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Analysis Geelong Cats are preliminary finals chokers: Some hard truthes.
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They were gone at the National anthem. I knew right there and then Adelaide would jump us and BINGO! What were they thinking ? Psyched out before the ball was bounced, why didn't Scott instruct his team to line up opposite their direct opponent with all hands on hips staring them back down? Throw in a few verbals while they were at it. As soon as the anthem stopped i would've asked every player to run at them for a few steps then veer off. As the camera panned around they looked like they were scared to face the Crows! Some players were looking around, some were mumbling the words, some just looked down right afraid! The Crows won the game before it started. Poor preparation IMO.
If you look at boxing and in particular Duran V Leonard 1, Duran stares Leonard down during the anthem and ring instructions, he's totally focused on him, he never stops talking, he gets in his space and verbalises throughout. Leonard is looking down, he doesn't make eye contact, he thinks Duran is a madman, "what the hell am i doing here"? Leonard was dead set lucky to make it out of round 2 and he lost the fight. Leonard was a prohibitive favourite going into the first fight!
Why do Geelong start games so badly? I really thought this time it wouldn't happen...but
If you look at boxing and in particular Duran V Leonard 1, Duran stares Leonard down during the anthem and ring instructions, he's totally focused on him, he never stops talking, he gets in his space and verbalises throughout. Leonard is looking down, he doesn't make eye contact, he thinks Duran is a madman, "what the hell am i doing here"? Leonard was dead set lucky to make it out of round 2 and he lost the fight. Leonard was a prohibitive favourite going into the first fight!
Why do Geelong start games so badly? I really thought this time it wouldn't happen...but
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A coaching staff's responsibility is to train up the players from day 1 of Pre Season training so their skill execution; game awareness (zone positioning and positioning on the ground) and decision making skills can stand up in the September heat. The basics have to be excuted perfectly during the home and away season; tested during the big match day games and then transferred to September. If you look at how the Crows' executed their decision making skills and skill disposal, it was perfect. Sharp, precise and kicks were perfectly weighted to position. At the same time, the Crows harassed and defended perfectly.
We have continually failed in finals since the 2011 Grand Final. Winning 4 finals out of 11 final matches since the 2011 Grand Final is disgusting. We have recruited for the now and any top AFL coach would have the people skills and management skills to effectively communicate a game plan where all players have bought into the coach's methods and processes. Sooner or later, the window is closed and in the history of the Geelong Football Club, the period of 2012 to 2020 will be seen a period of lost opportunity or Preliminary Final chokers. We have recruited the now and we have failed. Great sides of yester years (North Melbourne, Carlton, Hawthorn, Essendon and Lions recruited for the now and they seized their chances).
No side in the history of the AFL/VFL has recruited for the now and failed to win a premiership. That is the cold hard fact. When a side has the players to win a flag, they seize the moment. We have failed to seize the moment.
In relation to people's comments on the ruck coach, Brad Ottens has a full time business as a cabinet maker/furniture maker in Geelong.
Brendan McCartney should return to the Cats. He resides at the Geelong Grammar residences. He is the perfect fit to train up the 0 to 100 gamers to allow them to compliment our superstars. But, Brian Cook's stubborn pride in not hiring him or Bomber Thompson stands in the way.
Chris Scott has failed to train up the players in the basics of football so their skills can be executed perfectly in the September cauldron. That is the cold hard fact. The basics of football in 2017 are game awareness and decision making.
We have continually failed in finals since the 2011 Grand Final. Winning 4 finals out of 11 final matches since the 2011 Grand Final is disgusting. We have recruited for the now and any top AFL coach would have the people skills and management skills to effectively communicate a game plan where all players have bought into the coach's methods and processes. Sooner or later, the window is closed and in the history of the Geelong Football Club, the period of 2012 to 2020 will be seen a period of lost opportunity or Preliminary Final chokers. We have recruited the now and we have failed. Great sides of yester years (North Melbourne, Carlton, Hawthorn, Essendon and Lions recruited for the now and they seized their chances).
No side in the history of the AFL/VFL has recruited for the now and failed to win a premiership. That is the cold hard fact. When a side has the players to win a flag, they seize the moment. We have failed to seize the moment.
In relation to people's comments on the ruck coach, Brad Ottens has a full time business as a cabinet maker/furniture maker in Geelong.
Brendan McCartney should return to the Cats. He resides at the Geelong Grammar residences. He is the perfect fit to train up the 0 to 100 gamers to allow them to compliment our superstars. But, Brian Cook's stubborn pride in not hiring him or Bomber Thompson stands in the way.
Chris Scott has failed to train up the players in the basics of football so their skills can be executed perfectly in the September cauldron. That is the cold hard fact. The basics of football in 2017 are game awareness and decision making.
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I couldn't remember exactly so just took a stab
this loss was like previous losses, getting hammered in the 1st quarter
the only good thing , is the reaction
we supporters and McGrath with K-rock are not taking this loss laying down
apply the blow torch to the coaching staff and lets see some action
quick action
quicker the better
trade and specialist coaching
visit to sports psychiatrist
Kokoda trail
High altitude training
swimming with dolphins
anything but just do something
the only good thing , is the reaction
we supporters and McGrath with K-rock are not taking this loss laying down
apply the blow torch to the coaching staff and lets see some action
quick action
quicker the better
trade and specialist coaching
visit to sports psychiatrist
Kokoda trail
High altitude training
swimming with dolphins
anything but just do something
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jimmy.h
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Bulldogs circa 2008-10 spring to mind. Although I suppose acquiring Aker and Hall may have been recruiting for the future but I don't think even Rocket is that foolish
Please tell me your not the bloke who rings up Krock every week.
