Autopsy Forget rock bottom - Roos enter the event horizon vs Eagles

[Billy Not Really]

Can you imagine Pagan ripping into these losers?

Given the current times I dunno how far Clarko can go as far as spraying the players. We know they cracked the sads after the Noble spray.

Coz god forbid we hurt the feelings of these millionaires with a few choice words. Just shut up, pay up, show up to our shitty performances and accept mediocrity. That's the message this mob are sending to us.

Well I say fukk that. You aren't entitled to my money,or my time - earn it or fukk off out of the club. The product you are providing is dogshit.

Have a look at this speech. How many you think of the current lot are doing the things Denis mentions here? The %ers that add up? I'd bet close to none.

The great irony of that is the part where Denis asks how many of them they think will be on an AFL list in 3 years time, and that staying there is the hardest part and not getting there which is the easiest.

Take a look at that room, drafts upon drafts of players who made it to another AFL list and performed better, were total spuds or injured out of a career, and its the majority of the room. ****ing sad.

 

[rm3504]

The next five years are critical otherwise it may be out of our hands.

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Am surprised our future in the comp is not debated more
Surely will once Tasmania entry gets closer
Club looks utterly hopeless in every way

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

I’m just watching the replay. A shout to (I think) Young who sprinted 40 metres to lay a shepherd on Chesser when Sleevo went for his three bounce dash up the wing to Larkey in the 4th.

I almost spat out my tea!

 

[Nate1993]

Whoops, I came here thinking that this was the 'Is this rock bottom?' thread. I will move along

 

[QueenslandRoo]

Luke McDonald at any other club would be finished. I'm starting to think all this love-in stuff at North is the problem. No accountable. Just let's pat each other on the back and be good mates. That attitude will bury this once proud club.

I don't think supporters appreciate just how bad morale was after churning through so many coaches in so few years. It was only yesterday that half the team wanted out. And who would have blamed them?

Administratively, we were a rabble.

The first thing Viney, Clarko and co have had to do is to build relationships, build trust and make the place somewhere people want to be. That takes time.
You don't change a culture, especially one as bad as ours, in a season.

The other thing supporters can never appreciate is just how disruptive the loss of Clarko - for half the year - has had on that process. Just as players had some assurance about coaching stability, that stability was shattered.

Honestly, if Ratten had not stepped up to fill the void, we would be completely screwed. Player confidence in the club would have been completely and utterly lost. There would have been no coming back.

So if all that is achieved this year is that there is a great atmosphere around the club and a level of confidence in direction has been achieved, that's a signifiant win - worth far more than 4 points against the Weagels.

On a slightly different note, I agree that we played dumb football in that final 90 seconds. I agree that so few of our players exhibit leadership and basic football IQ. But again, five coaches in 4 years (or whatever it is) ... what do we expect? This group is two or three years in development behind where they ought be ... and it's not primary their fault. Rather than copping abuse for losing games right now, the guys on our list deserve respect for actually having stuck around.

We'll get there as a club, but this is going to be a long journey over three or four years. The patience of Job is required.

 

[William Caresser]

We lost ~80% of ground contests. It was like we had no one at the fall of the ball.

The backline of medium defenders who choose to leave their man and fly for the mark is triggering.

If players do that, they have to kill the ball out but ours weren't and then their man got the easy crumb. Just basic errors like that every week.

 

[Cyber_punk]

The great irony of that is the part where Denis asks how many of them they think will be on an AFL list in 3 years time, and that staying there is the hardest part and not getting there which is the easiest.

Take a look at that room, drafts upon drafts of players who made it to another AFL list and performed better, were total spuds or injured out of a career, and its the majority of the room. ******* sad.

And then I just envision Lmac and Brady coming in to the room dancing and dabbing on him while holding onto Luke's 5 year contract

 

[tazaa]

Did anyone watch West Coast against Sydney a few weeks ago. Or West Coast against Carlton last week?
I know a few of us did because of the draft order.
We just lost to that side. Us. I dont think I have ever seen a side as uncompetitive as what they were in those games. Then you watch today. This IS as bad as it looks.

