Future Magpies Watch '11-12

[blaze036]

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could be our version of messi.. anyone else up for giving him growth hormones?

 

[Dundalis]

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Nice!!

Blistering pace, obviously! He doesn't look like he'll ever tower over anyone, might reach 175 if he's lucky but that doesn't matter - he doesn't play tall anyway and I suspect he realises that. Has amazing awareness, loved watching him step through traffic - almost Pendles like, just at a higher speed, a much higher speed. Didn't see enough to get a good guage of his play-reading abilities but seemed to be good enough there and definitely knew where to kick it to. Having said that though, kicking action could be better. No biggie, when he fills out his boots he'll have that sorted out (especially under Collingwood's guidance).

Definitely someone to keep an eye on, that's for sure! What is he now, 15, 16?

More like Krakouer with pace. He moves just like him, and seems to rove the spillage in a similar fashion.

 

[Jelly Bean]

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More like Krakouer with pace. He moves just like him, and seems to rove the spillage in a similar fashion.

Yeah - he certainly seems to be more of a Krakouer / Betts type.

 

[Ricky90]

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More like Krakouer with pace. He moves just like him, and seems to rove the spillage in a similar fashion.

Fair call and definitely faster than most other movers.

My original call of Pendles was after one particular bit in that highlights package. Can't recall whereabouts in the video cos I'm at work (no youtube) but he gathered the ball in traffic, created his own space with some short lateral steps. All while obviously summing up his best option and then executing what needed to be done to get the ball to where it needed to be, via a short burst of speed. It was seriously Pendles-esque but faster.

Overall though, definitely more Kraks like. Good call!

 

[mattys123]

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Yeah - he certainly seems to be more of a Krakouer / Betts type.

Wash your mouth out, if he is like Betts, we may as well give up now and don't worry about him.

Betts has never, and will never play midfield in his life, at any level, while the likes of Krak, Rioli, Davis etc have played both forward and mid (and in Leon's case half back).

No Eddie Betts comparisons please, he's a permanent, stay at home small forward, that's all he ever has been, and ever will be, and the fact the likes of Garlett, Walker and Yarran have gone straight past him says it all.

The days of permanent small forwards is coming to an end IMO, you need to be able to play numerous roles, especially with the influence of the sub rule now, and it seems that is what Edwards is being taught.

By the way, how good is that second last highlight on the tape;

Gets the ball off the tap, gets tackled, handballs out in front, runs on, takes a bounce, runs inside 50 and goals.

I almost don't want to say it but it was like a mini NicNat goal.

 

[the woodsmen2010]

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Im with u mattys, looks raw but a couple of years at the club should do wonders...

If he bursts out of packs like that in the afl he will be an absolute gun!!

 

[TradeDraft]

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Im with u mattys, looks raw but a couple of years at the club should do wonders...

If he bursts out of packs like that in the afl he will be an absolute gun!!

Just look how Much Witts Improved spending a Full Year with the Club this season

 

[TradeDraft]

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By the way, how good is that second last highlight on the tape;

Gets the ball off the tap, gets tackled, handballs out in front, runs on, takes a bounce, runs inside 50 and goals.

I almost don't want to say it but it was like a mini NicNat goal.

The Competion would not been Fantastic though

 

[Ricky90]

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The Competion would not been Fantastic though

That doesn't matter.

The kid is playing at twice the speed of the game and showing enough promise with his skill set to take his game to a good, rounded level.

Don't want to make any outlandish predictions but he could be something very, very special.

 

[Number 10]

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The Competion would not been Fantastic though

Just look how Much Witts Improved spending a Full Year with the Club this season

Answered ur own question

 

[JOELY]

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[TradeDraft]

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WOW That is the Giant and the Midget

 

[Number 10]

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Looks like a scene from Lord of the Rings

 

[TradeDraft]

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Anyone Heard how Jackson Startevitch is been going?

 

[Quicky]

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It's off season. Everyones focus is on the list and the draft and trade period. Elijah Edwards has been getting a bit of a mention. He would certainly add some flair to our side if he continues developing. I believe he's available to draft in 2013 which is the last year of the NSW scholarship program. I'm just wondering if anyone knows what his height is now?

