Oppo Camp Finals - The Other Ones

[sr36]

I was watching the presser Dimma did where Tom Browne said his "sources" told him that the ARC does look at player reactions as evidence.

Surely that is not true

I doubt it's in writing, but I also doubt the umpire's call on that one would have been overruled just on the images of the ball.

At the end of the day, it looked like the right decision.

 

[MyManLynch]

We could have used an ARC that day!

We had to rely on FARC instead.

 

[Horaceg]

We could have used an ARC that day!

Wayne Harmes got away with one once

 

[Pie eyed]

Yes, I've said do for months yet many still don't want him. There are some truly blind footy fans.

I have to admit McStay had a very good game.
Second best on ground behind Neale.
that said that's first time I have seen him play that well.
May be a finals specialist.

 

[Pie eyed]

We could have used an ARC that day!

Thought exactly the same last night.

 

[Soups]

When Mum doesn’t make garlic bread with the spaghetti.

 

[gerryg400]

Those 3 angles are too similar. Depth is still an issue.
Require complete different angles to be definitive.
Behind the goals & direct in line with Lynch, ball trajectory & post.
I still think it’s a point…but can’t prove it with all photos released so far.

2 cameras in a plane perpendicular to the vertical axis of the post are sufficient to decide whether the ball travelled over the post. Ideally the cameras would be 90 degrees apart. It doesn’t matter where they are as long as they are not too high or too low. To me those front on views seem about 60 degrees apart and I would judge that just sufficient.

Richmond are out and I couldn’t be happier.

 

[slugger01]

While the technology is no doubt an issue with ARC and always has been since the investment in proper cameras has never been made, the core issue in this particular instance is the bad call the goal umpire made saying "I think it's a goal" because even the view we had as viewers it didn't look like a goal.

Throw in the fact that Lynch and none of the other Richmond players were celebrating and it's pretty obvious the goal umpire made the wrong call which has ultimately caused this situation.

He didn’t make the wrong call as far as he was concerned…




He is a Tiger supporter

 

[Chrispiesssss]

 

[jmac70]

Essendon, Carlton and Richmond all ending the season with a shit sandwich.

It’s good for footy.

 

[jimmy35]

Missed it somehow but does anyone know when Carlton play their game.








Bwahahahahahahahaha.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Basic Trig uses factual figures not approximate eye site. There is no possible way that can be called anything more than probable certainly not definitive. Conclusive evidence is required in this situation. The only evidence that was Conclusive was Lynch's face. It was the wrong call despite getting the right decision

Grab a tape measure and a kitchen sink let’s do basic trig …

You run your tape measure along one side of the kitchen sink, and you observe that the length is 1254mm or 1255mm - hard to see which it is with your eye, but let’s call it 1255mm. Take another measurement and use the numbers to do your favourite trig.

Every measured thing in the physical world has a measurement tolerance - doesn’t matter if you’re measuring a kitchen sink with a tape measure or dealing with some bloke sitting in front of a massive 4K TV screen in the ARC.

A difference is that the tolerance of the tape measure will be relatively straight forward to calculate (let’s keep things simple and say around +/- 1mm)

By contrast, the tolerance of the ARC will be a little more complex to calculate - it will involve determining the synchronisation errors between the cameras, the camera frame rate, the camera frame type, the angles between the cameras, maybe even effects of the camera lenses, etc, etc. The ARC is sponsored by RMIT so would presume they would have plenty of postgrad engineering students sitting around twiddling their thumbs and ready to calculate it out. As you rightly point out there is a subjective element to it too (just as there is looking at a tape measure, or dealing with the parallax error of a plastic ruler) but there are scientific methods to figure out that aspect as well.

Without doing the maths, but just eyeballing the data, I would be surprised if the tolerance would be much greater than the post padding at the base.

 

[gerryg400]

Grab a tape measure and a kitchen sink let’s do basic trig …

You run your tape measure along one side of the kitchen sink, and you observe that the length is 1254mm or 1255mm - hard to see which it is with your eye, but let’s call it 1255mm. Take another measurement and use the numbers to do your favourite trig.

Every measured thing in the physical world has a measurement tolerance - doesn’t matter if you’re measuring a kitchen sink with a tape measure or dealing with some bloke sitting in front of a massive 4K TV screen in the ARC.

