It was actually the total opposite. We knew very early on that it was almost certain that he was leaving. It was more like "It will be a miracle if Wangers stays".
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It was actually the total opposite. We knew very early on that it was almost certain that he was leaving. It was more like "It will be a miracle if Wangers stays".
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Re: Ablett in "secret" talks with Gold Coast FC
I disagree.
He has shown nothing but loyalty to Geelong. He went to Geelong through the F/S. He has won 2 flags for them. If he can earn an extra Million a YEAR then why not?? Its not until 2011. By then geelong will be in a small but still a rebuild mode. It might actually be worth trading ablett for a KKP which theyll need in 2011.
We are talking about a million dollars a year .... as geelong supporters surely you could say hey thanks gary now go earn your money you deserve it have fun with your brother and if you could get us a high pick for a KKP then great!
I would too for Reiwoldt but he is yet to win his 2 flags. He can go in 2012
I disagree.
He has shown nothing but loyalty to Geelong. He went to Geelong through the F/S. He has won 2 flags for them. If he can earn an extra Million a YEAR then why not?? Its not until 2011. By then geelong will be in a small but still a rebuild mode. It might actually be worth trading ablett for a KKP which theyll need in 2011.
We are talking about a million dollars a year .... as geelong supporters surely you could say hey thanks gary now go earn your money you deserve it have fun with your brother and if you could get us a high pick for a KKP then great!
I would too for Reiwoldt but he is yet to win his 2 flags. He can go in 2012
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Re: Ablett in "secret" talks with Gold Coast FC
this is pure drival.....
Yeah right. Because Geelong getting two kids who may *possibly* become decent/good/great players eventually is fair compensation for them losing maybe the leauge's best player in his prime.
The compensation system is rubbish, and Victorian clubs know it. The AFL should NOT allow GC & GWS to poach other teams players fullstop. They should be made to build their lists from scratch as every Victorian club they'll be competing against first did.
this is pure drival.....
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No Gary No!
Ha classic. He deserves his money. He has done so much for the cats. You guys should never hate him, do nothing but celebrate him.
MY TIP: He'll go .. this is 1 Million EXTRA not just a little bit extra. It would take real closeness of his team mates to stay and guess what? He isnt as close to his team mates as you might think.
Re: Ablett in "secret" talks with Gold Coast FC
people are reading a heck of a lot into some people being in the same general location as some other people.
I will say that this could work out alright for Geelong if there is any substance in it.
There premiership window is nailed squarely open at the minute, but nothing lasts forever. One more really cranking season at the top and they could do worse things than do a big draft rebuild whilst there is still a lot of value in their established stars- they'd rebuild and come again in a few years when people like Selwood were entering their absolute prime.
people are reading a heck of a lot into some people being in the same general location as some other people.
I will say that this could work out alright for Geelong if there is any substance in it.
There premiership window is nailed squarely open at the minute, but nothing lasts forever. One more really cranking season at the top and they could do worse things than do a big draft rebuild whilst there is still a lot of value in their established stars- they'd rebuild and come again in a few years when people like Selwood were entering their absolute prime.
Re: Ablett in "secret" talks with Gold Coast FC
Which would be $450 000 after tax. A MASSIVE difference. The discrepancy between what Geelong will offer, and what GC will offer won't be that high either.
We are talking about a million dollars a year ....
Which would be $450 000 after tax. A MASSIVE difference. The discrepancy between what Geelong will offer, and what GC will offer won't be that high either.
Re: Ablett in "secret" talks with Gold Coast FC
You guys didn't read his post properly.
You guys didn't read his post properly.
Re: Ablett in "secret" talks with Gold Coast FC
You don't really believe this do you?
Gazza is currently on 500k-550k per season. Geelong may possibly be able to squeeze another 200K out per season but lets be kind and say they come up with 800k (extremely unlikely). The talk is that GC will have atleast 1.3m to play with for Gazza, maybe more depending on how many senior players they manage to recruit.
At the end of the day best case scenerio for Geelong would bde to get within about 650-700k of GC, per season. Over 4 years that is 2.8M.
You don't really believe this do you?
Gazza is currently on 500k-550k per season. Geelong may possibly be able to squeeze another 200K out per season but lets be kind and say they come up with 800k (extremely unlikely). The talk is that GC will have atleast 1.3m to play with for Gazza, maybe more depending on how many senior players they manage to recruit.
At the end of the day best case scenerio for Geelong would bde to get within about 650-700k of GC, per season. Over 4 years that is 2.8M.
Re: Ablett in "secret" talks with Gold Coast FC
Er yes i did. He is saying that under the AFL's club compensation criteria Geelong are likely to get a mid-1st round pick.
I am saying if you actually look at the criteria they will get far far more than that.
I don't think you read my post properly.
Er yes i did. He is saying that under the AFL's club compensation criteria Geelong are likely to get a mid-1st round pick.
I am saying if you actually look at the criteria they will get far far more than that.
I don't think you read my post properly.