We just got outplayed for 2 quarters like they were premiership contenders.
Go have a look at the players picked for the Eagles today.

I know a few are trying to find positives, but losing that game of footy is probably the most embarrassing result for this club in a long long time.
The culture sucks so, so much. It’s actually cancerous.

Drastic action just needs to be taken starting with the captains and then the senior players. I dont want farewell games or sentiment. Make the delistings now and get on with planning for next year.

Clarko, Sonja, Viney - none of them have time. Everyone is on notice.
Membership and attendance is going to take a big hit. The club may have lost the respect of the football world a long time ago but it is no starting to lose the respect of those who matter most.

Good luck to the North powerbrokers. Rather you guys than me thats for sure

 

[Makeshift Park]

Was Kayne Turner playing a farewell game?

When all the players were giving him love after his goal in the first, I'm sure I wasn't alone in thinking "well that is probably Sugar's last major".

 

[zoomba23]

The only, only positive is that I have a gut feeling for the first time that we are actually at rock bottom. All the other times, you kind of thought yeah but this or that could feasibly go wrong too. This feeling is different. There is nothing that will top losing to that West Coast side aside from the club being folded (yes I didn't actually mean that post, I was just angry) Nothing will top it. For once, for the first time in years, we can't go any lower within reason. There's still the chance of some freak occurrence but within reasonable interpretations, this is it.

I'm not gonna say that the situation will improve. But there's **** all scope for circumstances within the club to get worse than this during preseason. Even a long term injury to an important player will be meh in comparison to this. Clarko back next week to instill some fear in them. Let's see if they have the gall to pull another scoreless quarter out of the trick bag :/

 

[hilly]

I don't think supporters appreciate just how bad morale was after churning through so many coaches in so few years. It was only yesterday that half the team wanted out. And who would have blamed them?

Administratively, we were a rabble.

The first thing Viney, Clarko and co have had to do is to build relationships, build trust and make the place somewhere people want to be. That takes time.
You don't change a culture, especially one as bad as ours, in a season.

The other thing supporters can never appreciate is just how disruptive the loss of Clarko - for half the year - has had on that process. Just as players had some assurance about coaching stability, that stability was shattered.

Honestly, if Ratten had not stepped up to fill the void, we would be completely screwed. Player confidence in the club would have been completely and utterly lost. There would have been no coming back.

So if all that is achieved this year is that there is a great atmosphere around the club and a level of confidence in direction has been achieved, that's a signifiant win - worth far more than 4 points against the Weagels.

On a slightly different note, I agree that we played dumb football in that final 90 minutes. I agree that so few of our players exhibit leadership and basic football IQ. But again, five coaches in 4 years (or whatever it is) ... what do we expect. This group is two or three years in development behind where they ought be ... and it's not primary their fault. Rather than abuse for losing games right now, they deserve respect for actually having stuck around.

We'll get there as a club, but this is going to be a long journey over three or four years. The patience of Job is required.

Five more minutes of putting in and we would have won. The first and third quarters were unacceptable.

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[TheKanga]

Did anyone watch West Coast against Sydney a few weeks ago. Or West Coast against Carlton last week?
I know a few of us did because of the draft.
We just lost to that side. Us. I dont think I have ever seen a side as uncompetitive as what they were in those games. Then you watch today. This is as bad as it looks.

We just got outplayed for 2 quarters like they were premiership contenders.
Go have a look at the players picked for the Eagles today.

I know a few are trying to find positive but losing the game of footy is probably the most embarrassing result for this club in a long long time.
The culture sucks so so much. Its actually cancerous.

Drastic action just needs to be taken starting with the captains and then the senior players. I dont want farewell games or sentiment. Make the delistings now and get on with planning for next year.

Clarko, Sonja, Viney - none of them have time. Everyone is on notice.
Membership and attendance is going to take a big hit. The club may have lost the respect of the football world a long time ago but it is no starting to lose the respect of those who matter most.

Good luck to the North powerbrokers. Rather you guys than me thats for sure

Also just watch Essendon will absolutely belt them next week.

