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Head to head dont mean anything. Dawes was also on the outer in 2012 so not top 22.
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Head to head dont mean anything. Dawes was also on the outer in 2012 so not top 22.
I'm sorry, but there's no way in hell 16 + Ibbo would net us a top 5 pick. 
You might as well say 16 + Suban would net us a top 5.
16 + Ibbo wouldn't be a viable trade for anybody, IMO the highest it would move you would be 1-2 spots higher. Teams would be more likely to upgrade our 2nd rd pick or 3rd round substantially for him than anything else.
You might as well say 16 + Suban would net us a top 5.
16 + Ibbo wouldn't be a viable trade for anybody, IMO the highest it would move you would be 1-2 spots higher. Teams would be more likely to upgrade our 2nd rd pick or 3rd round substantially for him than anything else.
I'm sorry, but there's no way in hell 16 + Ibbo would net us a top 5 pick.
You might as well say 16 + Suban would net us a top 5.
16 + Ibbo wouldn't be a viable trade for anybody, IMO the highest it would move you would be 1-2 spots higher. Teams would be more likely to upgrade our 2nd rd pick or 3rd round substantially for him than anything else.
That's all we would probably need. 40 to about 25.
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Yeah, you're probably right - and top 5 pick, well that's probably the insomnia talking
. But, my point is that established top 22 but young players are not keen to go to GWS, but if they were, then I'm sure GWS would pay well for them. If they could have 4-5 reasonable players in the 22-25 age bracket they would be much better setup for the big time in 2015 and beyond. I know GWS have been blowing out the rhetoric, but there is some truth behind what they've said about trading their 1st rounders.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
If you think we would get more than pick 20 then I'm really not sure what to say to you.
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Yer I don't really rate Suban and just list space but probably not really worth it
So many Chicken Littles (the sky is falling, the sky is falling!) in this thread over the last few days. All because we haven't traded (yet) for a KPF. It seems to me that the club did their due diligence on Gumby and decided he wasn't worth chasing, for whatever reason, be it they thought he couldn't sustain the role he needed to play, or that he wouldn't leave Melbourne, or whatever. Hansen never seemed really in the frame, and there has been no trade done for Brown. It may also mean that the list management guys as well as RTB are confident that Zac will take the next step and Kep will play his role.
The FA/Trade period has been going for 3 weeks. Not every club has been involved as yet, and there has been, at a guess 15 or so trades done. IMFO a lot of clubs would have been waiting for the FA period to finish, see what the compo picks are, then will treat next week like the traditional trade week. Just because Freo haven't signed the players that us Big Footy nobodies (I include myself as a BF nobody) deemed necessary, doesn't mean the recruiters are useless, or not doing their jobs. It means they haven't found a player suitable for the clubs needs, or a player that is available.
It would not surprise me at all to see all clubs become more active next week and the usual last minute rush come 2pm next Friday.
The FA/Trade period has been going for 3 weeks. Not every club has been involved as yet, and there has been, at a guess 15 or so trades done. IMFO a lot of clubs would have been waiting for the FA period to finish, see what the compo picks are, then will treat next week like the traditional trade week. Just because Freo haven't signed the players that us Big Footy nobodies (I include myself as a BF nobody) deemed necessary, doesn't mean the recruiters are useless, or not doing their jobs. It means they haven't found a player suitable for the clubs needs, or a player that is available.
It would not surprise me at all to see all clubs become more active next week and the usual last minute rush come 2pm next Friday.
Our picks seem terrible given where we finished on the ladder, pick 17, 40, 60. In years gone by that would have meant premiership. It's going to take some time to revalue later picks. Pick 40ish is commonly going to be a clubs 2nd best pick these days.
West Coast have 41, 61, 62 (Lost pick 18 for Wellingham)
Hawks have 28, 65, 66 (traded away 21 and 44 for Lake and got 28 in return)
Sydney 23, 45, 67 (yet to trade)
They are some god awful picks given.
Collingwood are the outliers, cleverly trading with West Coast and Melbourne to move out two players and replace with two similar 'free agents'. Now they have 18, 19, 21, 42, 48, 82.
I dont think they are done with trading yet, pick 42 and 48 will most likely net them Pederson/Martin/Roberton, depending on who they value most.
