Official Club Stuff Football Department Review and Board update

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Part of the changes to the Club constitution proposed is changing the threshold from 100 members to 5% (~4000 members) which got Vince's knickers in a twist earlier this year and started his entire campaigner campaign.

I feel like he was already looking to do this and the change was going to force them to work harder.

I wasn't sure about the change in threshold before because I hadn't seen such a woeful disorganised challenge before. I've now changed my mind.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Seems to have the support of the Jumper Punch boys. Not sure if that applies to the whole Blue Abroad network or not because I haven't watched the last week.

I have doubts Terry is on the same page. He was actually supposed to do a show with Vince to discuss the constitution changes. That show got cancelled without any word as to why...

My hunch is that was because Vince was a guest on the jumper punch the night before and referred to our club becoming like the ccp.

I think that didn't sit well with Terry at all. Since that guest appearance by Vince, he hasn't been in any Blue Abroad shows, fan cams, Saturday morning shows... nothing except for the jumper punch segment where Vince chats with Rocco but those talks are about 5 mins and totally unrelated.

Also Terry made a reference to the EGM after the Port loss saying they want to just spill the board with no plan...

Could be reading too much into it but that's my take.

 

[charred_fate]

Don’t get me wrong, I have no affiliation with the current potential board challenge.

I’m not proposing to run for the board or to tell anyone how the club should be run successfully. I’m not claiming to have those answers.

I think In our heart of hearts we can all see that the board has been doing a terrible job over a long period.

real change takes a lot longer with gradual flushing of boards. The continuity of some board members staying leaves a board with existing senior board members who invariable hold greater sway around the board table for some time.

I’m not suggesting that the keys to the club turned Over to a bunch of nufties, but if the princess hill primary p&f committee were put in charge it would leave it open for a legitimate ticket to challenge without the grubby politics that frankly dissuade excellent candidates from putting their hands up.

there is no need to get personal, if you are more qualified to cast an opinion on here than others, please attach your resume.

You have too much sense for this BF board.

I take comfort in knowing that the Carlton people in my life (and there are many) see things very differently to the vast majority here.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I have doubts Terry is on the same page. He was actually supposed to do a show with Vince to discuss the constitution changes. That show got cancelled without any word as to why...

My hunch is that was because Vince was a guest on the jumper punch the night before and referred to our club becoming like the ccp.

I think that didn't sit well with Terry at all. Since that guest appearance by Vince, he hasn't been in any Blue Abroad shows, fan cams, Saturday morning shows... nothing except for the jumper punch segment where Vince chats with Rocco but those talks are about 5 mins and totally unrelated.

Also Terry made a reference to the EGM after the Port loss saying they want to just spill the board with no plan...

Could be reading too much into it but that's my take.

Thanks for that. Terry seems more practical about things so I'm not surprised if he's not backing this.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

You have too much sense for this BF board.

I take comfort in knowing that the Carlton people in my life (and there are many) see things very differently to the vast majority here.

My god, you are such a downer. You've been here a month and do nothing but tear the place down, including this forum.

A wolf in sheep's clothing perhaps.

Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?

 

[charred_fate]

My god, you are such a downer. You've been here a month and do nothing but tear the place down, including this forum.

A wolf in sheep's clothing perhaps.

Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?

This place needs someone to provide a sense of reality, unless people would prefer to live in some kind of dreamland? Labelling me a downer only reenforces that belief.

The reality is that I don’t enjoy senseless, biased, irrational talk. If people would prefer to live in that space on this board, happy to leave it be.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

This place needs someone to provide a sense of reality, unless people would prefer to live in some kind of dreamland? Labelling me a downer only reenforces that belief.

The reality is that I don’t enjoy senseless, biased, irrational talk. If people would prefer to live in that space on this board, happy to leave it be.

Reality as you see it and it's not your role.

Feel free to take it to Facebook where you'll have a captive audience.

If you're throwing your lot in with this disaster of a challenge, that goes double.

 

[thebluelagoon]

Well, people have been tipped out.

You say we should vote for ANY change. That's not right. Educated change based on what people can bring to the club.

You say there are many Carlton supporters capable of running a club better. Can you name names, tell us their qualifications and abilities, give us a plan maybe?