Re: Ablett in "secret" talks with Gold Coast FC
I meant per year.
I've seen Gazza listed at 600-800k now, plus endorsements. Say he gets his 800k and GC offer 1.5mil, that's a discrepancy of 700k. Which is 315k a season after tax, or just over 1.2mil for 4 years.
I'm not saying it's not a big difference. I'm saying it's not as massive as people (like you with your 2.8mil figure) believe.
I meant per year.
I've seen Gazza listed at 600-800k now, plus endorsements. Say he gets his 800k and GC offer 1.5mil, that's a discrepancy of 700k. Which is 315k a season after tax, or just over 1.2mil for 4 years.
I'm not saying it's not a big difference. I'm saying it's not as massive as people (like you with your 2.8mil figure) believe.
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I'm not an accountant to i'm not going to start talking about after tax figures or start assuming how Gazza can minimise this.
If the figures being touted are anything to go by he will be better of by around 2.8M over 4 years prior to whatver his accountant comes up with.
This is a massive figure in anybodies mind.
Also, you talk about after tax earning yet you fail to acknowledge the extra money he woulkd earn in endorsements. We are talking crazy money here and the GC would play a very big part in making sure it happens.
P.S - You're well off the mark with Gazza currently being on 600-800k per season.
I'm not an accountant to i'm not going to start talking about after tax figures or start assuming how Gazza can minimise this.
If the figures being touted are anything to go by he will be better of by around 2.8M over 4 years prior to whatver his accountant comes up with.
This is a massive figure in anybodies mind.
Also, you talk about after tax earning yet you fail to acknowledge the extra money he woulkd earn in endorsements. We are talking crazy money here and the GC would play a very big part in making sure it happens.
P.S - You're well off the mark with Gazza currently being on 600-800k per season.
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Re: Ablett in "secret" talks with Gold Coast FC
I would agree with you, if the draft picks would be adequate compensation for what he is worth (i.e. two in the top 10). With the stupid AFL compensation formula with picks at the end of each round, we'll get nowhere near that.
I would agree with you, if the draft picks would be adequate compensation for what he is worth (i.e. two in the top 10). With the stupid AFL compensation formula with picks at the end of each round, we'll get nowhere near that.
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Re: Ablett in "secret" talks with Gold Coast FC
Agreed. Given Judd effectively was traded for picks 3, 4 and 20, no one in their right mind can argue Ablett's only worth about pick 17, which unless I am misunderstanding the compensation formula, is about what we'll get.
I'm philosophical about losing players, but the compensation really should be appropriate.
Agreed. Given Judd effectively was traded for picks 3, 4 and 20, no one in their right mind can argue Ablett's only worth about pick 17, which unless I am misunderstanding the compensation formula, is about what we'll get.
I'm philosophical about losing players, but the compensation really should be appropriate.
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Re: Ablett in "secret" talks with Gold Coast FC
Possibly...although Gazza really is pretty reclusive and likes his privacy, which is one of the things that might help him decide to stay.
But yes, I agree it's 50-50.
Agreed.....if Franklin was the one who looked like going and the compensation was equally inadequate, I'd be backing you in your complaints.
Possibly...although Gazza really is pretty reclusive and likes his privacy, which is one of the things that might help him decide to stay.
But yes, I agree it's 50-50.
Agreed.....if Franklin was the one who looked like going and the compensation was equally inadequate, I'd be backing you in your complaints.
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Re: Ablett in "secret" talks with Gold Coast FC
Given that the AFL have said the compensation picks (even though we don't know exactly what the formula is) will be "additional" picks, rather than taking away the GC's existing picks, pick 1 is impossible (as is any other top 10 pick for that matter). Hence why we are saying it's rubbish.
Given that the AFL have said the compensation picks (even though we don't know exactly what the formula is) will be "additional" picks, rather than taking away the GC's existing picks, pick 1 is impossible (as is any other top 10 pick for that matter). Hence why we are saying it's rubbish.
Re: Ablett in "secret" talks with Gold Coast FC
It's rather simple math. 55% of the discrepancy of Geelong's offer Vs GC's. That's all.
No one knows what he gets from endorsements now, or what he could potentially earn up there, ergo no one knows the difference between the two.
The quote from the main article says 600k. The 800k figure was someone misquoting what he could be on as opposed to what he is.
Basically we're going to be looking at an offer of 800k v 1.5mil like I said. Which, as I have also said, will be a difference 315k in Jnr's hand a season. Then factor in your endorsements if you like, which is impossible to do really because none of us have any idea what they'd entail.
My point remains: People will wax lyrical about his potential to earn 3mil odd extra over 4 years, and I'm just simply pointing out that Mr Tax Man will nab 55% of that, so the discrepancy isn't as large as people may think. It's still large, and could definitely sway him to go, but it won't be in the 3mil range.
I'm not an accountant to i'm not going to start talking about after tax figures or start assuming how Gazza can minimise this.
If the figures being touted are anything to go by he will be better of by around 2.8M over 4 years prior to whatver his accountant comes up with.
