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Apparently the team will still be run by Andretti Global, but GM will be more involved and Michael Andretti basically won't be a part of it. Aim is that by 2028 it is a full factory team running their own engine
I mean that was an extreme of the norm but yeah it happened.
It was 86 where a bloke hit the bridge at the end of conrod, hence they put the chase in and arguably made it a better racetrack.
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Looking forward to 4 extra cars on the grid.
24 cars/drivers always felt like the best number for F1.
Hopefully it'll make qualifying a bit more interesting. The added risk of congestion on track will force many to just stop playing games and get a time on the board.
24 cars/drivers always felt like the best number for F1.
Hopefully it'll make qualifying a bit more interesting. The added risk of congestion on track will force many to just stop playing games and get a time on the board.
4 extra cars?
GM/Cadillac will bring the F1 grid up to 11 teams & 22 cars. Where is the other team & 2 extra cars coming from?
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oh yeah, brain fart on my part thinking Audi when they're just taking over Sauber
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I'd love 4 extra cars but can't see them extending again.
There's scope for another team under the terms of the Concorde Agreement, and they had 3 applications when they called for nominations 1-2 years ago. However, the other 2 bids weren't even close to being up to scratch. Only the Andretti bid, which has now morphed to GM/Cadillac was good enough to proceed.
Liberty Media have completely turned around the finances of F1, with all teams now being worth $1B+ rather than the money drains that they used to be.
I wouldn't be surprised to see other manufacturers looking to join, but they'd want to be well organised if they have any hope of succeeding.
Just putting this out there... maybe a Chinese manufacturer backed team (e.g. Geely) might be a future option, maybe in a few years time.
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Weren't Porche sniffing around not long ago?
The window for manufacturers joining coincides with the introduction of new technical regulations, which resets the development curve for everyone, minimising the technological "catch-up" required by the newcomers.
The new technical regulations are due to take effect in 2026. It's no coincidence that this is when Audi's takeover of Sauber will be completed and GM/Cadillac will join F1. There obviously won't be any other new teams joining in 2026.
The big question is what happens when the next set of technical regulations are introduced, after 2026? We're probably talking around 2030/31. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a new manufacturer/team join at that time - but will it be another European manufacturer? American? Japanese? Chinese? My guess would be Chinese, but that's just a guess based on Chinese cars seemingly taking over the world with the other nations seemingly being years behind their EV manufacturing technology.
The new technical regulations are due to take effect in 2026. It's no coincidence that this is when Audi's takeover of Sauber will be completed and GM/Cadillac will join F1. There obviously won't be any other new teams joining in 2026.
The big question is what happens when the next set of technical regulations are introduced, after 2026? We're probably talking around 2030/31. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a new manufacturer/team join at that time - but will it be another European manufacturer? American? Japanese? Chinese? My guess would be Chinese, but that's just a guess based on Chinese cars seemingly taking over the world with the other nations seemingly being years behind their EV manufacturing technology.
They will probably buy an existing license, similar to Audi. Alpine or (less likely) Haas would be my guess. Unlikely to bring a completely new team to the grid.
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Only worth extending if they are going to be competitive.
I don't exactly see what benefit Manor/Marussia/Caterham/Virgin/HRT provided to F1 in the previous era, apart from extra seats on the grid for pay drivers like Rio Haryanto.
I don't exactly see what benefit Manor/Marussia/Caterham/Virgin/HRT provided to F1 in the previous era, apart from extra seats on the grid for pay drivers like Rio Haryanto.
Counter to my previous statement, I don't think that's going to happen. Both Audi & Porsche are owned by the Volkswagen Group. I suspect the Porsche interest was superseded by the decision to back Audi's takeover of Sauber.
I can't see Volkswagen supporting 2 F1 teams. Red Bull do it - but I can't see Volkswagen having that level of obsession with F1.
** Every time you see someone driving a Porsche, just remind yourself they're driving a glorified Beetle.
The other teams which applied to join F1 in 2026 were Hitech, Rodin Carlin, LKY SUNZ, and Formula Equal.
Hitech and Rodin Carlin were looking to step up from F2, F3 & F4. Interestingly, Rodin Carlin were looking to manufacture their cars in NZ, and employing a female driver (Jamie Chadwick).
The bids by LKY SUNZ and Formula Equal pretty much collapsed before they even got to the start line.
Source: https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/...e-bidding-to-join-f1-from-andretti-to-hitech/
Hitech and Rodin Carlin were looking to step up from F2, F3 & F4. Interestingly, Rodin Carlin were looking to manufacture their cars in NZ, and employing a female driver (Jamie Chadwick).
The bids by LKY SUNZ and Formula Equal pretty much collapsed before they even got to the start line.
Source: https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/...e-bidding-to-join-f1-from-andretti-to-hitech/
Hitech, thats the one.
I think Hyundai would be an interesting one to watch, haven't ventured in to this arena just yet
Theyre looking to get into WEC with their Genesis brand.
Hyundai have been heavily involved in WRC for many years now. Last weekend they won the World Drivers Championship (Thierry Neuville), but lost the Constructors Championship to Toyota when Ott Tanak slid off the road in Japan.
However, their participation in WRC beyond 2026 (when new technical regulations kick in) is currently being reviewed, as Hyundai switch their focus to the World Endurance Championship (WEC).
Source: https://au.motorsport.com/wrc/news/hyundai-yet-to-make-a-decision-on-wrc-long-time-future/10652033/
There don't seem to be any plans for them joining F1. They seem content playing in formulas closer to their showroom products.
I'd love to see the return of "privateer" teams back in F1. Even just a 1 car "customer" of the primary teams.
Factory Teams: Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull, Alpine/Audi?
Team Chassis with Customer Engines: McLaren, Haas, VCARB, Aston Martn, Williams, Alpine/Audi?
Customer Teams - Customer Chassis and Engine: Prema, Rodin, HiTech, Trident, ART, Invicta, etc
The top teams (Mercedes) develop a 'base' car for the season, which (along with spares as required) is entered and run under the relevant F2 team (eg Prema). Prema's top employees get exposure to F1, the best drivers outside f1 get more opportunity to show their potential, etc.
No "reserve" drivers for the top teams need to sit around not racing all year - Jack Doohan could be driving for Invicta in a rebadged Alpine, Mick Schumacher in the Prema-Mercedes, etc.
Factory Teams: Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull, Alpine/Audi?
Team Chassis with Customer Engines: McLaren, Haas, VCARB, Aston Martn, Williams, Alpine/Audi?
Customer Teams - Customer Chassis and Engine: Prema, Rodin, HiTech, Trident, ART, Invicta, etc
The top teams (Mercedes) develop a 'base' car for the season, which (along with spares as required) is entered and run under the relevant F2 team (eg Prema). Prema's top employees get exposure to F1, the best drivers outside f1 get more opportunity to show their potential, etc.
No "reserve" drivers for the top teams need to sit around not racing all year - Jack Doohan could be driving for Invicta in a rebadged Alpine, Mick Schumacher in the Prema-Mercedes, etc.
I don't think teams are allowed to have Customer Chassis. That's the whole point of being a manufacturer.
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Correct.
Haas/Ferrari are the absolute limit of what another manufacturer can supply, and even then Dallara produce the chassis.
Nah, over the years I've thought F1 would be at its best if it were a blend of what F1 "is" and what Indycars were in the 90s.
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Wanted to buy redbull. Horner and marko talked the owners out of it
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