There is a challenge group who so far are hopelessly out of their depth, who I wouldn't trust with out membership dollars, or to continue our revenue streams and sponsors. It takes more than simply wanting to win and passion to run a club.

If it comes down to the devil we know or a group of fans who reckon they could give it a bash, I'll stay with the devil.

Carlton has one of the biggest supporter bases in the country, there is an immense talent pool of highly skilled and passionate supports. I’m quite willing to say that I don’t know them all!

but I’m happy to start with a bloke who is more qualified to run a football club than anyone on the current board. He has club board experience, afl commission experience, business experience and a locker with his name on it… I have been criticized for suggesting a full board spill the basis that it wouldn’t work but this bloke started a 100 million dollar business from nothing! Ground up, no board, no team, no HQ. so I doubt he would have much trouble coping without a few witches and their wooden spoons…

mike Fitzpatrick

probably worth a try isn’t he?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Carlton has one of the biggest supporter bases in the country, there is an immense talent pool of highly skilled and passionate supports. I’m quite willing to say that I don’t know them all!

but I’m happy to start with a bloke who is more qualified to run a football club than anyone on the current board. He has club board experience, afl commission experience, business experience and a locker with his name on it… I have been criticized for suggesting a full board spill the basis that it wouldn’t work but this bloke started a 100 million dollar business from nothing! Ground up, no board, no team, no HQ. so I doubt he would have much trouble coping without a few witches and their wooden spoons…

mike Fitzpatrick

probably worth a try isn’t he?

You tell me. Is Fitzy on the ticket? The Carlton Now page doesn't answer questions.

 

[charred_fate]

Reality as you see it and it's not your role.

Feel free to take it to Facebook where you'll have a captive audience.

If you're throwing your lot in with this disaster of a challenge, that goes double.

If you sit idly by, allowing people to be convinced by their own bias, irrational thoughts and sense of victimisation....well, you end up with Trump as President.

It's strange how people on BF look down on FB - I have very little to do with anything Carlton on FB, but from the snippets I've seen, there isn't much difference between the two.

I've already said that I'm not supporting this challenge, but I'm not going to be so quick to dismiss potential challengers - I fully encourage it.

 

[Max Pepsi]

A huge portion of people who post in Carlton groups on FB can't even spell most players names & have practically no idea about the rules of the game or how it's played at any level, let alone how to run a club.

A wise man once told me that any donkey can kick down a barn but it takes a skilled craftsman to build it in the first place.

I am all for making things better but it has to be more detailed than - it's crap, loads of things should be better rabble rabble.

 

[katmanblue]

Carlton has one of the biggest supporter bases in the country, there is an immense talent pool of highly skilled and passionate supports. I’m quite willing to say that I don’t know them all!

but I’m happy to start with a bloke who is more qualified to run a football club than anyone on the current board. He has club board experience, afl commission experience, business experience and a locker with his name on it… I have been criticized for suggesting a full board spill the basis that it wouldn’t work but this bloke started a 100 million dollar business from nothing! Ground up, no board, no team, no HQ. so I doubt he would have much trouble coping without a few witches and their wooden spoons…

mike Fitzpatrick

probably worth a try isn’t he?

He's 800 years old though.

 

[CJMB]

Seems to have the support of the Jumper Punch boys. Not sure if that applies to the whole Blue Abroad network or not because I haven't watched the last week.

well I’m definitely putting them in the ‘do not listen/watch/give time to’ basket alongside Vince’s stupid f******* campaign

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

If you sit idly by, allowing people to be convinced by their own bias, irrational thoughts and sense of victimisation....well, you end up with Trump as President.

It's strange how people on BF look down on FB - I have very little to do with anything Carlton on FB, but from the snippets I've seen, there isn't much difference between the two.

I've already said that I'm not supporting this challenge, but I'm not going to be so quick to dismiss potential challengers - I fully encourage it.

This is funny because I'm on record as saying the challenge is Trumpian. Just capitalised on anger with false promises.

What is your angle for continuing to shred the club after the fact? What is going to make you happy? Sack everyone? There has to be some continuity.

You won't get Teague back by crapping on the club.

 

[CJMB]

This is funny because I'm on record as saying the challenge is Trumpian. Just capitalised on anger with false promises.

