Future draft picks trading

[HBFlanker]

This has been ticked off today.

I think with the state of our list, we are in a position to really shake things up.

Being realistic 2016 will be the last year for Harvey and Petrie, and most likely Wells. We could throw a huge spanner in the works.

What if we floated our first round pick this year . So for example if we went to the Western Bulldogs and said you can have our 2015 first round pick for your 2016 first round pick, this would put us in a fantastic position to cover our departing champions. we would need a club to be super keen on this draft class though.

Losing Petrie, Harvey and Wells and walking in to a draft having picks 10, 15 and 30 in that draft.

 

[astrovic]

Trading in futures? I like the sound of that.

 

[Envelopes]

Not sure how it works but alot of sport make sure you include a player somewhere.

I would also look for a team thinking they can have one last shot before droping. Not one on the way up.

Not really sure who you would target, Freo? Port? Tigers? Us? Bombers?

Plus with all the outs in the couple of years we would want as many picks as we can get in the next couple of drafts.

If we could get this years and next years first for a player that would be helpful.

 

[Rooboy 96]

This has been ticked off today.

I think with the state of our list, we are in a position to really shake things up.

Being realistic 2016 will be the last year for Harvey and Petrie, and most likely Wells. We could throw a huge spanner in the works.

What if we floated our first round pick this year . So for example if we went to the Western Bulldogs and said you can have our 2015 first round pick for your 2016 first round pick, this would put us in a fantastic position to cover our departing champions. we would need a club to be super keen on this draft class though.

Losing Petrie, Harvey and Wells and walking in to a draft having picks 10, 15 and 30 in that draft.

and we all know the Doggies will be one year wonders, so who knows how far they could fall in 2016 without their easy draw, I like the sound of your idea.

 

[KangaRooster]

I would also look for a team thinking they can have one last shot before droping. Not one on the way up.

That could quite possibly be us, hopefully not.

I'm not massive on cross-sport analogies but since the practice of trading future draft picks has been directly lifted from the States, I'll run with it.

In the summer of 2013, the Brooklyn Nets thought that with their core group of solid to very good players, they were a major trade away from becoming serious title contenders.

Boston Celtics GM - Danny ("trader") Ainge, saw this rediculous mentality and pounced. He traded Paul Pierce (16 year Celtic veteran and team captain), Kevin Garnett (perennial all star and soul of the team) and Jason Terry to the Nets. In exchange, Brooklyn traded away their future.

The Nets gave up
● 2014 1st round draft pick
● 2016 1st round draft pick (unprotected)
● 2017 - right to swap 1st round draft positions
● 2018 1st round draft pick (unprotected)
(And plenty more but that's not what we're here for)

The Nets were knocked out of the first round of the 2014 playoffs by the Miami Heat.
Paul, KG and Jet have all since left Brooklyn for greener pastures, and the Nets are a shambles of a franchise with literally nothing on the horizon.

As a Celtic fan I salivate at the thought of the Nets competing for the wooden spoon for the next few years, and the picks they sent us hopefully landing in the lottery while the C's are in the playoffs and remaining a viable free agent destination.

Imagine that for a second, NMFC made a prelim last year and had pick 16 in the draft (Durdin) - what if we had pick 16 AND pick 3 or 4 from the Saints or whoever. If you do this properly, you're basically unstoppable, if you don't, here's a long piece of rope.

As a NMFC supporter, I pray that we have a football department capable of handling this minefield - and if we're lucky, using it to our advantage.

Tl;dr - please please let North be good at this.

 

[Egga]

Nice example and exactly the reason I think it was dumb for the AFL to allow trading of future draft picks. Trading future picks allows clubs to dig themselves into too big a hole. Can you imagine how badly Voss would have screwed Brisbane if he was able to trade away future picks as well as current ones? Brisbane are already asking the AFL for a priority pick!

 

[TwentyNine]

That could quite possibly be us, hopefully not.

I'm not massive on cross-sport analogies but since the practice of trading future draft picks has been directly lifted from the States, I'll run with it.

In the summer of 2013, the Brooklyn Nets thought that with their core group of solid to very good players, they were a major trade away from becoming serious title contenders.

Boston Celtics GM - Danny ("trader") Ainge, saw this rediculous mentality and pounced. He traded Paul Pierce (16 year Celtic veteran and team captain), Kevin Garnett (perennial all star and soul of the team) and Jason Terry to the Nets. In exchange, Brooklyn traded away their future.

The Nets gave up
● 2014 1st round draft pick
● 2016 1st round draft pick (unprotected)
● 2017 - right to swap 1st round draft positions
● 2018 1st round draft pick (unprotected)
(And plenty more but that's not what we're here for)

The Nets were knocked out of the first round of the 2014 playoffs by the Miami Heat.
Paul, KG and Jet have all since left Brooklyn for greener pastures, and the Nets are a shambles of a franchise with literally nothing on the horizon.

As a Celtic fan I salivate at the thought of the Nets competing for the wooden spoon for the next few years, and the picks they sent us hopefully landing in the lottery while the C's are in the playoffs and remaining a viable free agent destination.