A difference is that the tolerance of the tape measure will be relatively straight forward to calculate (let’s keep things simple and say around +/- 1mm)

By contrast, the tolerance of the ARC will be a little more complex to calculate - it will involve determining the synchronisation errors between the cameras, the camera frame rate, the camera frame type, the angles between the cameras, maybe even effects of the camera lenses, etc, etc. The ARC is sponsored by RMIT so would presume they would have plenty of postgrad engineering students sitting around twiddling their thumbs and ready to calculate it out. As you rightly point out there is a subjective element to it too (just as there is looking at a tape measure, or dealing with the parallax error of a plastic ruler) but there are scientific methods to figure out that aspect as well.

Without doing the maths, but just eyeballing the data, I would be surprised if the tolerance would be much greater than the post padding at the base.

Good take. It’s also reasonable to assume that the ARC setup comes with a manual. There would be standard scenarios with procedures to go with them. There was nothing unusual about what happened with the kick and the operator would know exactly what to do. Freeze this camera. Check something on some other camera. All this done with a supervisor looking over his shoulder. There’s just no reason to think it was wrong.

 

[davywap]

 

[legendstatus]

Missed it somehow but does anyone know when Carlton play their game.








Bwahahahahahahahaha.

Yep March 2023


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[Pie eyed]

Grab a tape measure and a kitchen sink let’s do basic trig …

You run your tape measure along one side of the kitchen sink, and you observe that the length is 1254mm or 1255mm - hard to see which it is with your eye, but let’s call it 1255mm. Take another measurement and use the numbers to do your favourite trig.

Every measured thing in the physical world has a measurement tolerance - doesn’t matter if you’re measuring a kitchen sink with a tape measure or dealing with some bloke sitting in front of a massive 4K TV screen in the ARC.

A difference is that the tolerance of the tape measure will be relatively straight forward to calculate (let’s keep things simple and say around +/- 1mm)

By contrast, the tolerance of the ARC will be a little more complex to calculate - it will involve determining the synchronisation errors between the cameras, the camera frame rate, the camera frame type, the angles between the cameras, maybe even effects of the camera lenses, etc, etc. The ARC is sponsored by RMIT so would presume they would have plenty of postgrad engineering students sitting around twiddling their thumbs and ready to calculate it out. As you rightly point out there is a subjective element to it too (just as there is looking at a tape measure, or dealing with the parallax error of a plastic ruler) but there are scientific methods to figure out that aspect as well.

Without doing the maths, but just eyeballing the data, I would be surprised if the tolerance would be much greater than the post padding at the base.

All of which is irrelevant if the guy who kicked the ball knows he missed.
I watched it live and was shocked the Goal umpire called it a goal.
Shocked, not bemused.
It was that obvious from the Richmond players reactions that it missed.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Stats flattered him, but he was very serviceable in a makeshift role he was thrown into out of necessity.

He is an excellent kick. Decision making, intensity… not so sure.

Thought he was good around the ground first half but then Nankervis started to monster him second half both in the ruck and around the ground.
Probably the best game I've seen him play though. Stood up.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Melbourne winning is good if we win tomorrow.

Sydney winning is good if we lose tomorrow.

Don’t want to play Swans at the SCG.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

What do the Blues, Bombers, Richmond & Winter have in common?

They won’t be participating in September.

 

[JoinDate]

**** I hate Fritch's shit hair.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

* I hate Fritch's s**t hair.

Yeah it's Cotchin level annoying

 

[JoinDate]

Yeah it's Cotchin level annoying

Or Oliver's head, or Spargo.

 

[jmac70]

All of which is irrelevant if the guy who kicked the ball knows he missed.
I watched it live and was shocked the Goal umpire called it a goal.
Shocked, not bemused.
It was that obvious from the Richmond players reactions that it missed.

Clearly a point.
Dimma’s protests highlight why Richmond are on the way down. Even as a point they were still ahead and should have won the game.

Full Richmond implosion is on the way.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Clearly a point.
Dimma’s protests highlight why Richmond are on the way down. Even as a point they were still ahead and should have won the game.

Full Richmond implosion is on the way.

'clearly' is probably not the right terminology for that point.

 

[JoinDate]

Uhm, so Trac was out of the play then magically in the play and allowed to tackle when Buddy played on?

Very different from other instances we see where the player is already in the protected zone, Trac ran into it... that's a 50 for mine.