What is your angle for continuing to shred the club after the fact? What is going to make you happy? Sack everyone? There has to be some continuity.

You won't get Teague back by crapping on the club.

I’m not sure there’s anything positive that can come out of the EGM.

At best it’s a waster of club time, resources and money.

At worst, unlikely as it me be that they win the vote, it completely f***s the club. Like, proper f***ed.

 

[charred_fate]

This is funny because I'm on record as saying the challenge is Trumpian. Just capitalised on anger with false promises.

What is your angle for continuing to shred the club after the fact? What is going to make you happy? Sack everyone? There has to be some continuity.

You won't get Teague back by crapping on the club.

From what I can tell, we've been surviving on false promises for 20 years, so not sure of the relevance or difference, to be honest.

For a start, I want the board to acknowledge that despite all their decisions, they have so far gotten us nowhere on-field. The silence is deafening and, dare I say it, very similar to the behaviours of conservative political parties - that's not really a surprise though.

Secondly, I want the Mathieson name to follow the Pratt name out the door and for the Club to ditch the pokies as a revenue stream.

Third, I want representation from a cross-section of society on the board - not only corporates.

I know that the Club is receiving a lot of really negative feedback from the supporter base at the moment - that information comes from the Club.

I'm am not angling to get Teague back, but I do think it could have been handled a lot better. I think it could end up biting us in the arse if we don't get Clarkson and my feeling is that all our eggs were in that basket, with an expectation that he'd say yes. I've been pro-Clarkson for a while, but in hindsight, I'd have been just as happy to keep Teague and create a better unit.

My judgement isn't clouded by corporate speak. Where many on here love that Sayers spoke about finals next year, the more obvious and sensible conclusion is that it's great to have that goal, but keep it indoors. All that announcing it publicly achieves (aside from scoring some brownie points from desperate fans) is to place pressure on the team/coach unnecessarily bc the media will be all over it.

 

[BigBreakfast]

From what I can tell, we've been surviving on false promises for 20 years, so not sure of the relevance or difference, to be honest.

For a start, I want the board to acknowledge that despite all their decisions, they have so far gotten us nowhere. The silence is deafening and, dare I say it, very similar to the behaviours of conservative political parties - that's not really a surprise though.

Secondly, I want the Mathieson name to follow the Pratt name out the door and for the Club to ditch the pokies as a revenue stream.

Third, I want representation from a cross-section of society on the board - not only corporates.

I know that the Club is receiving a lot of really negative feedback from the supporter base at the moment - that comes from the Club.

I'm am not angling to get Teague back, but I do think it could have been handled a lot better. I think it could end up biting us in the arse if we don't get Clarkson and my feeling is that all our eggs were in that basket, with an expectation that he'd say yet. I've been pro-Clarkson for a while, but in hindsight, I'd have been just as happy to keep Teague and create a better unit.

My judgement isn't clouded by corporate speak. Where many on here love that Sayers spoke about finals next year, the more obvious and sensible conclusion is that it's great to have that goal, but keep it indoors. All that announcing it publicly achieves (aside from scoring some brownie points from desperate fans) is to place pressure on the team/coach unnecessarily bc the media will be all over it.

Gotten us nowhere. We are debt free and in a better financial, off field position than we have been in 20 years with a firm foothold in AFLW. How is that “gotten us nowhere”?

Our on field position leaves a lot to be desired by our growth potential is clear, requiring improved leadership as directed by the External Review. This Board have only just assumed responsibility of the club and are moving in a positive direction via engagement with the likes of Greg Williams. It’s fine to run a diversity ticket, as long as those potential candidates have the requisite skills to perform their role. That’s how life works, not ‘I’m unhappy so throw them all out and start again.’ That just fuels further instability.

No spill please, it makes us look unprofessional bordering on rag tag.

 

[charred_fate]

Gotten us nowhere. We are debt free and in a better financial, off field position than we have been in 20 years with a firm foothold in AFLW. How is that “gotten us nowhere”?

Our on field position leaves a lot to be desired by our growth potential is clear, requiring improved leadership as directed by the External Review. This Board have only just assumed responsibility of the club and are moving in a positive direction via engagement with the likes of Greg Williams. It’s fine to run a diversity ticket, as long as those potential candidates have the requisite skills to perform their role. That’s how life works, not ‘I’m unhappy so throw them all out and start again.’ That just fuels further instability.

