbane are being ****ed here. anyone with ounce of common sense can see that.

 

[jules101]

Brisbane are being ****ed here. anyone with ounce of common sense can see that.

I agree they are getting ********ed but blame Mal not Essendon. We had the common sense to ask if he wanted to play AFL still. Brisbane should have waited til now before they took him off the list. Poor list management from the Lions. Great work from the Bombers.

 

[AngelEyes]

The AFL won't do anything. EFC already cleared it with the AFL.
So I'll ask you again, are you saying EFC are lying?
As far as the AFL are concerned, you end a contract on October 31 with the second list lodgement.
That's opinion. Not AFL rules.
The AFL is the entity that governs the game. They set the rules, we all play by them. The AFL say it's fair game.
That's a bit contradictory isn't it? In proving Essendon enticed him to break his contract, aren't you proving collusion?

The AFL as of this afternoon is investigating it after a complaint by Brisbane. That would seem to suggest the matter is far from over.

I never said the EFC are lying. Just noting a point just because someone says something doesn't mean its true. Courts don't believe everything everyone says and rightfully so.

I think you would be struggling to find me anywhere that the AFL defines retirement so don't give me that crap especially in the way you defined it. Is a delisted player who hasn't announced their retirement and who is likely to get picked up in one of the drafts retired just because they aren't on a list at Oct 31? My definition makes a lot more plausible sense than yours.

The issue I think extends to more than AFL - a breach of contract is a matter than is more a court issue than an AFL one. And if this is so conlcusive that the AFL governs the game, will Essendon do nothing if Mal Michael is banned after the investigation?

Collusion was mentioned in a way to suggest that Essendon had contacted and talked to Mal to plan it prior to Mal retiring. I don't think that is actually an issue. If it can be shown that Mal did break contract, the mere signing with the club to cause him to break contract is surely proof enough of Essendon enticing him to break contract. There wouldn't need to be a collusion or conspiracy.

 

[jules101]

A fair solution is Brisbane can bring Austin Lucy home...

 

[marcuz]

C'mon open the other eye.

you just go the benefit of the Rama situation - because it was right, and made plain common sense.

now this is also a situation where plain common sense can apply - and lets not pretend otherwise. Something is wrong here, and you know it.

I have already stated that it seems odd and would be angry if the shoe was on the other foot. Mal is guilty of being a little naive and a turncoat, Essendon is only guilty of being opportunistic. To suggest they told Mal to retire so they could get his free in the pre-season draft is ludicrous to say the least.

 

[AtomicBomber]

If it can be shown that Mal did break contract...

I dont really think it can be shown that he 'broke' a contract because he didnt. If there were stipulations in place preventing him from changing his mind and coming out of retirement then you might be able to make a case, however it seems far more likely by the minute that there were no such stipulations, hence, he hasn't 'broken' any contractual agreement as none was ever put in place to prevent him playing immediately if he chose to.

the mere signing with the club to cause him to break contract is surely proof enough of Essendon enticing him to break contract

Essendon has confirmed publicly that they approached AFL investigator Ken Wood regarding whether we could secure him and had been given the go-ahead

as for all the 'integrity of the draft' and similar arguments, once the AFL do their investigation and they confirm there is nothing they can or will do to prevent this move taking place, they will simply re-write some of the existing laws regarding trades and so forth in time for next years trade period.

End result?

Mal Michael to Essendon and lots of opposition supporters still hate Essendon...just for something different.

 

[marcuz]

The AFL as of this afternoon is investigating it after a complaint by Brisbane. That would seem to suggest the matter is far from over.

Investigating a matter which they all but approved after Peter Jackson rang the AFL's ken wood to see if they could draft Mal in the PSD. All the AFL needed to do to stop this was say no you cant. Nothing is stopping Mal from entering the draft as the Deed of Release the lions signed pretty much allows mal to do whatever he wants.

 

[Crow-mo]

I agree they are getting ********ed but blame Mal not Essendon. We had the common sense to ask if he wanted to play AFL still. Brisbane should have waited til now before they took him off the list. Poor list management from the Lions. Great work from the Bombers.

broadly i am ok with that.

i'd deregister mal for the coming season. i object to those bombers fans who blinded by the greed of getting an asset under dubious circumstances - are arguing that there is nothing wrong here.

this transaction is plainly wrong and should be prevented.

 

[Crow-mo]

I have already stated that it seems odd and would be angry if the shoe was on the other foot. Mal is guilty of being a little naive and a turncoat, Essendon is only guilty of being opportunistic. To suggest they told Mal to retire so they could get his free in the pre-season draft is ludicrous to say the least.

simply this is wrong and you should not be trying to take advantage of the situation.

The player should not be allowed to circumvent the system this way.

 

[zero]

broadly i am ok with that.

i'd deregister mal for the coming season. i object to those bombers fans who blinded by the greed of getting an asset under dubious circumstances - are arguing that there is nothing wrong here.

this transaction is plainly wrong and should be prevented.

too ********ing right. the integrity of the competition is what is at stake here, simple as that.

mal cant be allowed to ******** the lions in the ass

 

[Underdog]

too ********ing right. the integrity of the competition is what is at stake here, simple as that.

mal cant be allowed to ******** the lions in the ass

since when did the AFL care about integrity?