Coach Fages and the coaching group

[martinson]

Looking at last years Grand Final team, Darcy Gardiner, Keidean Coleman and Linc McCarthy will not be there for a possible 2024 Grand Final(fingers crossed we make it), other 2023 GF players Dev Robertson, Jarryd Lyons and possibly Conor McKenna will need a big turnaround in form and/or some injuries to get in a GF side.

Are we a stronger side with the above players out and the likes of Kai Lohmann, Will Ashcroft, Jack Payne/Darragh Joyce, Bruce Reville, Shadeau Brain, Logan Morris in.

You have to add in natural improvement re individual players and the overall team system to this as well of course.

Well the very big factor to note is that the 2023 version looks slower, at least on paper.

 

[Squizz89]

Let’s see what they come up with missing arguably our most important player this weekend. It’s intriguing anyway.

 

[martinson]

wonder if daly takes the west coast job whether dew would be interested in being our footy gm?

I wonder if they'd throw the kitchen sink at him.

Of all the untried entities he's the most likely to build the right culture imo.

 

[martinson]

Looking at last years Grand Final team, Darcy Gardiner, Keidean Coleman and Linc McCarthy will not be there for a possible 2024 Grand Final(fingers crossed we make it), other 2023 GF players Dev Robertson, Jarryd Lyons and possibly Conor McKenna will need a big turnaround in form and/or some injuries to get in a GF side.

Are we a stronger side with the above players out and the likes of Kai Lohmann, Will Ashcroft, Jack Payne/Darragh Joyce, Bruce Reville, Shadeau Brain, Logan Morris in.

You have to add in natural improvement re individual players and the overall team system to this as well of course.

I'm not giving up on McKenna . All depends on whether whatever he has wrong with him can be rectified.

 

[KissKiss]

I'm not giving up on McKenna . All depends on whether whatever he has wrong with him can be rectified.

I dont think he was that far off. Was still pulling off some good disposals mixed in with the bad. Just an example of it being late in the year a rest and twos game might freshen him up

 

[martinson]

I've actually been watching Rayner quite a bit these last few weeks since I was a critic of his in respect to aspects of his game, particularly last year.

Just my observation that Cam and Joe have significant similarities in temperament and attitude. To get the best out of them find a role that they're comfortable with and let them play on instinct. Don't take way the exceptional things they can do for the sake of conformity.

Sure you have to wear the stuff ups but over time it wins you games.

 

[Gadzorks]

Naturally the teams current success is only delaying the conversation over what comes next. But it is a conversation that will be had regardless.

Deep thinking happening here now - you're right there is always something next. Until there isn't of course. The choices - have the conversation now about later, or later about now.

Or, just cause this is a footy forum, we can all just talk rubbish constantly, deny any previous comments we made that no longer fit the narrative, make sweeping future predictions that mean absolutely nothing unless they were right then we will claim superior knowledge and thinking ability and just have fun.

 

[irish]

Revenge time Mr Dew

 

[SpecialBruce]

Interestingly my recollection is that a large part of the begone Fagan rhetoric was centred around his reluctance to make changes to the team or its tactics

When we got ACL'd and had to make changes to the playing group there was improvement and the differing elements allowed for increased flexibility in tactics...

Would there have been those changes anyway ... hard to say

Would the bringing in of extra voices in Cochin and Dew have made the same changes ...we will never know.

What we do know is that where we were was unacceptable without knowing precisely why we were there (was definitely a multivariate equation not a simple single variable).

What we do know is that we had a good group ready to step up and that takes someone in the whole squad and organisation to support.

What we also know is that while we started slow we are finishing strongly and isn't that the ideal way to play out the season?

Fagan copped it because things were bad and the buck stops with him ... how much tolerance people were prepared to give him certainly varied but at least we were all united in wanting our Lions to roar all through to September ... even briztoon

This

The problem is he wasn't playing the youth as he didn't trust them to do the job. Alas, he finally played them and look what happens.

 

[Dalions]

This

The problem is he wasn't playing the youth as he didn't trust them to do the job. Alas, he finally played them and look what happens.

I am not sure it was that he didn’t trust them to come in and do the job but that he trusted the ones already playing to come good.
I don’t think we were far away from trying another option than Gardiner forward and with other injuring in the backline he more than likely ended up back there if he didn’t do the ACL.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

Well the very big factor to note is that the 2023 version looks slower, at least on paper.

