Fringe Hawks could make their mark..

[Dragz]

One of the keys to an AFL premiership team maintaining their success is the group of players just outside the best 22. Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson points out that the club's premiership dynasty through the 1970s and '80s developed a production line of players who had to bide their time.
Anthony Condon, Ray Jencke, James Morrissey and Dean Anderson steadily developed at the Hawks' Glenferrie nest before becoming premiership players.

The rest is at
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/hawthorns-new-ambitions/2009/03/09/1236447095555.html

Something vaguely positive for a change?

 

[Gary Shadforth]

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Thanks for that, Dragz.

 

[carntheroos4eva]

Top effort Dragz

 

[Roger Rogerson]

Interesting that they have picked Morton as the "in" replacing Crawf in our best side.

Just goes to show that we do have some depth as Tuck, McGlynn, Stokes, Murphy and others to a lesser extent are all deserved of that spot as well.

Am excited about what 2009 will throw at us in terms of some of our youngsters. Very keen to get down to Box Hill to see if we have got any youngsters who can step straight in and demand a spot in the seniors. We need this if we are to stay ahead of the pack. Am hoping Kiel might be one given his strong build. Schoenmakers looks good enough as well based on first impressions.

 

[noosa hawk mad]

A great Read cheers champ Clarko still throwing up the Frankin could play on the wing ala Richo Clarkos Furthys he he!

Buddy Must stay forward simple you don't put a guy up the ground when he had over 200 shots on goal with Roughead dropping 7kgs over preseason & looking on song our Forward line must be the strongest by a mile compared to all other teams would hate to be a coach planning against our Forward Line!

 

[Rowie09]

Our depth is underated imo.

Morton, McGlynn, Tuck, Murphy, Taylor, Bailey, Muston, Schoenmakers, Moss, Dowler, Thorp, Lisle, Stokes.

Thats a hell of a lot of talent right there. Lets just hope they develop into regular players, especially the likes of Dowler, Thorp and Muston.

In reality, we really should be set up quite nicely for the next 5 or 6 years.

 

[Dragz]

The issue over the year (And forthcoming years) is to bring a trickle of that Talent into the team at a time, whilst keeping players at the club who could forge a career elsewhere. People management is going to be a huge investment for our club over the next 5-8 years.

If we can ease 2-3 guys into the side early in the year to give them 4-5 games, then those players will blossom with the experience.

What are peoples opinions on who will take Crawf's position? Tuck and Morton for mine would be the obvious ones.

 

[noosa hawk mad]

The issue over the year (And forthcoming years) is to bring a trickle of that Talent into the team at a time, whilst keeping players at the club who could forge a career elsewhere. People management is going to be a huge investment for our club over the next 5-8 years.

If we can ease 2-3 guys into the side early in the year to give them 4-5 games, then those players will blossom with the experience.

What are peoples opinions on who will take Crawf's position? Tuck and Morton for mine would be the obvious ones.

Tuck has stood out during the NAB CUP games & will be a Crawfs replacement has a appetite for the contest that Clarko loves will be a big year in 2009 for Tucky!

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Our depth is underated imo.

Morton, McGlynn, Tuck, Murphy, Taylor, Bailey, Muston, Schoenmakers, Moss, Dowler, Thorp, Lisle, Stokes.

Thats a hell of a lot of talent right there. Lets just hope they develop into regular players, especially the likes of Dowler, Thorp and Muston.

In reality, we really should be set up quite nicely for the next 5 or 6 years.

I think most supporters over-value the quality of their club's depth.

In reality, the jury is out on whether Musto or Bailey will even play AFL footy due to injury, Moss is on a rookie list so in ineligible this year, we've not seen Lisle or Savage even kick a ball in a game and Dowler (drastically) and to a lesser degree Thorp have under-whelmed during the pre-season. Add to that Boyle who is still suffering from injury and Lowden who is a project player and several years away, suggests to me our depth is only ok.

For mine, we have good midfield and medium flanker depth in players like Stokes, Kennedy, McGlynn, Tuck, Morton, Whitecross and Murphy. However, our KPP depth is only ok and our ruck depth poor.

 

[RogerC]

I think most supporters over-value the quality of their club's depth.

