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2023 AFL Trade Period and the AFL Draft

All About Carlton

Current draft picks: done
2024 draft picks: 1st, 2nd, 4th (Fre), 4th (GC), 4th (WBU)

List changes:
Out: 7 - Ed Curnow (Ret), Plowman (Ret), O'Brien (Del), Philp (Del), Honey (Del), Fisher (Trade), Dow (Trade)
In: 6 - Rob Monahan (IIR-CatB), Elijah Hollands (Trade), Orazio Fantasia (DFA), Ashton Moir (pick 29), Billy Wilson (pick 34), Matthew Carroll (Rookie pick 15)
Uncontracted: 0.
Retained SSP Players: 2 - Cincotta, O'Keeffe
Upgraded Rookie: 1 - Cottrell

List status:
Senior - 36 (36-38)
Rookie - 6 (0-6)
Cat-B Rookie - 2 (0-2)
Total - 44 (44)

Free spots - 0

Note - Matt Duffy (Ireland) not included - assumption is he was not listed after injuring knee.

List Lodgment Dates: OPEN
Tue 31-Oct: List Lodgment 1 COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: Father/Son, NGA, Northern Academy bidding nominations close COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: International Scholarship Listed players inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Thu 9-Nov: List Lodgment 2 COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Father/Son Primary List lodgment close COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Players not registered for 3 years inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: International Players inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Wed 22-Nov: List Lodgment 3 (post National draft) COMPLETE
Thu 23-Nov: FINAL List Lodgment (post PSD & Rookie drafts) PENDING

The Draft:
Mon 20-Nov
Time 7pm: National Draft Round One COMPLETE
Tue 21-Nov
5.45pm - 6.30pm: Selection Trade period COMPLETE
7pm: National Draft Round Two to completion COMPLETE
Following completion of draft: Rookie Promotion to Primary List COMPLETE
Following completion of draft: Delisted Free Agency Period (3) COMPLETE
Wed 22-Nov
Northern Academy and NGA Academy eligible Pre-Selected Rookie and Father-Son Pre-Selected Rookie player nominations
3pm: AFL Pre-season Draft COMPLETE
3.20pm: AFL Rookie Draft COMPLETE

Supplementary Selection Period (SSP): PENDING
Mon 27-Nov 9am: SSP starts (players must have been on AFL list previously OR nominated for 2023 draft)
Mon 19-Feb 5pm: SSP ends


Draft Nominations: CLOSED
Tue 10-Oct 9am: AFL Draft Nominations open COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: Out-of-contract listed AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft) COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov 3pm: AFL Draft Nominations close COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Delisted AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft) COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Non-retained rookie list player draft nomination close COMPLETE

Player and Selection Trades: CLOSED
Mon 9-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Commences – Players & Selections COMPLETE
Wed 18-Oct 7.30pm: AFL Trade Period Closes – Players & Selections COMPLETE
Mon 23-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Opens – Selections Only COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: AFL Trade Period Closes –Selections Only COMPLETE

Delisted Free Agency Periods: CLOSED
Wed 01-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences COMPLETE
Wed 08-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes COMPLETE
(see also period 3 under "The Draft" section below)

Restricted/Unrestricted Free Agency Trades: CLOSED
Fri 6-Oct 9am: AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period Commences COMPLETE
Fri 13-Oct 5pm: Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period COMPLETE
Mon 16-Oct 5pm: AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends COMPLETE

Draft Combines: CLOSED
Fri 6-Oct to Sun 8-Oct: National Draft Combine COMPLETE
Sun 8-Oct: Victorian State Combine COMPLETE
Sat 14-Oct: SA/NT State Combine COMPLETE
Sun 15-Oct: WA State Combine COMPLETE