No spill please, it makes us look unprofessional bordering on rag tag.

I thought it was clear that I was referring to on-field performance. My mistake.

I would like the board to announce such a policy and encourage candidates to apply, once the dust settles.

 

[BigBreakfast]

I thought it was clear that I was referring to on-field performance. My mistake.

I would like the board to encourage candidates to apply, once the dust settles.

Fair enough. It wasn’t clear but, no issue. Any candidate who is capable of positive contributions. Judd couldn’t and he got off. No favourites, just forward momentum of gagf.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

From what I can tell, we've been surviving on false promises for 20 years, so not sure of the relevance or difference, to be honest.

For a start, I want the board to acknowledge that despite all their decisions, they have so far gotten us nowhere on-field. The silence is deafening and, dare I say it, very similar to the behaviours of conservative political parties - that's not really a surprise though.

Secondly, I want the Mathieson name to follow the Pratt name out the door and for the Club to ditch the pokies as a revenue stream.

Third, I want representation from a cross-section of society on the board - not only corporates.

I know that the Club is receiving a lot of really negative feedback from the supporter base at the moment - that information comes from the Club.

I'm am not angling to get Teague back, but I do think it could have been handled a lot better. I think it could end up biting us in the arse if we don't get Clarkson and my feeling is that all our eggs were in that basket, with an expectation that he'd say yes. I've been pro-Clarkson for a while, but in hindsight, I'd have been just as happy to keep Teague and create a better unit.

My judgement isn't clouded by corporate speak. Where many on here love that Sayers spoke about finals next year, the more obvious and sensible conclusion is that it's great to have that goal, but keep it indoors. All that announcing it publicly achieves (aside from scoring some brownie points from desperate fans) is to place pressure on the team/coach unnecessarily bc the media will be all over it.

I'm pretty sure Sayers is on record saying that they've made mistakes and I'm pretty sure that sacking coaches tells us that we are not where we want to be on field. I mean he actually says that. Teague couldn't get the best out of the players and he believes we have the team to play finals.

Your bizarre need to hear a mea culpa expressed in a certain way, a bended knee humbling to your great self doesn't make much sense to me. Common sense says the club know they've stuffed up and are trying to rectify.

The pokies will go in time. That has been stated at times. We don't want to be beholden to powerbrokers.

As for the conservative political party comment, the new ticket supporters are channeling Trump, bagging Biden in their comments and talking about doing away with woke agenda items the club participates in. As I said, things could be a lot worse than where we are. Let's not give air to a new group with ego driven 1980s mentalities.

 

[thebluelagoon]

You tell me. Is Fitzy on the ticket? The Carlton Now page doesn't answer questions.

how would i know if he's on the ticket... I very highly doubt it! When the club is attracting people of his calibre to contribute their time, you will know that Carlton has turned the corner.

ps It see i have to reiterate that i have no association with any board challenge and do not know personally anyone involved in the current unrest.

 

[charred_fate]

I'm pretty sure Sayers is on record saying that they've made mistakes and I'm pretty sure that sacking coaches tells us that we are not where we want to be on field. I mean he actually says that. Teague couldn't get the best out of the players and he believes we have the team to play finals.

Your bizarre need to hear a mea culpa expressed in a certain way, a bended knee humbling to your great self doesn't make much sense to me. Common sense says the club know they've stuffed up and are trying to rectify.

The pokies will go in time. That has been stated at times. We don't want to be beholden to powerbrokers.

As for the conservative political party comment, the new ticket supporters are channeling Trump, bagging Biden in their comments and talking about doing away with woke agenda items the club participates in. As I said, things could be a lot worse than where we are. Let's not give air to a new group with ego driven 1980s mentalities.

You use 'sacking coaches' as a defence of the board showing that they're not happy about where we are. To me, there is quite clearly enough evidence now to know that sacking coaches has not been the solution and, therefore, the wrong problem has been repeatedly identified - more than likely by powerbrokers and corporates who are incapable of seeing failure in themselves. This is backed up by comments that come of out PP, including the latest from MM. Many choose to disregard everything that MM says because it doesn't suit their agenda and it's easy to call him names to discredit him etc. I'm more open-minded than that - the reality is he has lived the experience.

