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AFLW 2024 - Round 9 - Indigenous Round - Chat, game threads, injury lists, team lineups and more.
Saints were no where near as bad, still made finals in 2011 ( the year he snuck out ) and even under Scott Watters( aka the angry dwarf ) we won 12 in his 1st year and 5 the following(2013) so actually, no where near it
Always wondered if Lyon got us to the GF's because of him or in spite of him, Thomas wasn't very good tactically and we definitely needed better defensive structures, but Lyon absolutely strangled the shit out of our creative players. and I see no difference in the Freo players.
pictures, maybe even video footage, what ever it is, it has to be bloody good.
did you see the way Carlton played vs Melbourne, that game ( Freo vs Blues ) would have to be 50/50 at best atm.
The Lyon style of coaching was never going to win a premiership.
I hate Lyon's style as much as anyone, but this statement is untrue. Lyon took teams to 3 GFs and was desperately unlucky not to win at least one of them. Plus he was only a few kicks away from a 4th GF.
They'll probably get a king's ransom for Fyfe which will ease that pain, no way he stays to toil away in a rebuild and piss away his prime years.From memory they don't have a second round pick this year.
Will make things a bit tougher.
Where is Harley Balic?
One further problem (and this is the thing that let us off the hook in 2009) - it stops you from really pressing home your advantage when you're on top, because it's so low-scoring.The problem with Rossball is
-it is so mentally and physically taxing it has about a 3 year use by date before the players have had jack of it.
-the emphasis on defined roles means development of juniors simply does not happen.
-it devalues skills like accurate kicking, which are required if the team later wants to adapt to any other style of play.
Didn't win! So the statement is True! He had the team available to him, but had them playing the wrong style of football. It's all about results, not luck.I hate Lyon's style as much as anyone, but this statement is untrue. Lyon took teams to 3 GFs and was desperately unlucky not to win at least one of them. Plus he was only a few kicks away from a 4th GF.
The could'ves, should'ves and would'ves of football. As a Geelong supporter i can tell you we should have 20 flags by now if that was the case....Ross Lyon's bag of tricks is empty, it was never that full in the first place!It's a superficial view of history to say it was never going to win a flag
He was a toe poke, a bounce, and some first quarter misses from winning 3 flags
Doesn't mean I like his game plan, but it has been very effective for periods
I agree with this. I know I was hardly addicted to StKilda news at the time, but I thought that the Saints (particularly in 2004/05) were an exciting and promising young outfit and I was unsure why Thomas got the sack.Grant Thomas gave players their head. I liked him. Lyons sucks all the flair and creativity out of them.
I think the effort is there they just look completely void of any confidence and I think theyre lost out there. Theyre not sure what the structure is. So I think that can come off like there's not a lot of desperation, but I think they are desperate. Problem is once sides have torn then apart by the end of the 1st qtr the head starts to dip and you can see they know what's going to unfold.Performances give the impression there is more problems than game style. The list looks to have fallen apart without bookends being recruited for a start. There isn't much desperation as well, but getting belted can do that.
Read that totally the wrong way.Grant Thomas gave players their head.
That's my biggest concern - for the first time ever a Lyon coached team is playing worse than the sum of its parts. That's a bad sign.There's plenty of talent in that team. It's really hard to understand how that team can lose by that much.
A few major floggings by some big clubs in Melbourne will probably see the end of Lyons you would think.
Agree with all of that bar your last point, Lyon could arguably get away with being pumped by one of the good teams (rebuilding etc) but the blowtorch will come on if they get rolled by GCS, Brisbane or Carlton.Went to the game yesterday. There was nothing good that can be said about the game yesterday for Fremantle. Lyon I think is out of ideas. The whole set up was just a structureless mess. They have no forward line, their backline is a disaster and their midfield is heavily reliant on too few. This reminds me of Neil Craigs last year. A few major floggings by some big clubs in Melbourne will probably see the end of Lyons you would think.
Agree with all of that bar your last point, Lyon could arguably get away with being pumped by one of the good teams (rebuilding etc) but the blowtorch will come on if they get rolled by GCS, Brisbane or Carlton.