6-Oct
1. James Jordon to Sydney as UFA. Melbourne receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (40)
2. Matt Flynn to WCE as UFA. GWS receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (41)
8-Oct
3. Joel Hamling to Sydney as UFA. Fremantle do not receive any compensation.
9-Oct
4. Tom Doedee to Brisbane as RFA. Adelaide receive end of 1st round compensation (pick 20)
5. Pick Swap: GCS trade picks 5, 48, 53 and future 3rd (GC) to WBU in return for picks 11, 18 and future 1st rd (WBU)
6. Pick Swap: Freo trade pick 25 and future 2nd rd to Port for future 1st (Port)
7. Todd Goldstein to Essendon as UFA. No compensation for North Melbourne.
10-Oct
8. Ben McKay to Essendon as RFA. North Melbourne receive 1st round pick as compensation (3)
9. James Harmes to Western Bulldogs. Melbourne receive a future 3rd rd pick (WBU)
11-Oct
10. Dylan Stephens to North Melbourne with pick 26. Sydney receive a future end of first round (pick 19) and this year's pick 45.
11. Pick Swap: Melbourne receives pick 11. Gold Coast get 14, 28, 36 in return.
12. Chris Burgess and pick 14 to Adelaide. Gold Coast get picks 24 and 27.
13. Pick Swap: North Melbourne receive pick 18. Gold Coast gets future end of first round (pick 20) comp pick.
14. Brodie Grundy to Sydney. Melbourne receive pick 47 and future second round pick (Syd)
15. Taylor Adams to Sydney. Collingwood receive pick 34.
16. Zac Fisher to North Melbourne with pick 17. CARLTON receive picks 22 and 26.
13-Oct
17. Jade Gresham to Essendon as RFA. St Kilda receive end of 1st round compensation (pick 21)
18. Toby Pink to North Melbourne - delisted free agent.
19. Tom Fullarton to Melbourne. Brisbane receive pick 47 in return.
14-Oct
20. Tyler Brockman to West Coast Eagles. Hawthorn receive picks 44 and 63 in return.
16-Oct
21. Bigoa Nyuon to North Melbourne. Richmond receive pick 65.
22. Lachie Schultz to Collingwood. Fremantle receive pick 34 and a future first round pick (Col) in return.
23. Liam Henry and future round four (Fre) pick to St Kilda. Fremantle receive a future 2nd (StK) and future 4th (StK).
17-Oct
24. Shane McAdam to Melbourne. Adelaide receive a future second round pick (Mel) in return.
25. Multi-trade
.... CARLTON: Give - Paddy Dow, future 3rd (Car), future 4th (Car). Receive - future 3rd (Ess), future 4th (Fre), future 4th (WBU)
.... Essendon: Give - 52, future 3rd (Ess). Receive - pick 35, future 4th (Car)
.... St Kilda: Give - Nick Coffield, picks 35, 56, future 4th (Fre). Receive - Paddy Dow, pick 40, future 3rd (Car)
.... Western Bulldogs: Give - pick 40, future 4th (WBU). Receive - Nick Coffield, picks 52, 56
18-Oct
26. Ivan Soldo to Port Adelaide with pick 50. Richmond receive picks 41, 49 a future 2nd round (Fre) and future 4th round (PA).
27. Jack Ginnivan pick 39, future 2nd (Col) and future 4th (Col) to Hawthorn. Collingwood receive pick 33, future 2nd (Haw), future 3rd (Haw)
28. Jordan Sweet to Port Adelaide. Western Bulldogs receive pick 50 in return.
29. Esava Ratugolea to Port Adelaide. Geelong receive picks 25, 76 and 94.
30. Elijah Hollands to CARLTON with pick 28 and future 4th (GC). Gold Coast receive pick 26 and future 3rd (Ess).
31. Jacob Koschitzke to Richmond. Hawthorn receive pick 49.
32. Jack Billings to Melbourne. St Kilda receive a future 3rd round pick (Mel).
33. Multi-trade
.... Brisbane: Give - Jack Gunston, picks 47, 61, future 2nd round (Bri). Receive - Ryan, 39, 54, future 4th (Haw).
.... Hawthorn: Give - Brandon Ryan, picks 39, 54, future 4th round (Haw). Receive - Gunston, 47, 61, future 2nd (Bri).
34. Mabior Chol to Hawthorn with pick 62. Gold Coast receive a future 2nd round pick (Bri).
35. Massimo D'Ambrosio to Hawthorn. Essendon receive pick 61, future 4th round (Col)
36. Multi-trade
.... Essendon: Give - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, pick 73, future 4th round (Ess), future 4th round (Car). Receive - Xavier Duursma
.... Port Adelaide: Give - Xavier Duursma. Receive - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, 73, future 4th round (Ess), future 4th round (Car)





Nominated:
Elliott Himmelberg to GWS (Trade) - staying at GWS

Mooted:
Buku Khamis - staying at Dogs
Dylan Shiel
Clayton Oliver - Ade/Gee - staying at Melbourne
Ollie Wines
Dan McKenzie - Suns?
Scott Lycett
Tom Clurey
James Borlase
Brynn Teakle
Josh Sinn
Orazio Fantasia - GWS?
Sam Hayes
Harrison Petty


Potential DFA and Retiree moves:
TBA

Missed Out on trades:
TBA




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List Changes by Club
 
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De Mattia seems a very likely candidate for Pick 21. Quick, skilled, versatile, leadership creds. Plug him in as a pressure forward, build towards midfield rotations, if that doesn't work out can always swing him to half back.