 

[jackcass]

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Lots of discussion about Witts and Hartley but what about the other 2 guys we have as NSW rookie listed players who are eligible for this years draft, Carracher and Yakimov (spelling?). Have we let them go? Are they still tied to us for next year if we don't take them this year? I thought both were showing promise but they seem to have dropped off the radar.

 

[DermiesLuvChild]

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Lots of discussion about Witts and Hartley but what about the other 2 guys we have as NSW rookie listed players who are eligible for this years draft, Carracher and Yakimov (spelling?). Have we let them go? Are they still tied to us for next year if we don't take them this year? I thought both were showing promise but they seem to have dropped off the radar.

Didnt Carracher cop an injury early this year (knee) which ruined his 2011 (was going to play VFL this year). I guess he will stay with us next year (on NSW scholarship list).

 

[Berankis]

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Where is Seedsman at ??

 

[TradeDraft]

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Where is Seedsman at ??

on the Senior List and could Debut Next Season

 

[Quicky]

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Didnt Carracher cop an injury early this year (knee) which ruined his 2011 (was going to play VFL this year). I guess he will stay with us next year (on NSW scholarship list).

I think it was rumoured he was going to play VFL this season. I'm not sure whether the club confirmed it or not. But it never eventuated with no news as to why.

Yakimov I believe ended his scholarship from memory. The info is in this thread somewhere.

 

[TradeDraft]

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I think it was rumoured he was going to play VFL this season. I'm not sure whether the club confirmed it or not. But it never eventuated with no news as to why.

Yakimov I believe ended his scholarship from memory. The info is in this thread somewhere.

Tyson Charracher was in our Team Picture at Season Start and even played in the Intra-Club Match then he Got Injured and they Brought Witts in to take his place.

Never new Yakimov ended the Scholarship

 

[TradeDraft]

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Here is Quigley's Thought on Hartley and Witts:

Bloody Collingwood

Jarrod Witts
DOB 13/10/92 Ht 207 Wt 113

Witts has the Collingwood fans all a-tingle with excitement and as per usual they are overrating their own (admittedly they are not alone in having that failing). I have watched a bit of him on tape and live against Vic Metro and if you gave me a choice after the Metro game I would have taken Cope who is marginal as whether he will be selected or not. I thought Witts got gifted with a lot of taps in that game that could easily have gone to Cope who I think had the cleaner ruck work and moved better around the ground.

That is not to say there is not a lot of potential in Witts as there is. He is a massive man being both very tall (even for a ruck) and very solidly built. If anything I would like to see him trim down a bit as this could help him get around the ground better and cause less wear and tear on his body. At the Champs he had his knee heavily strapped and he did seem to favour it. The strapping was gone in later VFL games so maybe it was nothing but it is those kinds of joint injuries that could plague a player of his size. It is worth noting that he also missed all of 2010 with stress fractures in his back.

One area of his game which is exceptional for a ruckman is his handballing in the contest. He is fairly clean below his knees and when he gets the ball he makes excellent handball decisions. He is patient, does not panic when he is in the grasp of a tackler, frees his arms well, maintains balance with his strength, evaluates the situation quickly and then executes the handball very well. This really is a feature of his game and is something which he does too regularly to be considered a fluke.

Whilst his handballing is excellent his kicking is a bit hit and miss. He is a left footer who can use his right. He usually tries to kick within himself and does not have much in the way of penetration that I have seen. His drop can get away from him at times and his kicking style look awkward. At other times there seems nothing wrong with it. Kicking for goal he seems to have a comfortable approach for his set shot. With his height he gets a fair few marks but rarely gets off the ground with his jumping for the ball. Above his head he is very hit and miss with his hands and often he does not extend to use his full height thus allowing shorter players to have a play at the ball. He is improving in this regard I think as well as using his body up forward.

Witts is not a great mover around the ground but when the ball is in his area he attacks it aggressively and makes some good plays. He is good over short distances but he will struggle to cover the ground needed of rucks in the AFL. He makes himself available well but is not a big mover around the ground. He moved to Victoria immediately after the Champs and played in the Collingwood VFL team having at least one BOG game where he ended up with 3 goals and 15 possessions. He is an interesting prospect given his size but he is far from assured of making it in the AFL.

