F1 F1 2024 thread

[darth_timon]

Well I always thought of it as a general F1 forum.

Big Footy in general is an Australian forum, with mostly Aussies posting and commenting. It's of no surprise that it would lean towards discussing and promoting Australian sporting stars, and the overlap with the English stems from a lot of sporting rivalry, as well as strong historical links going back generations.

 

[Galaxie77]

Big Footy in general is an Australian forum, with mostly Aussies posting and commenting. It's of no surprise that it would lean towards discussing and promoting Australian sporting stars, and the overlap with the English stems from a lot of sporting rivalry, as well as strong historical links going back generations.

Yes thats true, but F1 is an international sport. And some of us follow other teams

 

[darth_timon]

Yes thats true, but F1 is an international sport. And some of us follow other teams

Agreed, just bear in mind that hostility towards Australians, for supporting Australians, on an Aussie forum, won't lend itself to anything good.

 

[Galaxie77]

Agreed, just bear in mind that hostility towards Australians, for supporting Australians, on an Aussie forum, won't lend itself to anything good.

Theres always been some banter back and forth. just comes with most forums.

 

[Tandy]

Agreed, just bear in mind that hostility towards Australians, for supporting Australians, on an Aussie forum, won't lend itself to anything good.

Was about to bite, then I seen this. Cooler heads prevail! I agree

 

[Forward Press]

Brawn wins the championship in 2009.
They don't have the funds to carry on but MB buys them
They didn't develop the car for 2010, but it doesn't matter as it's a transition year while MB implements their processes.
They improve in 2011
They improve further in 2012 which includes winning a race.
There's the knowledge of the new engines for 2014 which MB has a head start on.
There's the intent to ween off their relationship with Mclaren, who were effectively the factory MB team, as they now have their own team.
They built engines for McLaren from 1995 to 2012, where they won titles and were almost always in the top 3.

F1 fans says Lewis Hamilton left McLaren at the end of the 2012 season for an "unknown quantity".

I'm not offended by being called "obtuse" like Bob Gunton's character in The Shawshank Redemption because that term doesn't apply to me.

You are being obtuse because that line of reasoning is specious and none of them flowed naturally into the next. Benefit of hindsight for half of those statements you made.

Based on your logic, every driver should have called their agent to join Mercedes at the end of 2012 if they were such a sure thing.

"Team improved in 2012 and even won a race (ignore that we finished way behind 4th in the WCC and had two podiums in total out of a possible 40 that year), get on them for 2013!"
"Only Mercedes understood the regulation changes for 2014! Every other team forgot the rules were changing!"
"Merc bought some of the IP from Brawn only three years ago, lock them in for seven WCC!"
"McLaren are about to head into mid-table obscurity, sure they won races and finished 3rd only just behind Ferrari and Red Bull, they are done, the Silver Arrows are gonna rock up with a dominant car!"

No, here's the real reaction from the experts at the time:

"Mercedes is a great partner of ours and they are a great team. But for anyone leaving McLaren, and he wants to win, I think that's a mistake because I have faith and belief in this team. Whether you measure it over the last four races, four years or 40 years, we're a fantastic team. So I would say to any driver who wanted to win in this sport: 'Come and join McLaren and aspire to join McLaren'. I wouldn't advise anyone to leave McLaren if they want to win" - Martin Whitmarsh, McLaren.

"It is his decision, although I personally don't think it is the right decision" - Jenson Button, McLaren.

"He has looked at the roulette wheel and put everything on silver. He has quit McLaren, a team of proven, habitual winners, and decided to take flight with the Silver Arrows of Mercedes. If he has got this one wrong, he will rue the decision for the next three peak years of his career and probably for the rest of his life. - Paul Weaver, The Guardian.

"With the field as intensely competitive as ever, now is completely the wrong time to embark on such a project. As it now stands, one of the sport's leading lights seems to have been sold a dream and a promise - if he can stick out the difficult first season, his gamble may come to fruition. Yet if he doesn't, we might be watching the sad sight of a man with limitless potential and huge talent witnessing his chance to make a legacy rot away in mid-grid purgatory. That's the risk, and it is hard to be convinced that it outweighs the potential glory" - Ed Owen, The Sports Review.

"I don't see Lewis winning races in 2013 - and there has to be doubts that the car will be good enough in 2014. And it is easy for a lean couple of years to develop into something longer. Just look what happened to Jacques Villeneuve after he joined BAR having won the title in 1997. He never won another race. Lewis has got a tough task ahead of him at Mercedes. It is a gamble" - Allan McNish, Audi.

"Lewis Hamilton does not know much about racing history and so cannot learn from the mistakes of others. Perhaps he thinks that if it fails he will at least have the consolation of earning loads more money and being a bigger star, thanks to his hustling management that will sell his image here, there and everywhere. That might make him an international celebrity on a bigger scale than he is, but it will not make him a racing legend. Perhaps Mercedes will pull it off and then Hamilton will look clever, but I fear that this will be a move similar to James Hunt joining Wolf; Emerson Fittipaldi joining Fittipaldi, Jacques Villeneuve moving to BAR or Niki Lauda's ill-fated move to Brabham. History relates that you do not leave a winning team in F1 unless it is to go to another proven winner…" - Joe Saward, GP+ e-magazine.