Pick 25 could be anyone.

Could play it safe with a meat & potatoes midfielder in George Stevens or Charlie Edwards.

Logan Morris appeals to me as a genuine goal-kicking third tall forward, something I still don't think we really have on the list.

Tew Jiath could be worth a look as future planning for Gov and Marchy falling to pieces. Luamon Lual could be seen as a successor to Saad in a few years.

Depending on Mirkov's recovery prospects we may look at a ruck like Mitch Edwards, or forward/ruck like Archer Reid.

Archie Roberts looks like the type of player we love, but with our existing profile and the upcoming Campo's I can't help but feel he just disappears into a logjam of half back/wing types.

If we get the player we want at 21 I could definitely see us taking a bit more of a risk at 25. Lance Collard the obvious one. Arie Schoenmaker doesn't appeal to me on what I've seen but I wouldn't dismiss the selection if we're taking him in addition to someone else. Both seem to have big upside but significant risk.

De Mattia + one of Morris, Jiath or Collard is where I'd lean.

Forward half players seem the best bet given we'll likely want to make room in the backline for the Irish boys early on. No point recruiting 3 rebounding defenders and then having to shoehorn one or two into different roles.
 
Benaly28 said:
I’d really hate to be an aints or bombers supporter.Just the sheer ego of both list managers to who has the bigger d… is so just annoying.That d…….d Dodo who’s been there for so long and delivered sweet FA with that list and Sos who thinks the sun shines out of his a…

God they s… me.


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I’m really surprised by some comments towrsds SOS. I would have thought by now, everyone would be aware that:
1. SOS is fair (a bit too fair) with his dealings
2. He does not rush into his trades until everything is lined up.
I guess people really do have small memories or say what pleases them at the time.
just shocked.
 

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I recon we can get two really good prospects with 21 and 25, i actually dont think we need to trade up id be keeping the picks
I recon we can get Hollands with a future pick
 
HavUEvaSeenTheRain said:
I hope we just trade our pick 25 and Future second for Hollands and 27.
Then take our picks to the draft.

Pick 8 would cost us a minimum imo of three decent picks, I’d prefer we just backed in Austin with our two picks in the 20’s and have our first rounder up our sleeves to trade next year for a player who might be the missing piece to a premiership.
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So we had a proven, contracted, 25 year old in Fisher. We had to step back our first round pick despite North having an arsenal of draft picks and Carlton supporters were celebrating this?

Hollands is an unproven, contracted, 21 year old who has played 14 games in 3 years and you're proposing we step back our 2nd rounder and cough up another 2nd as well?

All the while, it's basically accepted we are going to get a packet of twisties for Dow.

I don't understand the logic. We just have to pay up / cop it every time, no matter the circumstances? Hollands has a couple of question marks on him already; if we can't get him for Acres or Dow type deals, I wouldn't be upset at letting him play in the sun for another year and reassessing.
 
Kings of Lygon said:
So we had a proven, contracted, 25 year old in Fisher. We had to step back our first round pick despite North having an arsenal of draft picks and Carlton supporters were celebrating this?

Hollands is an unproven, contracted, 21 year old who has played 14 games in 3 years and you're proposing we step back our 2nd rounder and cough up another 2nd as well?

All the while, it's basically accepted we are going to get a packet of twisties for Dow.

I don't understand the logic. We just have to pay up / cop it every time, no matter the circumstances? Hollands has a couple of question marks on him already; if we can't get him for Acres or Dow type deals, I wouldn't be upset at letting him play in the sun for another year and reassessing.
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The grass is always greener on the other side isn’t it.
 
We got Acres for less than Young/received for Samo. Think it’s currently about pick 59.

Fisher, despite being contracted and offered an extension at his destination, just isn’t worth all that much.

Dow’s an out of contract pure inside mid. Unfortunately in the current marketplace that’s also not highly valued, teams are leaning towards maybe 2 inside mids combining them with more runners and ball users.

We’ll take what we can get, probably not 100% best value, feels like Austin would rather get ‘close enough’ and knock it off early, leaving more time and resources in case some favourable opportunities arise later in the period.