West Coast have 41, 61, 62 (Lost pick 18 for Wellingham)
Hawks have 28, 65, 66 (traded away 21 and 44 for Lake and got 28 in return)
Sydney 23, 45, 67 (yet to trade)
They are some god awful picks given.
Collingwood are the outliers, cleverly trading with West Coast and Melbourne to move out two players and replace with two similar 'free agents'. Now they have 18, 19, 21, 42, 48, 82.
I dont think they are done with trading yet, pick 42 and 48 will most likely net them Pederson/Martin/Roberton, depending on who they value most.
Spose essentially he's not worth 30 maybe not as high as 20 but closer to 20 than 30.
Mitch Clark sure as shit would have been nice, what a **** up that was
Yeah and a lot of them are in the market for talls. Chances of Jacksch, Shaw and Stringer lasting to our pick are small IMO.
Hence most likely option is a highly skilled flanker.
Clark would have been nice yes, but it wasn't a ****-up on Freo's behalf. He had committed to the club, then Schwabb pulled a Schwabb and paid too much for him and he took it. What would you prefer, Freo standing up and not being shafted like the bad old days, or copping the high hard one everytime the club sat down at the trade table because players and other clubs saw us as weak? I know which one I would take, and it is not 90's Freo.
It is 12mths ago anyway. Move on.
I would prefer having the perfect CHF to play with Pav and being a huge chance at a premiership
Disagree with that.
Brisbane wanted our Palmer compensation (Pick 20 - Crozier) and Pick 16 (Sheridan) in the early trade period. We may have got them to agree to pick 16 if we'd moved faster therefore losing Sheridan for Clark which seems fine until you consider the flow on effects:
1) No way Jon Griffin signs on for a further 2 years if Mitch Clark is around. We would have lost him for massive unders this trade period. Potentially to Geelong for pick 38 which they traded for Hamish McIntosh.
2) Salary cap space - We would have not been in a position to acquire Danyle Pearce
Had we made the Mitch Clark trade:
Net loss:
Pick 16 - Tom Sheridan
Jon Griffin
Danyle Pearce
Net Gain:
Mitch Clark
Pick 38
I know which i prefer.
Why is missing out on Clark bad. He would of cost a lot of picks salary cap and is injury prone.
Move on... and Clark is not the perfect CHF.
You're speculating a hell of a lot in there, but it doesn't matter. Mitch Clark is by far the best player/asset out of that which is all that really matters. If we have him, we would have claims on the best forward line in the competition.
So would I, but Buddy isn't available, and never will be.
Clark is a ruckman who plays forward. hardly "the perfect CHF"!
Like I said, this isn't 90's Freo, they don't sell the farm to bend over and cop one everytime a target player demands too much $$$ or the trading club demands too much in trades. Pay what a player is worth and have faith in the list, the list managers (who know more about players than every one of us combined) and the coaching staff (which is the best the club have ever had.)
Which bit seems unreasonable speculation?
1) We should have got Clark for pick 16 - seems the most likely trade outcome had we got him
2) Jon Griffin wouldn't have stayed - very likely
3) Geelong would have been Griffin's best suitor - again very likely
4) Couldn't afford Pearce due to salary cap - maybe, maybe not, we certainly couldn't have chased Goddard
Maybe it's just me but I think all these people on BF are jumping the gun a bit about what a master stroke it was for Melbourne the get Clark was and how we missed an opportunity, sure he was good and played a lot better up forward than many he thought but it's still only 11 games for 29 goals. Walters kicked 22 for us in 10 games this year, wait a couple of years, he's also had his fair share of injuries unfortunately.
Would you really want/need Griffin if we had Clark anyway? Even if we couldn't have gotten Pearce, it wouldn't be a huge loss, and I am happy we got Pearce.
If this off-season has shown anything, it is how hard it is to get decent key forwards to change clubs. Especially when it means moving to WA. Clark is athletic, 6'7 with excellent hands. This was the first season he was played primarily as a key forward and he was on track for 60 goals. Him with Pavlich, Mayne the third tall with Ballantyne and Walters crumbing = premierships.
There are at least seven Key position players available, I dont think we will miss out, and one will slide. It all depends if BF posters are going to be upset with a key defender first.
Most players these days can play several positions ie Hurley.
Most players these days can play several positions ie Hurley.