Collingwood beat us with spread to the ouitside which in turn opened the coridor for them, or at least thats how I remember it on game day. And when we tried to do that we muffed it.
Not convinced we are better in this area.
We are too inconsistant to get a good read.
maybe at our best which had Sharp in the team , in my opinion made a big contribution in these areas.
To me this year is similar to last , but just started slow , by being ratshite at kicking goals.
it does feel with Loman playing our defensive side is stronger.
Also Bez in the center has made an impact in some games

I will say it's hard to be critical of Fages right now ,even though some of us still have differing opinions on I would say adjustments to our playing side or tactics.
nothing wrong with that .

 

[Johnny Bananas]

anyone else think the smith over Morris was a very lucky call?

Morris would have made the most of the wind today like he did yesterday and if he needed a rest why play him at all instead of a full rest?

full credit for the Brain over McKenna call

I wouldn't have chosen a game against the ladder leader to debut Smith. He would have been better against West Coast or even this week against Gold Coast. Morris needed to rediscover form, now he's done that, I have no issues with the coaching panel's decision there.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Only fifteen pages back in this thread and The Fagan must go mob were active.
Oh how the wheels have turned.

Remember this: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/te...s/news-story/083d28e2fe2cd970c0e47e5426f3a67a

You'll find that many of those who were bringing up those names didn't want Fagan axed this year, they just wanted a succession plan for the end of his contract.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

You'll find that many of those who were bringing up those names didn't want Fagan axed this year, they just wanted a succession plan for the end of his contract.

I'm extremely appreciative of what Fages and co have done for our footy club since he came to the club since 2016 as it has been one of the greatest rebuilds on/off-field of any club in recent memory and he 100% deserves to have the opportunity to retire on his own terms or move on, when the time does unfortunately come.

At 2-5 this year, I did start to question if he still had the players and if that external pressure from other issues started to wear him down. But to Fages credit as always, he and the players have stood up to the pressure and amazingly in 3rd with 5 rounds to go, which shows how amazing the culture is ATM but also what can happen if you bring in young blood in the side.

As mentioned by JB above, though, we need to have a Plan B in place when the time does come for a new head coach, which has been said for the past couple of years. Looking at our internal panel exclusively, would Cameron Bruce or Dale Morris have what it takes to become a head coach straight away or would be go more experienced but internally still in Stewie Dew now or even Danny Daly.

Then you have the external names out there that we should be trying hard to get as senior assistant coach / future head coach and possibly still be given we tried to grasp Scott Selwood from Collingwood last-preseason

It does paint an interesting set-up with what happens when the time comes though, but Fages IMO can have as long as he wants if the club continues playing to the way they are.

 

[Elixuh]

I'm extremely appreciative of what Fages and co have done for our footy club since he came to the club since 2016 as it has been one of the greatest rebuilds on/off-field of any club in recent memory and he 100% deserves to have the opportunity to retire on his own terms or move on, when the time does unfortunately come.

At 2-5 this year, I did start to question if he still had the players and if that external pressure from other issues started to wear him down. But to Fages credit as always, he and the players have stood up to the pressure and amazingly in 3rd with 5 rounds to go, which shows how amazing the culture is ATM but also what can happen if you bring in young blood in the side.

As mentioned by JB above, though, we need to have a Plan B in place when the time does come for a new head coach, which has been said for the past couple of years. Looking at our internal panel exclusively, would Cameron Bruce or Dale Morris have what it takes to become a head coach straight away or would be go more experienced but internally still in Stewie Dew now or even Danny Daly.

Then you have the external names out there that we should be trying hard to get as senior assistant coach / future head coach and possibly still be given we tried to grasp Scott Selwood from Collingwood last-preseason

It does paint an interesting set-up with what happens when the time comes though, but Fages IMO can have as long as he wants if the club continues playing to the way they are.

It is almost a given imo that we have some sort of plan in place at a Board level re the bold. I'm not a fan of having a formal succession plan in place. Informally, I'm sure it is one option considered, especially if Dew comes on as a fulltime assistance next year.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I'm extremely appreciative of what Fages and co have done for our footy club since he came to the club since 2016 as it has been one of the greatest rebuilds on/off-field of any club in recent memory and he 100% deserves to have the opportunity to retire on his own terms or move on, when the time does unfortunately come.

At 2-5 this year, I did start to question if he still had the players and if that external pressure from other issues started to wear him down. But to Fages credit as always, he and the players have stood up to the pressure and amazingly in 3rd with 5 rounds to go, which shows how amazing the culture is ATM but also what can happen if you bring in young blood in the side.

As mentioned by JB above, though, we need to have a Plan B in place when the time does come for a new head coach, which has been said for the past couple of years. Looking at our internal panel exclusively, would Cameron Bruce or Dale Morris have what it takes to become a head coach straight away or would be go more experienced but internally still in Stewie Dew now or even Danny Daly.