In reality, the jury is out on whether Musto or Bailey will even play AFL footy due to injury, Moss is on a rookie list so in ineligible this year, we've not seen Lisle or Savage even kick a ball in a game and Dowler (drastically) and to a lesser degree Thorp have under-whelmed during the pre-season. Add to that Boyle who is still suffering from injury and Lowden who is a project player and several years away, suggests to me our depth is only ok.

For mine, we have good midfield and medium flanker depth in players like Stokes, Kennedy, McGlynn, Tuck, Morton, Whitecross and Murphy. However, our KPP depth is only ok and our ruck depth poor.

There's some truth in that. There must be a concern about both Muston and Bailey. Bailey has once again missed out on a pre-season, and Muston's was interrupted. That means one more year where they can't play to potential.

I don't think our ruck stocks are that badly off. We have three this year who are AFL-ready, in Campbell, Taylor and Renouf. Tim Walsh is a rookie, but he's looked very good at Box Hill, and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him promoted at the end of the year. And with Lowden developing as well, we should be all right even if Bailey doesn't get his body right.

I have us at about 29 AFL-ready players - the 21 left from last year's Grand Final, plus the three emergencies (Taylor, Murphy, Stokes if I'm not mistaken), plus McGlynn, Morton, Kennedy, Tuck and Boyle. All of them have had a bit of time in the real stuff. I'd be hoping to see Thorp, Whitecross and possibly Schoenmakers make the step from potential players to fringe players this year. That'll do me. If any others (Dowler, Bailey, Muston, Moss if we can promote him) manage any games at all I'd consider that a big bonus.

 

[ONWARDS 09]

There's some truth in that. There must be a concern about both Muston and Bailey. Bailey has once again missed out on a pre-season, and Muston's was interrupted. That means one more year where they can't play to potential.

I don't think our ruck stocks are that badly off. We have three this year who are AFL-ready, in Campbell, Taylor and Renouf. Tim Walsh is a rookie, but he's looked very good at Box Hill, and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him promoted at the end of the year. And with Lowden developing as well, we should be all right even if Bailey doesn't get his body right.

I have us at about 29 AFL-ready players - the 21 left from last year's Grand Final, plus the three emergencies (Taylor, Murphy, Stokes if I'm not mistaken), plus McGlynn, Morton, Kennedy, Tuck and Boyle. All of them have had a bit of time in the real stuff. I'd be hoping to see Thorp, Whitecross and possibly Schoenmakers make the step from potential players to fringe players this year. That'll do me. If any others (Dowler, Bailey, Muston, Moss if we can promote him) manage any games at all I'd consider that a big bonus.

Great call! For mine i believe Renouf, Murphy, Stokes, Tuck and Morton will be the big movers for us in 09. Starting to have serious doubts on the impact Dowler and Thorp may have..

 

[Easy Slips Catch]

Our depth is underated imo.....Morton, McGlynn, Tuck, Murphy, Taylor, Bailey, Muston, Schoenmakers, Moss, Dowler, Thorp, Lisle, Stokes....

No one on that list really excites me.

Tucky is hard at it but can burn the footy. If you are going to get a lot of the ball - and he can- he needs to be better.

Morto - Needs to find more of the ball and start using his height.

Murph - a good honest journeyman - not much more.

Bails & Musto - doubt they will recover.

Dowler - Nuh.

Moss & BMac - Cant kick, are genuinely good at finding it, but neither are remarkable.

Stokes - I like. Has a good head.

Schoey & Lisle way too early

Kennedy - Nuh

Forp - Dunno. I dunno why he has not shown more.

Murph, Moss, BMac, Tails will only ever be fringe players. You need them but I dont think our recruiting has been as flash as what we say it has been.

 

[hawks_time]

Jesus Friar, they're only young and inexperienced. People take time to develop, you can't draft ready-for-AFL people in every draft!

 

[Rowie09]

No one on that list really excites me.

Tucky is hard at it but can burn the footy. If you are going to get a lot of the ball - and he can- he needs to be better.

Morto - Needs to find more of the ball and start using his height.

Murph - a good honest journeyman - not much more.

Bails & Musto - doubt they will recover.

