Injury Fremantle 2023 Injury Thread

[Descent]

I’m interested to know if the club have tried shockwave therapy for Fyfe’s plantar.

I suffered badly from the same injury - could not run and walking was painful.

Tried resting it for months to no avail, then had shockwave therapy and it was fixed in 3 weeks .

While the therapy itself is bloody painful, the result for me was incredible - fixed it completely..


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While I’m glad it worked for you, there is pretty compelling evidence to say that, in general, it’s not very effective. Plantar fasciitis is a frustrating condition to treat – there are few evidence-based treatments and many, many non-evidence-based treatments used by various practitioners. It’s basically avoid exacerbating activities, do stretching exercises, orthotics, steroid injection (dubious effectiveness outside of psoriatic arthritis), surgery.

 

[Taylor]

While I’m glad it worked for you, there is pretty compelling evidence to say that, in general, it’s not very effective. Plantar fasciitis is a frustrating condition to treat – there are few evidence-based treatments and many, many non-evidence-based treatments used by various practitioners. It’s basically avoid exacerbating activities, do stretching exercises, orthotics, steroid injection (dubious effectiveness outside of psoriatic arthritis), surgery.

I put it to you that if the desired outcome is performing at the elite level again, regardless of ongoing pain or lingering/perhaps persistent damage, then the evidence leading towards a stable recovered condition, pain free and healed, isn't relevant.

The number of players who have run out on a football field the last 12 months who can't feel their toes or foot or the bottom three fingers on their hand because the most direct way to get them back to playing is to locally target the cause of pain with a blocker injection and get on with it is very large.

I'm not advocating that people who have office jobs and a bulging disk get a jab and work through it, but AFL footballers do and will.

Players do have agency over their treatment protocols and if I were a particularly nefarious journalist at the West I'd be asking "has Nat turned down any suggested treatment plans with a view towards a better long term outcome?" and then using the answer of "yes" should that be the case to bolster a claim that he is eyeing off a contract for 2024 onwards elsewhere.

 

[Belnakor]

Players do have agency over their treatment protocols and if I were a particularly nefarious journalist at the West I'd be asking "has Nat turned down any suggested treatment plans with a view towards a better long term outcome?" and then using the answer of "yes" should that be the case to bolster a claim that he is eyeing off a contract for 2024 onwards elsewhere.

it definitely seems to be pointing to that.

if it was a final surely Nat is playing with a jab.

 

[Descent]

I put it to you that if the desired outcome is performing at the elite level again, regardless of ongoing pain or lingering/perhaps persistent damage, then the evidence leading towards a stable recovered condition, pain free and healed, isn't relevant.

The number of players who have run out on a football field the last 12 months who can't feel their toes or foot or the bottom three fingers on their hand because the most direct way to get them back to playing is to locally target the cause of pain with a blocker injection and get on with it is very large.

I'm not advocating that people who have office jobs and a bulging disk get a jab and work through it, but AFL footballers do and will.

Players do have agency over their treatment protocols and if I were a particularly nefarious journalist at the West I'd be asking "has Nat turned down any suggested treatment plans with a view towards a better long term outcome?" and then using the answer of "yes" should that be the case to bolster a claim that he is eyeing off a contract for 2024 onwards elsewhere.

It’s very early in the season to go that route. Would not be defensible medical practice in a court of law.

 

[G Mus]

Completely tearing it would make Fyfe even slower and less explosive, would probably end his career at the top level

 

[Madas]

I put it to you that if the desired outcome is performing at the elite level again, regardless of ongoing pain or lingering/perhaps persistent damage, then the evidence leading towards a stable recovered condition, pain free and healed, isn't relevant.

The number of players who have run out on a football field the last 12 months who can't feel their toes or foot or the bottom three fingers on their hand because the most direct way to get them back to playing is to locally target the cause of pain with a blocker injection and get on with it is very large.

I'm not advocating that people who have office jobs and a bulging disk get a jab and work through it, but AFL footballers do and will.

Players do have agency over their treatment protocols and if I were a particularly nefarious journalist at the West I'd be asking "has Nat turned down any suggested treatment plans with a view towards a better long term outcome?" and then using the answer of "yes" should that be the case to bolster a claim that he is eyeing off a contract for 2024 onwards elsewhere.

This perhaps explains Taberners inability to hold a mark lately
Maybe he is so juiced up in horse tranq for his back pain that he can’t feel his hands ?