This is a massive figure in anybodies mind.
Also, you talk about after tax earning yet you fail to acknowledge the extra money he woulkd earn in endorsements. We are talking crazy money here and the GC would play a very big part in making sure it happens.
P.S - You're well off the mark with Gazza currently being on 600-800k per season.
It's rather simple math. 55% of the discrepancy of Geelong's offer Vs GC's. That's all.
No one knows what he gets from endorsements now, or what he could potentially earn up there, ergo no one knows the difference between the two.
The quote from the main article says 600k. The 800k figure was someone misquoting what he could be on as opposed to what he is.
Basically we're going to be looking at an offer of 800k v 1.5mil like I said. Which, as I have also said, will be a difference 315k in Jnr's hand a season. Then factor in your endorsements if you like, which is impossible to do really because none of us have any idea what they'd entail.
My point remains: People will wax lyrical about his potential to earn 3mil odd extra over 4 years, and I'm just simply pointing out that Mr Tax Man will nab 55% of that, so the discrepancy isn't as large as people may think. It's still large, and could definitely sway him to go, but it won't be in the 3mil range.
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Doesnt the AFL's compensation formula rule out the initial draft picks? I cant find the exact information but I beleive the first 10 or so arent included - so even though Ablett is probably worth 3 or 4 top 10 picks, Geelong would only get pick 11 - or something like that.
Doesnt the AFL's compensation formula rule out the initial draft picks? I cant find the exact information but I beleive the first 10 or so arent included - so even though Ablett is probably worth 3 or 4 top 10 picks, Geelong would only get pick 11 - or something like that.
Decent chance imo.
There is a bit of a fairly tale type story about him staying and captaining Geelong like his Dad. But at the same time, I reckon his Dad might tell him to go to the Gold Coast and set himself up for life after footy - and not p!ss it all away like he did!
There is a bit of a fairly tale type story about him staying and captaining Geelong like his Dad. But at the same time, I reckon his Dad might tell him to go to the Gold Coast and set himself up for life after footy - and not p!ss it all away like he did!
would be epic if he left
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I used to think that everytime they mentioned Tippett & the GC together, it made me feel sick inside until he re signed.
I think Gaz will stay for what it's worth.
As far as i know when it comes to compensation picks they arent in the year that the player is drafted.
In this case it wouldnt be in either the 2 years that GC or GWS entered the competition. They then have 5 years within which to use that pick but they have to nominate which year. They could possibly get a first round pick, and end of first round pick, end of second round pick etc.
In the case of Jnr they would probably get number 1 pick in the draft as compensation. They would also be able to pick which year they wanted it. Now dont get me wrong he's a great player and when you look at the judd deal the eagles basically got pick 3,4 and 20 so thinking to only get 1 pick would seem a little harsh.
But lets also look at it from the other angle, the cats were bloody lucky to get him with only a bloody father/son pick to start with as he would have gone very early if not number 1 in his draft year anyway. So its not as though geelong havent already had a sweet deal out of him.
2 premierships, a brownlow and giving his heart and soul for the club every week for only a friggin father/son pick sounds pretty damned sweet to me, especially if you get the number 1 pick in any draft you bloody well want from 2012-2016.
In this case it wouldnt be in either the 2 years that GC or GWS entered the competition. They then have 5 years within which to use that pick but they have to nominate which year. They could possibly get a first round pick, and end of first round pick, end of second round pick etc.
In the case of Jnr they would probably get number 1 pick in the draft as compensation. They would also be able to pick which year they wanted it. Now dont get me wrong he's a great player and when you look at the judd deal the eagles basically got pick 3,4 and 20 so thinking to only get 1 pick would seem a little harsh.
But lets also look at it from the other angle, the cats were bloody lucky to get him with only a bloody father/son pick to start with as he would have gone very early if not number 1 in his draft year anyway. So its not as though geelong havent already had a sweet deal out of him.
2 premierships, a brownlow and giving his heart and soul for the club every week for only a friggin father/son pick sounds pretty damned sweet to me, especially if you get the number 1 pick in any draft you bloody well want from 2012-2016.
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It was actually the total opposite. We knew very early on that it was almost certain that he was leaving. It was more like "It will be a miracle if Wangers stays".
There were always persistent rumours about that, of Port letting Essendon have Wanganeen then under promise of his return once Port got the AFL licence, with the alternative being not having him at all. How true it is, who knows.
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I dont think he wouldve went anywhere close to number 1 in his draft
year, Im not sure where he wouldve went - but I dont think he wouldve
even went in the top 10
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He would be a moron to turn that down. He doesn't owe Geelong anything. They got him cheap through the father-son, and he has delivered in spades. Business is business and Geelong is a hole. And dont give me the line about sticking with your mates. He's not a 12 year old boy. Time to grow up, and think about the future of your (future) kids.
Anyway.....I hope this happens, coz i reckon Hodgey might be plan B. And that would be a travesty.
Anyway.....I hope this happens, coz i reckon Hodgey might be plan B. And that would be a travesty.
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