Dowler - Nuh.

Moss & BMac - Cant kick, are genuinely good at finding it, but neither are remarkable.

Stokes - I like. Has a good head.

Schoey & Lisle way too early

Kennedy - Nuh

Forp - Dunno. I dunno why he has not shown more.

Murph, Moss, BMac, Tails will only ever be fringe players. You need them but I dont think our recruiting has been as flash as what we say it has been.

Rough analysis tbh mate. Morton needs to find more of the footy? He has averaged 18 disposals in his 8 games, including a run of 24, 33 (In a losing side) and 19 mid-last year.

 

[Easy Slips Catch]

Harsh but fair HT. Of our untried I rate Sucko. Not sure if he is tough enough in body and spirit but I like the way he goes about it.

I like Walsh. Given that the new age ruck is about 2 and a half metres he may be a little small.

Of the rest Stoker, will be in in my 18 to 22 on the list. I like him but he is not going to be a Johnny Platten.

Musto and Forp have the potential to be stars. I just dont see it with the rest.

 

[Consumed]

The Friar is partly right. Our depth isn't bad, but if most of those players had to step up and play each week, Hawthorn would struggle to stay in the top 8.
It is only our best 22 which keeps us in the top 4.

 

[hawks_time]

The Friar is partly right. Our depth isn't bad, but if most of those players had to step up and play each week, Hawthorn would struggle to stay in the top 8.
It is only our best 22 which keeps us in the top 4.

Yes, as evidenced in the early Clarkson years, but as has been proven once those kids get game time they can in fact play good football

 

[Henry Jr]

Friar is right in saying that most of the ones named won't be world beaters, however, they all have a role to play within the team for us to stay sucessful.

Be interesting to go thru the other Top 4 sides and look at their reserves so to speak to see how they stack up against ours.

Like the old saying goes, its not your best players that win you a premiership, its the quality of your 22nd player that will get you across the line - none more evident that in the GF last year.

 

[Roughouse]

You know it's amazing people don't learn from History.

Gary Ayers during his younger days before he broke into the seniors regularly suffered from soft tissue injuries. Many said he wasn't up to it but thankfully someone at the club took no notice of that advice!

Of todays iunjured crop I would rate Muston who, if he can get fit (and that's a big "if") will forge a better than average AFL career.

Todays fringe players may well go on to bigger and better things. Just look at the recent advances of guys like Ozzie, Big Bob, Sewell and Young. Who would have thought even three years ago these guys would have had the impact they have. Personally I think Stokes, Murphy,McGlynn and Tuck will play plenty of games in the seniors this year, but the jury is out on Morton, Dowler and Thorp.

Its a given that many will not cut it, but history tells us that a few will surprise.

 

[Goldhawk]

Has anyone heard how Ryan Schoenmakers is going? i haven't heard a lot at all besides playing in the first NAB cup game and thats was a bit tame.

 

[Matt Murder]

Tucky looks almost up to it. Starting 22 round 1.

Morts may be lacking a bit of confidence , he's a great overhead mark but seems to not be attacking it enough. Bench or First emergency round 1.

Stokesy is thereabouts. Should be in the starting 22 for the first few rounds at least.

McGlynn if he didn't burn possession would be a starter.

Thorp or Dowler may get a spot due to necessity.

Murphy a definate starter. Fights above his weight.

K3 has great hands in close but may be a couple of yards too slow.

Would like to see Moss get promoted , former WA u/18 captain , has a good footy brain but got to work a bit on the foot skills.

 

[Easy Slips Catch]

Rough analysis tbh mate. Morton needs to find more of the footy? He has averaged 18 disposals in his 8 games, including a run of 24, 33 (In a losing side) and 19 mid-last year.

I rated Morto through the roof last pre-season. I know it's only the NAB cup but I thought I would see noticable improvement. I'd play him down back. We will be undersized and he has the leap and the legs to be the third man assisting.

Most of the rest would walk into many teams. I am not saying they are duds. I am just not convinced that any of our fringe players will force out a current player.

 

[markr]

A kid like Morton is 4-5 years younger than someone like Sewell. How was Sewell looking 5 years ago? He's arguably the best midfielder in the premiership side at the moment.