 

[BStaff17]

A few more losses and we will be welcoming Tabs back as our saviour .

Tabs is done.

Time to move on post this contract.

 

[blue shark]

Tabs is done.

Time to move on post this contract.

He had to be phased out, he is good depth but always an injury cloud brewing.

 

[mattis117]

Hamling - Test
Chapman 1-2 weeks
Switta 2 weeks
Colyer 2 weeks
Fyfe TBA
Tabs TBA

is Tabs back a convenient injury... Don't really want to frame it that way, but he was in line to be dropped.

 

[Van_Dyke]

Hamling - Test
Chapman 1-2 weeks
Switta 2 weeks
Colyer 2 weeks
Fyfe TBA
Tabs TBA

is Tabs back a convenient injury... Don't really want to frame it that way, but he was in line to be dropped.

given he's been having issues with his hip/hamstring for quite some time, doesn't surprise me at all that he's having back issues

 

[Joao]

Tabs isn't Carey but he's also much better than he put up this year. I think there is a 99.9% chance the injury is real and is impeding him.

 

[One_Wing]

Why would we cover with an injury and not just drop him?

 

[Spirit Level]

I think Tabs is close to cooked tbh, he's been having these issues for years and he looks severely hampered out there.

Chappy news is good

 

[greatgatsby]

Hamling - Test
Chapman 1-2 weeks
Switta 2 weeks
Colyer 2 weeks
Fyfe TBA
Tabs TBA

is Tabs back a convenient injury... Don't really want to frame it that way, but he was in line to be dropped.

If the club's inventing injuries to avoid being seen to be making tough selection calls then we are truly ****ed.

 

[s_wd6]

If the club's inventing injuries to avoid being seen to be making tough selection calls then we are truly ****ed.

Tabs is 100% carrying a back injury.

 

[Righteo]

Hamling - Test
Chapman 1-2 weeks
Switta 2 weeks
Colyer 2 weeks
Fyfe TBA
Tabs TBA

is Tabs back a convenient injury... Don't really want to frame it that way, but he was in line to be dropped.

With the way he was playing it makes sense. I mean the guy is only 29 and had one of his best ever preseasons but he could barely run when he was out there. An 'anti-Tabs' as I have been I don't think he's "cooked" by any means, he still has a role to play given how young Amiss/Jackson/Treacy are.

But the only way he should come back is through outstanding WAFL form.

 

[Purple Jesus]

This weird obsession with calling players careers done or cooked is a strange one. Is it for likes? Wasn't that said of Walters 2 years ago? Look at him now. Absolutely on fire.

 

[MadMundy]

O'Driscoll should get some time in the WAFL this week, shouldn't be back into the main side straight up from injury.

 

[Docker82]

This weird obsession with calling players careers done or cooked is a strange one. Is it for likes? Wasn't that said of Walters 2 years ago? Look at him now. Absolutely on fire.

Actually think Walters is a good template for what we need to do with Fyfe and Taberner tbh. I feel we could’ve rushed Walters back a week or two earlier but we didn’t and now he’s winding back the clock.

 

[mattis117]

If the club's inventing injuries to avoid being seen to be making tough selection calls then we are truly ****ed.

Not saying that at all, that would be dumb, just saying it made the decision for them.

 

[Joao]

This weird obsession with calling players careers done or cooked is a strange one. Is it for likes? Wasn't that said of Walters 2 years ago? Look at him now. Absolutely on fire.

Crap post. Put a line through prpl_jss he's cooked.

 

[Outshined]

Crap post. Put a line through prpl_jss he's cooked.

Nah don't even, I was the first one who said prpl_jss was cooked...check my post history.

Should have been traded to the Carlton board last season.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Nah don't even, I was the first one who said prpl_jss was cooked...check my post history.

Should have been traded to the Carlton board last season.

Oh no you didn't.

You've crossed a line there Outshined !

 

[Paracleet]

This weird obsession with calling players careers done or cooked is a strange one. Is it for likes? Wasn't that said of Walters 2 years ago? Look at him now. Absolutely on fire.

I agree with you, however in Tabs case I fear it might be true. These back issues aren't new and are pretty clearly getting worse.

 

[Outshined]

Oh no you didn't.

You've crossed a line there Outshined !

Sorry mate, no one deserves that kind of treatment