Imagine that for a second, NMFC made a prelim last year and had pick 16 in the draft (Durdin) - what if we had pick 16 AND pick 3 or 4 from the Saints or whoever. If you do this properly, you're basically unstoppable, if you don't, here's a long piece of rope.

As a NMFC supporter, I pray that we have a football department capable of handling this minefield - and if we're lucky, using it to our advantage.

Tl;dr - please please let North be good at this.

It will only be available a year in advance so there's much less chance of teams screwing themselves over this way.

North I think will be fine, we've not really been irresponsible with our trading in recent years. Have always set ourselves a price we are willing to pay for a player and stuck to it - ala Ben Jacobs in 2012 for example, Port insisted on first round pick and we did not bend. Football department's motto for a long time now has been about building longterm, sustainable success, so I don't see us putting all our eggs in one basket by trading future picks for magic beans.

The only thing I would criticise with our trading lately really is that we let our own players go too cheaply, and should hold out for a little more. Hopefully having future picks available as an option will allow us to get a little more value when/if player ask to leave the club.

On second thoughts, let's sell the house for Liam Jones

 

[HBFlanker]

You can only trade one year in advance at this stage to protect the crazy vossys of the world. Or Carlton.

 

[Only Forwards]

You can only trade one year in advance at this stage to protect the crazy vossys of the world. Or Carlton.

I fear Brad going a bit Crazy Vossy at the end of this year.

 

[HBFlanker]

I fear Brad going a bit Crazy Vossy at the end of this year.

me too. Now more than ever we need to be strategic in our approach, considering how many of our stars are nearing the end

 

[roosmad]

It was stated that each afl team must ensure that they have two first round picks every four year period..by imposing this the afl are trying to ensure A no team takes advantage ahead of another B no team is destroying its future as stated above with the basketball example.

 

[shintemaster]

It will only be available a year in advance so there's much less chance of teams screwing themselves over this way.

North I think will be fine, we've not really been irresponsible with our trading in recent years. Have always set ourselves a price we are willing to pay for a player and stuck to it - ala Ben Jacobs in 2012 for example, Port insisted on first round pick and we did not bend. Football department's motto for a long time now has been about building longterm, sustainable success, so I don't see us putting all our eggs in one basket by trading future picks for magic beans.

The only thing I would criticise with our trading lately really is that we let our own players go too cheaply, and should hold out for a little more. Hopefully having future picks available as an option will allow us to get a little more value when/if player ask to leave the club.

On second thoughts, let's sell the house for Liam Jones

I get ya but surely you see the irony in your two examples.

 

[Orange Peanut]

That could quite possibly be us, hopefully not.

I'm not massive on cross-sport analogies but since the practice of trading future draft picks has been directly lifted from the States, I'll run with it.

In the summer of 2013, the Brooklyn Nets thought that with their core group of solid to very good players, they were a major trade away from becoming serious title contenders.

Boston Celtics GM - Danny ("trader") Ainge, saw this rediculous mentality and pounced. He traded Paul Pierce (16 year Celtic veteran and team captain), Kevin Garnett (perennial all star and soul of the team) and Jason Terry to the Nets. In exchange, Brooklyn traded away their future.

The Nets gave up
● 2014 1st round draft pick
● 2016 1st round draft pick (unprotected)
● 2017 - right to swap 1st round draft positions
● 2018 1st round draft pick (unprotected)
(And plenty more but that's not what we're here for)

The Nets were knocked out of the first round of the 2014 playoffs by the Miami Heat.
Paul, KG and Jet have all since left Brooklyn for greener pastures, and the Nets are a shambles of a franchise with literally nothing on the horizon.

As a Celtic fan I salivate at the thought of the Nets competing for the wooden spoon for the next few years, and the picks they sent us hopefully landing in the lottery while the C's are in the playoffs and remaining a viable free agent destination.

Imagine that for a second, NMFC made a prelim last year and had pick 16 in the draft (Durdin) - what if we had pick 16 AND pick 3 or 4 from the Saints or whoever. If you do this properly, you're basically unstoppable, if you don't, here's a long piece of rope.

As a NMFC supporter, I pray that we have a football department capable of handling this minefield - and if we're lucky, using it to our advantage.

Tl;dr - please please let North be good at this.

As a Nets fan, get ****ed

 

[KangaRooster]

As a Nets fan, get stuffed

Hahahaha sorry mate! Prokerov really sold you down the river with that one though, and hey, at least you aren't the Knicks!!

 

[King Corey]

and we all know the Doggies will be one year wonders, so who knows how far they could fall in 2016 without their easy draw, I like the sound of your idea.

RB96 you're a good bloke but the last team you trolled ended up winning 3 flags in the next 7 years so please withhold your kiss of death unless it's directed right back at North.

 

[Rooboy 96]

RB96 you're a good bloke but the last team you trolled ended up winning 3 flags in the next 7 years so please withhold your kiss of death unless it's directed right back at North.

maybe I should heed your advice, but knowing me I doubt I will.