Then you have the external names out there that we should be trying hard to get as senior assistant coach / future head coach and possibly still be given we tried to grasp Scott Selwood from Collingwood last-preseason

It does paint an interesting set-up with what happens when the time comes though, but Fages IMO can have as long as he wants if the club continues playing to the way they are.

Do we though? Collingwood just poached McRae, Geelong poached Scott, Goodwin was a succession plan, pretty sure Hardwick and Simpson were poached from other clubs

 

[irel]

I do not subscribe to a succession plan. In my view it limits options and opportunities that may lay elsewhere. When the time comes in ten years time for Fages to walk away, on his terms then candidates will emerge. Thanks, in no small measure to Chris Fagan, among others, we are no longer a basket case. We are an attractive proposition for any gun aspiring or existing coach to come to us.

Rather than wasting time with succession plans and succession coaches we should be locking Fagan now with a McCluggage type contract.

 

[Jim Stynes11]

I do not subscribe to a succession plan. In my view it limits options and opportunities that may lay elsewhere. When the time comes in ten years time for Fages to walk away, on his terms then candidates will emerge. Thanks, in no small measure to Chris Fagan, among others, we are no longer a basket case. We are an attractive proposition for any gun aspiring or existing coach to come to us.

Rather than wasting time with succession plans and succession coaches we should be locking Fagan now with a McCluggage type contract.

depends what he wants, I guess. He's already 7 years older than Leigh Matthews was when he retired (and he's older than the current age of each of the head coaches since Matthews)

 

[T Rick]

Have been a bit curious about Dew doing some work with us and his relationship with Callum Ah Chee

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and Jaryd Lyons - I assume there may have been some awkwardness, particularly with Jaryd.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Have been a bit curious about Dew doing some work with us and his relationship with Callum Ah Chee and Jaryd Lyons - I assume there may have been some awkwardness, particularly with Jaryd.

Might be awkward but you'd think JL would be grateful they allowed him to move on

 

[Sproj]

I wonder if Fagan might stay as long as Cluggs is here and I say that because basically that will be the retirement class of the start of his tenure here. Would be special to coach a group of draftees from start to finish and hopefully get a premiership or three along the way.

 

[Elixuh]

I wonder if Fagan might stay as long as Cluggs is here and I say that because basically that will be the retirement class of the start of his tenure here. Would be special to coach a group of draftees from start to finish and hopefully get a premiership or three along the way.

I think he will be 70 in the last year of Hugh’s deal. He would also have been our coach for 15 years at that stage.

Not impossible but would be a fair effort.

 

[mpal6]

I wonder if Fagan might stay as long as Cluggs is here and I say that because basically that will be the retirement class of the start of his tenure here. Would be special to coach a group of draftees from start to finish and hopefully get a premiership or three along the way.

Considering what Fagan did with us when he started, AFL must seriously consider smash/grabbing him from us for Tassie.

Fagan will be perfect for moulding a new club with all the draftees. He has that Tassie roots/connection which will be a great story. He'll also be able to drag some of the senior Brisbane players over to Tassie to give the senior cover in the first few years. Exactly like what he did with us by bringing players from Hawks.

Buckley as the first coach of Tassie sounds interesting but with Fagan, AFL knows he's done it before and has the template for how to be successful. It'll be mad for them not to consider pitching it to Fages.

 

[Dalions]

Considering what Fagan did with us when he started, AFL must seriously consider smash/grabbing him from us for Tassie.

Fagan will be perfect for moulding a new club with all the draftees. He has that Tassie roots/connection which will be a great story. He'll also be able to drag some of the senior Brisbane players over to Tassie to give the senior cover in the first few years. Exactly like what he did with us by bringing players from Hawks.

Buckley as the first coach of Tassie sounds interesting but with Fagan, AFL knows he's done it before and has the template for how to be successful. It'll be mad for them not to consider pitching it to Fages.

Have heard Fages say before that this will be his one and only Senior Coaching gig.
If he was to be poached for Tassie it would be as the Footy Manager or something other than the Coaching imo.

 

[M Malice]

I wonder if Fagan might stay as long as Cluggs is here and I say that because basically that will be the retirement class of the start of his tenure here. Would be special to coach a group of draftees from start to finish and hopefully get a premiership or three along the way.

I can only see that happening if we win a Premiership this year or in 2025, which would give him an extension (if he wanted it) from there he would have to win another couple in the ensuing 4-5 years(2026-30) to get to the end of McCluggage's contract IMO.

FWIW I think Fages will leave and be involved in the Tassie Devils inclusion in 2028, leave end of 2026 season to help in the last stages of the set up, not as head coach though.... he is Taswegian Royalty.