 

[amaz199]

McKay has become a very average defender. Don't really care if he can take the odd intercept mark but when he has the ball to get rid of it, prepare for the worst. I'm a little disappointed by the fact his offensive game has become zero as of late. When you're in the leadership group, I'd like to see that 2021 McKay on display but anyway...

Phillips still needs a proper pre-season to get going again. This year was about getting his match conditioning up to scratch and he has been great despite the obstacles. Today, he didn't get as much ball but we've seen what impact he has. He will be our next captain.

Corr will become a staple in our backline. Has been very good since Logue has gone down.

Sheezel was his usual superstar self. Too bad his teammates constantly let him down choosing to handball the hot potato to him under extreme pressure.

Taylor has actually been alright since he returned. Maybe I am clutching at straws here, but if Clarko gives him a genuine talking to about where he needs to go, I can still see a role for him.

LDU is a Brownlow medallist in a better team. Poor bloke.

Lmac was nowhere to be seen? Didn't notice him at all today.

Jy was ok in patches but other than that, didn't really notice his impact. Coming back from concussion was always going to be tough, but he's our co-captain and should be leading the way. LDU felt a little on his own today when they usually gel pretty well.

Turner was well... ok? But that's his ceiling. Gonna be delisted.

Young seemed to be confused at every opportunity and probably had 1-3 good moments. That's just not gonna cut it. Delist on the cards.

JZ came on and didn't get off to a good start, but he became more impactful as the game went on. He simply doesn't give up which is an indictment on his teammates.

Give Goldy another contract. NOW.

Goater getting injured and managed was possibly the worst thing today. Late in the game his run would've been crucial.

Scott has been really average as of recent. Knowing what he has produced in the past, I am still far from impressed by his performance today.

Robbie couldn't do much with the ball movement today. So uninspiring that it cost him any real opportunity.

Archer embraces the challenge at every opportunity. I wish his teammates did the same.

Larkey frustrates me so much but at the same time, we move the ball so badly it's hard to place all the blame on him.

Tucker was alright and has been good since returning.

Not sure if Xerri will make it but he is getting involved so I am pausing my judgement on him until he's given some continuity.

Curtis is a star and was basically our only dangerous forward. Comical against one of the weakest teams.

Thomas was very average and didn't have much impact. Stark contrast to last week and his month before that.

Sleevo has become really shit as of recent. Should honestly be dropped at this point.

Ford was ok but that was about it. Blazed away a few times with the ball in hand.

The whole team was off with a few exceptions. It's a team of individual efforts at the moment. No one is on the same page.

 

[R00StaR]

I'm a 12 year member and this club has completely drained any sort of positive or even neutral emotion I once had. My mates don't even give me a bit of stick anymore due to how pathetic the club has become.

I still didn't even care at the end if we won or not because even if they had pulled it off we didn't deserve it. Played atrociously bad. What the * do they do each week at training?

Imagine getting paid 500k a year to be really bad at your job. Disgraceful.

Really bad at your job in the worst team = learn to code

 

[Forever North]

No Leaders

Watch in real life at your next game

No talking. No instruction. Nothing

Dismal

Gaso, I’ve rarely missed a match in the last 40 odd years. I go week in week out and will continue to do so. It’s the clubs lowest ebb for sure unfortunately. You’re 100% correct about our leadership. It’s simply non existent and just so hopeless. It’s the first thing Clarko must fix otherwise he and the club are not serious. It’s possibly cost us 2-3 wins this year as well as demoralising the young guys on the list. How can McDonald who is barely AFL standard become captain? If Simpkin wasn’t co captain I’d put him up for trade and maybe stooge a club for a top 20 pick. Still waiting for his breakout season.