 

[Arthur Cloke]

Just means Nifty Nev can weave more of his magic.

 

[Donkey Chop]

I'd give up this years first round & next years first round for Treloar in a heartbeat. Don't know if it would get it done though.

 

[Envelopes]

it at least puts us in the ball park

 

[Donkey Chop]

It would get tricky if a club had a potential farher son coming through in two years.
What happens if you trade your future first round pick and don't have enough currency left to make up the points to pick them up?
There would need to be a lot of thought put into what it could end up costing.

Although draft picks, even top 10 ones, are a bit of a lottery anyway, so I'd be happy to trade them for a player in the 20-26 age bracket. At least you have a good sample size of what you're going to get

 

[ozzyoslo]

It would get tricky if a club had a potential farher son coming through in two years.
What happens if you trade your future first round pick and don't have enough currency left to make up the points to pick them up?
There would need to be a lot of thought put into what it could end up costing.

Although draft picks, even top 10 ones, are a bit of a lottery anyway, so I'd be happy to trade them for a player in the 20-26 age bracket. At least you have a good sample size of what you're going to get

You pick up the father/son on the clubs 1st pick.....In the 2nd round.;

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[Sugar2Sideshow]

You pick up the father/son on the clubs 1st pick.....In the 2nd round.;

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Exactly, when we were getting lmac I was wishing there was a way for us to trade away our first pick for something just so that we could grab him with our second pick.

 

[Donkey Chop]

You pick up the father/son on the clubs 1st pick.....In the 2nd round.;

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The system has changed, it's now on points.

Eg Said player gets rated at 200 points (I have no idea of how they work out how much a first round pick is worth). Assuming pick 1 is worth 250 and then it works its way back as you get deeper in the draft, the picks late in the draft would be worth bugger all.

If a club has traded away their first round pick, it would leave them with their second round and onwards. Say the second rounder is worth 100, they still need to make up the rest but a third rounder would be worth even less. It's an awkward position but clubs would hopefully be smart enough to work their way through that.

Once again, I have no idea how much each pick is worth (and please someone correct me if I'm wrong) but that's about the gist of it

 

[shiraz]

I hope the list management crew have put some time into how things will look with trading two years in advance coming in next year. We are in a unique situation to exploit this and should be making the most of it.

Naturally, at this time of year, there is a focus on the draft. We have been bad for way too long and fans are desperate for success, not to mention the importance of more wins to secure the signatures of LDU and others.

However, from a strategic point of view, we are in a uniquly placed to improve our lot with the introduction of the new rule. We have already acquired a mass of young talent which is yet to develop.

When two year trading comes in next year, the competition to buy top 10 picks will heat up as everyone will have more liquidity. Part of the value of a top ten pick is their expected career output, which won't change, but part of the value is getting ahead of your immediate competitors. Particularly next year, clubs and supportors may view it as a unique opportunity to get ahead of the rest by flogging off assets two years into the future. These will be being sold at a significant discount. I think we should be manouvering to buy these up next year in this draft.

After the first year, the positions of clubs will be comparatively stationary. Teams that traded away a future will be at -1 pick, either needing to trade one back in, or forgoing a pick. Teams that accrued a pick will be able to trade another to the future or take the extra. I expect that every time a club trades a pick into the future, they'll get extra value, as other clubs who previously sold assests into the future will regularly be desperate to bring assets forward.

The way we take advantage of this is to get several picks two years into the future, and try to act as bank going forward, offering the picks at inflated prices to teams wanting to get back in. The reason that we are uniquely placed to do this is because over the last five years we have just banked a large volume of high value talent, including 5 picks last year. Other teams won't be able to stay competitive without taking their picks every year. There's a ton of profit to be made by being the bank and our extended visit to the bottom of the ladder timing perfectly with the introduction of 2 year pick trading has given us a very unique opportunity.

If we are going to adopt this strategy, it's imperative that we don't trade f1 this year.

One of the great benefits to whichever teams end up playing the banker role is that it's hard to predict where a team will be in two years time. For the banker, however, the potential gains from holding another team's FF1 who unexpectedly drop to bottom 4 is MUCH greater than the potential losses from holding another team's FF1 who unexpectedly goes top 4. The difference in value between pick 2 and 10 is much larger than the value difference between pick 17 and 10. So there is really a lot of value on the table for teams that can afford to delay picks for a few years. It could be us.

 

[Passmore]

This has been ticked off today.

I think with the state of our list, we are in a position to really shake things up.

Being realistic 2016 will be the last year for Harvey and Petrie, and most likely Wells. We could throw a huge spanner in the works.

What if we floated our first round pick this year . So for example if we went to the Western Bulldogs and said you can have our 2015 first round pick for your 2016 first round pick, this would put us in a fantastic position to cover our departing champions. we would need a club to be super keen on this draft class though.

Losing Petrie, Harvey and Wells and walking in to a draft having picks 10, 15 and 30 in that draft.

You weren’t wrong on Petrie and Harvey….