Expectations for Next Year - wins/losses

[PremiershipNo4]

How much do you all think we’ll lose Rd 1 by, personally I think we’ll be lucky to keep it under a 10 goal loss.
I’m just being honest by the way, don’t bag me out for being negative, I’m trying to be realistic, it’s going to be the same old Simmo in the coaches box.

 

[Cuzz09]

Richmond still have a number of quality players, Geelong are aging but will be around 8th position, Melbourne will thrash us. Possibly Adelaide we may beat them in perth. It really depends on the young guys, the older players have shown us nothing since the 2018 grand final.

Adelaide are on the up n up. We won't beat them for min 3 years. Their kids look good and are match fitter.


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[Cuzz09]

How much do you all think we’ll lose Rd 1 by, personally I think we’ll be lucky to keep it under a 10 goal loss.
I’m just being honest by the way, don’t bag me out for being negative, I’m trying to be realistic, it’s going to be the same old Simmo in the coaches box.

Port absolutely flogged Bris in rd1 last year on a Sunday, similar timeslot and worse oppo you'd think they'd be picking their lips for a big % start to the season unfortunately.

Fingers crossed we can be competitive

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[Cuzz09]

If we beat Port we may do a NM of last year and lose 20 in a row but live off that win

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[PremiershipNo4]

It’s time to temper expectations

 

[stallon]

I think realistically, if we have a normal injury list, and arent lucky or unlucky, we could easily be about the same as the Hawks were last year. Thats probably an ok target to aim for.
If we get lucky with injuries and have a good year, we could join the pack at the middle section of the ladder.

A fit Yeo, more mid experience and depth with guys like Petch, Duggan and Brockman able to roll through along with an extra year into the young guys, and adding Flynn should even out the midfield battle enough that our def and fwd lines can function

 

[Big_Birdy]

Looking at the draw, there are 11 games I could say we could possibly win (with variances on how likely it actually is).

So winning half those I'd say 5-6 wins is par. Seems about right.

 

[WCE_phil]

Our midfield has no depth and we are 1 injury away to Kelly to a similar stoppage deficit to last year or worse.

Even if we trim it back a bit. If we lose vs points at stoppage by 400 instead of 700 we aren't finishing outside the bottom 2.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

if we think were gonna be bad

i think hawthorn are going to be worse with their injuries.

honestly though id be happy with most home games being a win.

 

[CountryLad]

Best case we Win 7-10 games if the senior players can play the majority of our games and stand up in big moments. Our midfield is still paper thin whilst we wait for the youngsters to mature into AFL level players, an injury to Kelly or Yeo and the cupboard looks bare.

Serious Injuries to key players and our season looks more like last year with 1-3 wins but that’s the way it is currently. I think our turnaround will be quick over the next 2-3 years and we will become quite competitive however it’s hard to see a Grand final appearance any time soon, maybe later this decade if things go well.

All things considered with a more normal injury list we probably get 4-6 wins and a top 2 draft pick as we look for some improvement and consistency from the younger players.

 

[Cuzz09]

The more wins the better.

Need that winning feeling more.

If that means getting pick 3 or 4 over pick 1 or 2 then so be it.

IMO

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[ioppolo]

The more wins the better.

Need that winning feeling more.

If that means getting pick 3 or 4 over pick 1 or 2 then so be it.

IMO

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2009 vibes. Those wins at the back of the year were awesome.

 

[the harry]

Optimistically 6 wins and still bottom 4

We're likely bottom 2 and should be spoon favourites with Hawks a chance given injury list

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Optimistically 6 wins and still bottom 4

We're likely bottom 2 and should be spoon favourites with Hawks a chance given injury list

Gee whiz I struggle to see where we’re going to get 6 wins from after yesterdays performance

 

[Grahame]

For me I think the main KPI will be percentage. A better percentage will likely mean less big losses plus maybe a few more wins. But even if we have a 'reasonable' (75%?) percentage but not a lot of wins then it means we are still progressing - and - it would mean better draft picks.

 

[Cuzz09]

5-8 wins

more = better
less = worse

be in games in last qtr more often.

Kick 1 goal more per qtr and 1 less against per qtr average

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I think we've done pretty much what I expected TBH

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[PerthBoy86]

I said 5 wins was the pass mark - we have got there, but today probably reconfirmed we haven't improved that much, maybe slightly, say 15-20%, considering less injuries.

I dont actually its all that much of a talent/skill issue. Effort has been variable, but basic decision making/gameplan is what needs to be fixed. And developing youth. I just don't want to see teams transition from our f50 like a knife through hot butter.