In terms of your emotively-driven 'bended knee' comment - it's about accountability. It is not an uncommon thing for boards, offices, agencies to apologise on behalf of the position, to show accountability. If they don't acknowledge mistakes, how can we trust them to know what they're doing in the future?

The pokies will go in time, no doubt, but they should have gone yesterday. We don't want to be beholden to powerbrokers and yet we are.

Not sure why I'm being linked to the current challengers - they are irrelevant to me and judging by your comments, they sound like morons too.

 

[JustaBattler]

From what I can tell, we've been surviving on false promises for 20 years, so not sure of the relevance or difference, to be honest.

For a start, I want the board to acknowledge that despite all their decisions, they have so far gotten us nowhere on-field. The silence is deafening and, dare I say it, very similar to the behaviours of conservative political parties - that's not really a surprise though.

Secondly, I want the Mathieson name to follow the Pratt name out the door and for the Club to ditch the pokies as a revenue stream.

Third, I want representation from a cross-section of society on the board - not only corporates.

I know that the Club is receiving a lot of really negative feedback from the supporter base at the moment - that information comes from the Club.

I'm am not angling to get Teague back, but I do think it could have been handled a lot better. I think it could end up biting us in the arse if we don't get Clarkson and my feeling is that all our eggs were in that basket, with an expectation that he'd say yes. I've been pro-Clarkson for a while, but in hindsight, I'd have been just as happy to keep Teague and create a better unit.

My judgement isn't clouded by corporate speak. Where many on here love that Sayers spoke about finals next year, the more obvious and sensible conclusion is that it's great to have that goal, but keep it indoors. All that announcing it publicly achieves (aside from scoring some brownie points from desperate fans) is to place pressure on the team/coach unnecessarily bc the media will be all over it.

I've only been a member for 20 years and haven't ever read a 'promise' from a Carlton Board announcement.

I would like the Club to keep pokies as a source of revenue for as long as they are legal and then they can switch to selling medicinal marijuana - I beleive in people's right to make their own decisions and their personal responsibility and accountability as a consequence.

I think any conservartive politician is better than Chairman Dan and his bosses at the corner of Lyogn St - and unlike you I know them all - because they have been my clients for over two decades - and in saying that I dont think political commentary is at all relevant - but there you go.

You should bend the knee to the Pratt family and Mathieson for keeping the CLub alive when the AFL and the CLub's own members abandoned it - if not that show some respect at least and if not that - show some appreciation.

Corporates are a representation of the cross section of society.

The Club is getting a lot of negative feedback from supporters for all sorts of things - so what?

Teague was handled as well as he allowed the club to handle matters- he got bad advice from his manager - advice specifically designed to embarass the Club - Sayers has treated him with more respect than he deserves- smart move that too.

Doesn't matter whcih coach replaces TEague- anyone could coach a better game plan and the whole world knows it and it doesn't matter which coach is appointed if they arent supported by a decent head of football or a CEO who continues to stick his nose where he has no business or competence.

and finally I am happy that Sayers has made it clear that the primary focus of the CLub shoudl be on winning games - it is about time that that was a declared aim and objective of the organisation - if you bothered to read the constitution it hasn't been the case.

 

[charred_fate]

I've only been a member for 20 years and haven't ever read a 'promise' from a Carlton Board announcement.

Corporates are a representation of the cross section of society.

The Club is getting a lot of negative feedback from supporters for all sorts of things - so what?

Teague was handled as well as he allowed the club to handle matters- he got bad advice from his manager - advice specifically designed to embarass the Club - Sayers has treated him with more respect than he deserves- smart move that too.

Doesn't matter whcih coach replaces TEague- anyone could coach a better game plan and the whole world knows it and it doesn't matter which coach is appointed if they arent supported by a decent head of football or a CEO who continues to stick his nose where he has no business or competence.

and finally I am happy that Sayers has made it clear that the primary focus of the CLub shoudl be on winning games - it is about time that that was a declared aim and objective of the organisation - if you bothered to read the constitution it hasn't been the case.

LOL

 

[JustaBattler]

LOL

I hadthe same reaction when I read your nuffery