"Only time will tell if he has made an inspired choice or driven his career up a cul-de-sac. In the meantime, it's fair to say that the 27-year-old has taken an almighty gamble in fixing his future to a team without much of a history (in its current guise at least). In mitigation, Mercedes should be in pole position when the new engine regulations are introduced for 2014, and if Hamilton believes he needs the challenge of being a driving-force and not just a driver then who are we to argue? But at this stage it's hard to shake off the impression that, if we are to treat this solely as a F1 decision, Hamilton has gambled everything on a hunch which owes more to emotion than calculation. Time can't come quickly enough" - Pete Gill, Sky Sports Online.

In time, we found out that Niki Lauda was needed to push Hamilton over the line to join Mercedes as he was still not that keen on leaving McLaren, but trying to rewrite history to say that he and everyone else in the paddock (and apparently the true fans like yourself) knew it was a sure thing is why you're being labelled 'obtuse'.

 

[DamoESP]

So from the sounds of it, there are quite a few staff following HAM to Ferrari, as from reports he doesnt want to "make the same mistake as Vettel" with trusting Ferrari to get the right staff around him.
Names of those reported to be following him are: Loic Serra, Mike Sansoni, Peter Bonnington, Riccardo Musconi, and Andrew Shovlin.
This is a fair bit of brain drain from Merc if true.


Some more info here:

 

[Not Important]

So from the sounds of it, there are quite a few staff following HAM to Ferrari, as from reports he doesnt want to "make the same mistake as Vettel" with trusting Ferrari to get the right staff around him.
Names of those reported to be following him are: Loic Serra, Mike Sansoni, Peter Bonnington, Riccardo Musconi, and Andrew Shovlin.
This is a fair bit of brain drain from Merc if true.


Some more info here:

seems like he's been contemplating this for some time.

 

[Tandy]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/motorsport/formula-one/ricciardos-red-bull-bombshell-news-slips-out/news-story/969a1668f97cef6b9476bcf7fa89ac22

News.com.au is absolute trash nowadays.

According to F1 Insider, Marko has let slip news of Ricciardo’s future, suggesting the 34-year-old may be signed with Red Bull beyond the 2024 season.

Followed by

F1 Insider reports Marko has told the publication: “Ricciardo still has a long-term contract and is not available (for Mercedes)”.

So they are implying he has secretly signed with RB passed 2024 lol they can't even confirm he said it to the publication so they have to say reports he told. Think I'm not going to click on this junk anymore
.

 

[happy_eagle]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/motorsport/formula-one/ricciardos-red-bull-bombshell-news-slips-out/news-story/969a1668f97cef6b9476bcf7fa89ac22

News.com.au is absolute trash nowadays.

According to F1 Insider, Marko has let slip news of Ricciardo’s future, suggesting the 34-year-old may be signed with Red Bull beyond the 2024 season.

Followed by

F1 Insider reports Marko has told the publication: “Ricciardo still has a long-term contract and is not available (for Mercedes)”.

So they are implying he has secretly signed with RB passed 2024 lol they can't even confirm he said it to the publication so they have to say reports he told. Think I'm not going to click on this junk anymore
.

I love how they also speculate the Alpha Tauri are going to be renamed as Racing Bulls, as if it wasn't announced weeks ago.

You could honestly just get Chat GPT to write news.com.au articles these days and nobody would notice.

 

[Vader]

I love how they also speculate the Alpha Tauri are going to be renamed as Racing Bulls, as if it wasn't announced weeks ago.

You could honestly just get Chat GPT to write news.com.au articles these days and nobody would notice.

They'd definitely notice the increase in quality of the articles.

 

[FR0GGY]

seems like he's been contemplating this for some time.

Wasn’t there strong rumors last year in the offseason?

 

[Not Important]

Wasn’t there strong rumors last year in the offseason?

there have been 'rumours' for yonks.

 

[Forward Press]

Something big might be brewing at Red Bull over possible misconduct by Christian Horner at an event.

 

[DamoESP]

Something big might be brewing at Red Bull over possible misconduct by Christian Horner at an event.

Horner has been quick to deny it:

F1 News: Christian Horner Speaks Out On Red Bull Investigation Over Misconduct Allegations

Red Bull team principal Christian Horner has addressed the allegations of misconduct.

www.si.com

 

[jabba5114]

Williams new car

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[Tandy]

I've typed and deleted what I want to say re allegations but have decided probably best not to say anything lol.

 

[skam85]

Naughty Spice

 

[Forward Press]

Naughty Spice

"Horny Horner" was right there.

Anyway outright denial is pretty much a default position and I wonder if RB will try and bury this or actually let the independent investigation do it's job.

 

[Jatz]

Is it suggested it was sexual in nature?

 

[DamoESP]

Is it suggested it was sexual in nature?

Nope, last I read was that it was “controlling behaviour”.

Who would have thought a boss is controlling? Haha

 

[Jatz]

Nope, last I read was that it was “controlling behaviour”.

Who would have a boss is controlling? Haha

I would've thought that was actually in his job description haha

 

[royboy2]

 

[Jatz]

The green will be controversial but I like it. It's striking and it stands out compared to every other team.

 

[gaskin]

Looks glow in the dark.