Michael Hartley
DOB 7/6/93 Ht 196 Wt 94

This is Collingwood’s other scholarship player this year and if you offered me a choice between the two I would be taking Hartley. Honestly I probably rate him as the best FB prospect in this draft and I would have no trouble taking him in the top 20. The kid has the size, speed and defensive instincts to become a top shelf AFL full back.

Again I have not seen a huge amount of him apart from seeing him live against Vic Metro when he played on Patton. In that game he absolutely dominated Patton for three quarters completely taking him out of the game. Patton had two possessions up until three quarter time both being marks on the wing close to being in the back half. Hartley went step for step with the top rated Patton, was disciplined in how he played him and spoiled everything that got close. He left Patton a couple of times to mark the ball himself and showed great judgment of the ball in the air. He has excellent closing speed and a huge leap to go with his very nice height. Before taking up AFL a few years ago he was a nationally ranked high jumper. As a shut down full back he looks as good as you will get.

Hartley is very disciplined at the back and is not a big possession winner. He could very well follow in the footsteps of Presti in this regard. Still when he does get it he is a reasonable user of the ball. His skills are pretty good and I have not seen anything to make me question his option taking. As he becomes more confident there is nothing to suggest that he could not improve his run off and involvement in the offensive side of the game.

He has played mainly as a back but he has been a capable CHF when he has been asked to play there at the Champs and for his club. His workrate up forward is very good and he presents well with good quick leads. His hands are much better than you would expect from a backman. His kicking for goal could use a bit of work.

On size and versatility he reminds me a bit of Hurley of the Bombers although with more athleticism and less offensive game. Still I think he has enormous potential and should be ready to step in for Tarrant as soon as he retires.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=22831260#post22831260

 

[Ricky90]

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:|

Does enjoy a bit of Hartley, this guy.

 

[Trojan Pies]

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Whatever Quigley is smoking, I want some of it...

Seriously, I went specifically to the final matches of the Pies VFL season to get a look at a) Witts b) Seedsman and c) Bolton (still dirty on this) and I can tell you that Witts earned his BOG and several mentions in the best. If he can come straight in and make that sort of an impact at VFL level straight from the Champs, without full time training imagine what he will be capable of when he strengthens his core and has his first full preseason.

Kids the size and height of Witts are the RAREST of breeds and the fact that he can already compete with VFL men (although I should say, as a forward) speaks volumes of his talent.

Even the great Michael Malthouse has cung his praises, saying he'll end up being in the ilk of Cox and Sandilands.

No doubt he will take time to develop and unearth his full potential (just like Sandi did) but I'd take Witts every day of the week and twice on Sundays over Hartley...

 

[Jelly Bean]

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Whatever Quigley is smoking, I want some of it...

Seriously, I went specifically to the final matches of the Pies VFL season to get a look at a) Witts b) Seedsman and c) Bolton (still dirty on this) and I can tell you that Witts earned his BOG and several mentions in the best. If he can come straight in and make that sort of an impact at VFL level straight from the Champs, without full time training imagine what he will be capable of when he strengthens his core and has his first full preseason.

Kids the size and height of Witts are the RAREST of breeds and the fact that he can already compete with VFL men (although I should say, as a forward) speaks volumes of his talent.

Even the great Michael Malthouse has cung his praises, saying he'll end up being in the ilk of Cox and Sandilands.

No doubt he will take time to develop and unearth his full potential (just like Sandi did) but I'd take Witts every day of the week and twice on Sundays over Hartley...

But what did he really say about his weaknesses? That is currently isn't using his height to advantage, and that he doesn't yet move all that well around the ground. Hard to disagree with either of them.

And he said that some supporters are massively overrating him? That seems right at this stage as well.

No issue with the overview of Witts - I was more pleasantly surprised with the glowing review of Hartley (although this came after watching Hartley's only really top end game of the champs, so he would be forgiven for thinking this was the norm, rather than the exception).