It’s certainly a less stressful process to watch from the outside than previous regimes.
 
Kings of Lygon said:
So we had a proven, contracted, 25 year old in Fisher. We had to step back our first round pick despite North having an arsenal of draft picks and Carlton supporters were celebrating this?

Hollands is an unproven, contracted, 21 year old who has played 14 games in 3 years and you're proposing we step back our 2nd rounder and cough up another 2nd as well?

All the while, it's basically accepted we are going to get a packet of twisties for Dow.

I don't understand the logic. We just have to pay up / cop it every time, no matter the circumstances? Hollands has a couple of question marks on him already; if we can't get him for Acres or Dow type deals, I wouldn't be upset at letting him play in the sun for another year and reassessing.
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What exactly has Fisher proven, other than that he simply could not be carried into the pressure of finals?

Nothing footballer.
 
Kings of Lygon said:
So we had a proven, contracted, 25 year old in Fisher. We had to step back our first round pick despite North having an arsenal of draft picks and Carlton supporters were celebrating this?

Hollands is an unproven, contracted, 21 year old who has played 14 games in 3 years and you're proposing we step back our 2nd rounder and cough up another 2nd as well?

All the while, it's basically accepted we are going to get a packet of twisties for Dow.

I don't understand the logic. We just have to pay up / cop it every time, no matter the circumstances? Hollands has a couple of question marks on him already; if we can't get him for Acres or Dow type deals, I wouldn't be upset at letting him play in the sun for another year and reassessing.
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Our second wouldn’t change as those picks before 27 are GC’s and will just be used for matching bids. It just gives them a few extra points.
Well our club obviously want Hollands more then we do Fisher so to us Hollands is worth more.
A future second for Hollands is great value imo and I don’t rate him that highly. It’s a low risk high reward type trade. Acres and Dow type trades are the same as SPS trades. Some work some don’t, Hollands still gets extra value because he is younger and more chance to realise his potential
 
Kings of Lygon said:
So we had a proven, contracted, 25 year old in Fisher. We had to step back our first round pick despite North having an arsenal of draft picks and Carlton supporters were celebrating this?

Hollands is an unproven, contracted, 21 year old who has played 14 games in 3 years and you're proposing we step back our 2nd rounder and cough up another 2nd as well?

All the while, it's basically accepted we are going to get a packet of twisties for Dow.

I don't understand the logic. We just have to pay up / cop it every time, no matter the circumstances? Hollands has a couple of question marks on him already; if we can't get him for Acres or Dow type deals, I wouldn't be upset at letting him play in the sun for another year and reassessing.
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What Fisher has proven, especially this year with our relentless pressure is that he is not fit for it. He is conditional and unaccountable. His good can be very good, his consistent output is not there. We have spent years getting away from these sort of players we are now finally in a position to really add layers to the list and people are complaining about the 'deal'
He was not starting 22 and depth. We got Acres for a 3rd or 4th rounder. In terms of value how would you rate Fisher in relation to Acres given output.
 

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The Bighouse said:
Too long til draft night…who will it be?
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Pick 21 Harry DeMattia. A speedy two way inside mid that can also play forward and back. High pressure player who hard working and a strong leader. 100% Voss's type.
Pick 25 Arie Schoenberg. 194cm Tall defender. One of the best and longest kicks in the draft. Played last year with Cowan and is a blues supporter. Could be the next "Woof"

Others- WA NGA pair Mitch Edwards modern day ruckman and Lance Collard small forward with a massive highlight reel. Or SA forwards Jack Delean and Ashton Moir. Both are creative small forwards.
 
Kings of Lygon said:
So we had a proven, contracted, 25 year old in Fisher. We had to step back our first round pick despite North having an arsenal of draft picks and Carlton supporters were celebrating this?

Hollands is an unproven, contracted, 21 year old who has played 14 games in 3 years and you're proposing we step back our 2nd rounder and cough up another 2nd as well?

All the while, it's basically accepted we are going to get a packet of twisties for Dow.

I don't understand the logic. We just have to pay up / cop it every time, no matter the circumstances? Hollands has a couple of question marks on him already; if we can't get him for Acres or Dow type deals, I wouldn't be upset at letting him play in the sun for another year and reassessing.
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I tend to agree with you on Fisher. It is not a big issue though - just a view Carlton just do end up on slightly the wrong side of players leaving our club and pick value. The fact that we were on the right side of Acres/Martin isnt really relevant.