 

[chubbspeterson]

That was rough. I still reckon we can turn this thing around somewhat after a massive offseason.
We just have no idea how to put 4 quarters together or how to win. That's 4 games we've left on the table under 12 points this year.
Maybe the retirement and rumoured delistings (Hall) have started to hit the group that changes are coming?
We looked either flat or lazy, just didn't look like we wanted it badly enough, our pressure was way below what WCE produced.
Is that a fatigue or fitness issue? Effort? Probably all three. Sheezel looked like he was bloody sore, he might need a rest.
That one win isn't going to mean a whole lot in the scheme of things but it would've been good for the energy/spirit of the group.
One thing that sticks out is we're trialing "outside 5" a lot rather than "hard' manning the mark.
We look like the worst forward pressure group in the comp. Comben made a massive difference with his tackling pressure earlier in the year but our smalls can't lock anything inside the forward 50. We also have probably the worst defense in the competition.
Get rid of the players who aren't up to it and challenge those who are there to get out of this position.

 

[Rod Stroker]

Didn’t have a disposal after halftime


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he did. but they were for the Eagles

 

[domiroo]

Thats just as bad as losing the 98 flag . Terrible performance against a second’s squad..

 

[tazaa]

Also just watch Essendon will absolutely belt them next week.

10 goals plus easily
Especially after a win for Eagles. That high will come crashing down

 

[Rod Stroker]

"Thank * that stint is over. They're all yours Clarko"; Ratts

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Larkey was leading to the ball because Hurn was letting him and as Larkey would put his hands up Hurn would use his body to nudge him under the ball and take the mark..

After it happened the first couple of times I thought Larkey would stop his lead while the ball was in the air and let Hurn cannon into his back or at least stifle Hurns ability to push him under the ball, but alas not to be..

At this stage, if we have a small around Larkey when he is engaging in a locked-arms one-on-one marking effort with a defender, I would be asking Larkey not to go for the mark at all but to tap it down like a ruck.

I would love a percentage of strength-based contested mark situations for Karkey over the year.

I know we make it impossible by not kicking to advantage and he is usually double teamed due to not having another forward, but surely we need to try something different!

 

[LETSGOKANGAS]

Just read that players on this insipid list sooked that Noble was training them too hard, sooked when he gave them a spray.

These new age soy boy hacks need to be named and shamed and cut quickly. Dont care who it is. Get this disease out of my club!!!!

 

[NMFC49]

I don't think supporters appreciate just how bad morale was after churning through so many coaches in so few years. It was only yesterday that half the team wanted out. And who would have blamed them?

Administratively, we were a rabble.

The first thing Viney, Clarko and co have had to do is to build relationships, build trust and make the place somewhere people want to be. That takes time.
You don't change a culture, especially one as bad as ours, in a season.

The other thing supporters can never appreciate is just how disruptive the loss of Clarko - for half the year - has had on that process. Just as players had some assurance about coaching stability, that stability was shattered.

Honestly, if Ratten had not stepped up to fill the void, we would be completely screwed. Player confidence in the club would have been completely and utterly lost. There would have been no coming back.

So if all that is achieved this year is that there is a great atmosphere around the club and a level of confidence in direction has been achieved, that's a signifiant win - worth far more than 4 points against the Weagels.

On a slightly different note, I agree that we played dumb football in that final 90 seconds. I agree that so few of our players exhibit leadership and basic football IQ. But again, five coaches in 4 years (or whatever it is) ... what do we expect? This group is two or three years in development behind where they ought be ... and it's not primary their fault. Rather than copping abuse for losing games right now, the guys on our list deserve respect for actually having stuck around.

We'll get there as a club, but this is going to be a long journey over three or four years. The patience of Job is required.

You make good and valid points. However it does not excuse unacceptable performance by senior players not once but over an entire season. Good leadership is making tough and difficult decisions, and inspiring those with less talent to lift their standards. This is currently bereft at our club.

 

[ferball]

I’m just watching the replay. A shout to (I think) Young who sprinted 40 metres to lay a shepherd on Chesser when Sleevo went for his three bounce dash up the wing to Larkey in the 4th.

I almost spat out my tea!

Young tried his guts out. He's probably not good enough tho.

 

[zoomba23]

Just read that players on this insipid list sooked that Noble was training them too hard, sooked when he gave them a spray.

These new age soy boy hacks need to be named and shamed and cut quickly. Dont care who it is. Get this disease out of my club!!!!

Where'd you come across that tidbit?