Looking ahead to next season that needs to be the focus, not so concerned with no of wins. If we went from 3 wins to 5 this season, 7 wins with a % around 80 should be the target though.

 

[Cuzz09]

Yeah agreed

7-10 would be AMAZING

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[MrWoollie]

I can't see us escaping the bottom four.
6 wins would be a solid step up, more than that an absolute bonus.
Home - Become hard to beat at home. Not saying we'll win even half our home games, but ensure teams leaving Perth know they've been tested. 10 goal or more losses are hopefully out.
Away - Try not to get any 100 point losses. Win a game or two away.
Percentage - try for 80, anything below 70 is unacceptable.

Position -
Wins - nearly
Home - yes we were better but 10 goal losses still exist
Away - So far no 100 point losses (99 to the Cows) but that may change at GBH this week. Won in Tassie, so got one away win.
Percentage - currently 70 but that may fall.

It's not like me to be optimistic but it looks like I was a little bit that way.

 

[stallon]

I said 5 wins was the pass mark - we have got there, but today probably reconfirmed we haven't improved that much, maybe slightly, say 15-20%, considering less injuries.

I dont actually its all that much of a talent/skill issue. Effort has been variable, but basic decision making/gameplan is what needs to be fixed. And developing youth. I just don't want to see teams transition from our f50 like a knife through hot butter.

Looking ahead to next season that needs to be the focus, not so concerned with no of wins. If we went from 3 wins to 5 this season, 7 wins with a % around 80 should be the target though.

Agree, we have talent on the list.
Look at the Hawks list for example, they dont have a heap of high picks and hidden gems they found in the draft getting them wins. Its just confidence, gameplan, and the right role players around a good core group.

No reason some of the kids we have wont be as good as some of the guys in the Hawks best 22 within 2 years, then we have Harley as the cream on top.

I think we could win 8-9 next year if we stay relatively healthy again, but 7 is a good target.
Definitely dont want to fall back into the bottom 2

 

[PerthBoy86]

Agree, we have talent on the list.
Look at the Hawks list for example, they dont have a heap of high picks and hidden gems they found in the draft getting them wins. Its just confidence, gameplan, and the right role players around a good core group.

No reason some of the kids we have wont be as good as some of the guys in the Hawks best 22 within 2 years, then we have Harley as the cream on top.

I think we could win 8-9 next year if we stay relatively healthy again, but 7 is a good target.
Definitely dont want to fall back into the bottom 2

Yeah when skilful players like Yeo and Kelly are making basic skill errors you know something is off with the way the team plays together. Duggo was okay, from what I saw, but the turnovers/inability to chain a few possessions was stroke inducing. Witho knocking it out instead of marking was inexplicable. Players running into oppo players, running sideways, backwards handballs. It's passive, defensive, timid, football. Fuffing about. Take a leaf out of the Hawks book and just have an attacking mindset, for Gods sake. Sadly Darling is a total liability (who occasionally steps up) and surely can't go on next season, except as emergency sub. Flyin tried but just could never really find time and space. We just always look so cramped while the oppo has tons of space. Like a chess game.

Reid tried and I think was a bit better, but he's not getting support. Ginbey needs to step up, Hough had moments. Edwards not bad.

I think this might be a real test of character for not only the club, coaching staff, staff, players etc, but the supporters/members. As a club mostly spoilt for success we can't comprehend the extended periods of being terrible/mediocre like Carlton, Essendon, St Kilda etc. A few years out of finals and we get antsy. Though the gap between flag no 2 and 3 felt big for me, as they happened when I was 8 and 20 respectively...but I just can't see any rapid rise, it's going to be years of a slow development before we contend again.

Sadly I'm thinking bottom 4 is likely again next season. Even if we do improve, surely St Kilda and Adelaide improve even more. Both are still potential 5-8 sides imo. Be surprised if us, Rich and North are not bottom 3 again next season. Not sure most of the rest of the 2018 premiership side will see the climb of the rebuild.

 

[stallon]

Yeah when skilful players like Yeo and Kelly are making basic skill errors you know something is off with the way the team plays together. Duggo was okay, from what I saw, but the turnovers/inability to chain a few possessions was stroke inducing. Witho knocking it out instead of marking was inexplicable. Players running into oppo players, running sideways, backwards handballs. It's passive, defensive, timid, football. Fuffing about. Take a leaf out of the Hawks book and just have an attacking mindset, for Gods sake. Sadly Darling is a total liability (who occasionally steps up) and surely can't go on next season, except as emergency sub. Flyin tried but just could never really find time and space. We just always look so cramped while the oppo has tons of space. Like a chess game.