Carlton do seem to miss a trick on getting the best value out of unwanted players (Dow/Stocker/Fisher/Setters).

Last year was Fisher's best year and his upside was growing where he belonged at AFL level. Fast forward to this year and the wheels fell off for the entire team in the first half of the season. Half forwards need supply and Fisher like Motlop and Silvagni were scapegoats of that bad form when it was really the midfield / midfield defensive actions that needed attention. Only Curnow as a forward survived criticism because he is a freak. P

Fast forward to the second half of the year and the disaster that was supposedly Motlop and Silvagni were completely different animals. Fisher never got the chance to even rectify what was a midfield /defensive running problem earlier in the year. Starved of possession with down the line high balls to packs of ten+ over and over again. Braindead footy given no small/medium fwd a chance. Martin found that out when we played Brisbane and went back to high balls to huge packs down the line. And on JSoS, people wanted JSoS delisted until the midfield rectified and in that improved performance JSoS played unbelievably well.

I think this leaves North picking up a player on the precipice that we have wasted away, not used correctly, not given chance of redemption like JSoS/Motlop got and that ultimately costs us value in rating Fisher 20 instead of 30...particularly a contracted player. Basically everyone and sundry knows Carlton didnt rate him so no way they are paying anything of true value. The very same thing playing out with Dow. Carlton have advertised globally that Dow is a useless spud who they refused to play until ground Zero armageddon and nothing to lose in the season. Dow def offers enough over a random pick 35 in the draft given that number's history but Carlton will be lucky to snare a slap in the face from St Kilda.

THe management of the player's image, and rating of the player by the public needs to be managed better by Carlton.

I'm waffling a bit and only believe in this to an extent. Mostly based on the departing player's quality...
 
JustOneTime said:
I tend to agree with you on Fisher. It is not a big issue though - just a view Carlton just do end up on slightly the wrong side of players leaving our club and pick value. The fact that we were on the right side of Acres/Martin isnt really relevant.

Carlton do seem to miss a trick on getting the best value out of unwanted players (Dow/Stocker/Fisher/Setters).

Last year was Fisher's best year and his upside was growing where he belonged at AFL level. Fast forward to this year and the wheels fell off for the entire team in the first half of the season. Half forwards need supply and Fisher like Motlop and Silvagni were scapegoats of that bad form when it was really the midfield / midfield defensive actions that needed attention. Only Curnow as a forward survived criticism because he is a freak. P

Fast forward to the second half of the year and the disaster that was supposedly Motlop and Silvagni were completely different animals. Fisher never got the chance to even rectify what was a midfield /defensive running problem earlier in the year. Starved of possession with down the line high balls to packs of ten+ over and over again. Braindead footy given no small/medium fwd a chance. Martin found that out when we played Brisbane and went back to high balls to huge packs down the line. And on JSoS, people wanted JSoS delisted until the midfield rectified and in that improved performance JSoS played unbelievably well.

I think this leaves North picking up a player on the precipice that we have wasted away, not used correctly, not given chance of redemption like JSoS/Motlop got and that ultimately costs us value in rating Fisher 20 instead of 30...particularly a contracted player. Basically everyone and sundry knows Carlton didnt rate him so no way they are paying anything of true value. The very same thing playing out with Dow. Carlton have advertised globally that Dow is a useless spud who they refused to play until ground Zero armageddon and nothing to lose in the season. Dow def offers enough over a random pick 35 in the draft given that number's history but Carlton will be lucky to snare a slap in the face from St Kilda.

THe management of the player's image, and rating of the player by the public needs to be managed better by Carlton.

I'm waffling a bit and only believe in this to an extent. Mostly based on the departing player's quality...
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Reason our form turned around was because Fogarty Martin and Cuningham came in and had an immense impact on our forward half pressure. Fisher is a weak defensive player and will not be missed.
 
WalshistheGOAT said:
Reason our form turned around was because Fogarty Martin and Cuningham came in and had an immense impact on our forward half pressure. Fisher is a weak defensive player and will not be missed.
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It's worth saying that Clarko doesnt see what you see. I doubt Clarko looks for any weak/soft/poor players in any context and on top of that, who are in contract.
 
WalshistheGOAT said:
Reason our form turned around was because Fogarty Martin and Cuningham came in and had an immense impact on our forward half pressure. Fisher is a weak defensive player and will not be missed.
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think we can refrain from clipping carlton players on the way out? gutless as..............
 

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