Reid tried and I think was a bit better, but he's not getting support. Ginbey needs to step up, Hough had moments. Edwards not bad.

I think this might be a real test of character for not only the club, coaching staff, staff, players etc, but the supporters/members. As a club mostly spoilt for success we can't comprehend the extended periods of being terrible/mediocre like Carlton, Essendon, St Kilda etc. A few years out of finals and we get antsy. Though the gap between flag no 2 and 3 felt big for me, as they happened when I was 8 and 20 respectively...but I just can't see any rapid rise, it's going to be years of a slow development before we contend again.

Sadly I'm thinking bottom 4 is likely again next season. Even if we do improve, surely St Kilda and Adelaide improve even more. Both are still potential 5-8 sides imo. Be surprised if us, Rich and North are not bottom 3 again next season. Not sure most of the rest of the 2018 premiership side will see the climb of the rebuild.

I dont think we have less talent than Adelaide or the Saints. Saints just have a gameplan that works for them, and Adelaide is just a few years ahead of us in their rebuild.

Give us a new gameplan, and probably 12 months to get fully across it, a bunch of new players to replace the list cloggers and then see where we sit. 8-10 list changes this year and 5-6 more next year will drastically change how our best 22 looks, in terms of effort and enthusiasm in particular

 

[PerthBoy86]

I dont think we have less talent than Adelaide or the Saints. Saints just have a gameplan that works for them, and Adelaide is just a few years ahead of us in their rebuild.

Give us a new gameplan, and probably 12 months to get fully across it, a bunch of new players to replace the list cloggers and then see where we sit. 8-10 list changes this year and 5-6 more next year will drastically change how our best 22 looks, in terms of effort and enthusiasm in particular

I'm no expert on how the youth of each compares, but yeah, I don't think we're as bereft of talent as the naysayers say. To be sure there are big holes, but with some good drafting/trading we'll be okay. We're far from the finished product in terms of a rebuilding side. The issue lies more with coaching and gameplan. Indeed, our few wins relied on sheer pressure and players playing out of their skins, even then it wasn't so much a system/tactical win. Get rid of this corralling total zone based defence and just play more one on one.

We need a gameplan/style that plays to our strengths. Maybe we're finding the right mix too.

I agree, I think most Eagles fans feel we need to have that long overdue list clean out. Not sure exactly what new things Schoey is bringing. If he's to be the man I'd say give me a full season to try things out.

 

[KERRPOW]

Yeah when skilful players like Yeo and Kelly are making basic skill errors you know something is off with the way the team plays together. Duggo was okay, from what I saw, but the turnovers/inability to chain a few possessions was stroke inducing. Witho knocking it out instead of marking was inexplicable. Players running into oppo players, running sideways, backwards handballs. It's passive, defensive, timid, football. Fuffing about. Take a leaf out of the Hawks book and just have an attacking mindset, for Gods sake. Sadly Darling is a total liability (who occasionally steps up) and surely can't go on next season, except as emergency sub. Flyin tried but just could never really find time and space. We just always look so cramped while the oppo has tons of space. Like a chess game.

Reid tried and I think was a bit better, but he's not getting support. Ginbey needs to step up, Hough had moments. Edwards not bad.

I think this might be a real test of character for not only the club, coaching staff, staff, players etc, but the supporters/members. As a club mostly spoilt for success we can't comprehend the extended periods of being terrible/mediocre like Carlton, Essendon, St Kilda etc. A few years out of finals and we get antsy. Though the gap between flag no 2 and 3 felt big for me, as they happened when I was 8 and 20 respectively...but I just can't see any rapid rise, it's going to be years of a slow development before we contend again.

Sadly I'm thinking bottom 4 is likely again next season. Even if we do improve, surely St Kilda and Adelaide improve even more. Both are still potential 5-8 sides imo. Be surprised if us, Rich and North are not bottom 3 again next season. Not sure most of the rest of the 2018 premiership side will see the climb of the rebuild.

The yeo/kelly/reid combo in the middle doesnt work as all three go for the ball. Its clunky at best.

Kelly needs to be played as a HFF that pushes up rather than being played in the middle.

Duggan can go in the middle as a defensive mid.

 

[PerthBoy86]

The yeo/kelly/reid combo in the middle doesnt work as all three go for the ball. Its clunky at best.

Kelly needs to be played as a HFF that pushes up rather than being played in the middle.

Duggan can go in the middle as a defensive mid.

I think they also all play similar roles/are similar types of players. Contested beasts who try to burst out of packs, push forward etc. Agree Kelly needs to push forward more.

What we desperately need is that half back rebounding type, which is where Liam Baker or a similar player would fit in.