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Eagles have the best of both worlds. Cox is also their stoppages/midfield coach.
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Gotta feeling Choco and Scott would not get along.
With all due respect mate, what the **** is Tim McGrath going to do?
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He's spot on, the guys I was watching the game with, we all said the same thing, Geelong play selfish footy.
We don't block for each other. We don't shepherd. We give bullshit handballs to blokes under more pressure because we don't want to take on the attention.
We give balls to players under pressure and sag off wanting an easy handball back instead of providing a block to give them space instead, we draw our opponents to marking contests instead of stopping their run and ensuring a 1 on 1.
I call it Supercoach footy, it's all about me me me and how I can look good on the stats sheet and NOT what's best for the team and what will win the game.
Menzels run and shot from 80m out when he had atleast 2 completely free players 25m out from goal sums it up perfectly. He thought "oh ho! Millionaire time!!" instead of giving off and ensuring a better shot at goal.
Handballs backwards to blokes not expecting it when you have a setshot 50m out.
We play soft, selfish downhill skiing footy.
Footy Ops Manager: Simon Lloyd is a good call, but if we pull the trigger on CS id like him to be considered for the head coach position. Rodney Eade could be a good replacement here. Or Eade as Dir. of Coaching with someone else brought in as Footy Ops Manager.
Head Coach: Anyone other than Chris Scott, preferably someone who a) has significant experience at coaching level (assistant/senior assistant) and b) preferably has been a head coach before. It should also be a requirement that they havent been involved with the GFC for more than 2 or 3 years at most. New ideas are needed now, not recycled ones.
Back line coach: Scarlo
Midfield: Joel Corey or Luke Hodge. Hodge is a risk given he has only just retired, but he clearly knows the game better than the vast majority of potential options here. Maybe looking for an experienced assistant coach here would be preferable.
Development Coach: Brendan McCartney, though i accept getting him away from Melbourne will be hard, but we need to throw some weight around. Give him full control of the development of players aged 18-22/23, that includes making him VFL coach.
Forwards: Brad Johnson would be a good get but he seems committed to his Foxtel gig so him in a part time skills role seems as good as we will get. The other Johnson, who will be available from the end of the year would be a good full time fit i think.
Getting Brad Ottens to the club in a full time role to work with the rucks would be a good idea, not sure why this hasnt been done, im not even sure we have a rucks coach at the moment. Fairly big oversight if thats true given the importance of the role.
We have Enright at the club in a skills and development role which im happy about. Skills coaches are important but suggesting Greg Williams and Sam Newman is absurd. We need guys who have only recently retired, who know what it's like to play football today, and how to execute skills under the pressure of modern football. Greg Williams and Sam Newman cant do that. But if your aim is to have someone at the club who will lecture the players on SSM, then by all means recruit Sam Newman...
Scarlett is already at the club so no that wont help. Our aggression wasnt the problem last night in any case.
So basically get the 2007 team to coach the side?
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Did I write this? I said exactly this to my old man this morning.
Scarlo is already there, Corey has proven from his time at the Dogs that he knows what he is doing, infact as far as midfield assistant coaches go, he is probably the number 1 coach in the league (or very close to it), and Johno has been rated highly for years as a potential coach. Johno is a risk because he hasnt actually been a coach before but he seems like the best option of the recently retired players for a forward line role, if we go down the path of bringing in younger, former players as assistants. Perhaps the forward line is where an older head would be beneficial though, so Brad Johnson would be the preferred option here, but he doesnt seem like a realistic full time option due to his Foxtel gig.
Plus, if it's about bringing back an emphasis on the culture and playing for each other, what better people to bring into the club than the players who themselves had to build that culture 10 years ago.
One must remember the opposition in prelims, they usually are quite good teams. Hawthorne couple years back, Sydney last year, Crows this year, all have cores that have played together for years. Confidence in each other and themselves is huge, especially under pressure; less thinking, more doing. It almost seems like most of the Cats are still thinking about what they have to do, instead of just going for it. Almost clinical instead of instinctive.
I think that in the offseason they work on skills yes, and almost equally important culture. Listen to those Talking Footy interviews. That team was a unit. They knew each other well, and drove each other hard; they grew together. The squad right now is kind of a patchwork in the sense of having playing together. That is what I think they need to work on. Especially since it appears that new faces will be imported. Coaches responsibility.
I also think team leadership has to be addressed. Joel is absolutely (any superlative x 100) on the field. I wonder about the off field stuff. Of course I have no idea about what goes on in the club(can't make that point nearly enough), but are the leaders demanding enough? Several seem like great guys, but are they generals on field or coaches off? I think leaders are not just courageous guys who turn it up a notch or two in the game. There are other buttons that need to be pushed. Joel has the inspiring play patented. I would hope they worked on that aspect as well.
While I'm on the rant, I think CS's style might be stifling that instinctive, aggressive play. In public, where I believe many coaches are mostly talking to their players, he seems to be about professionalism. Aggressive remonstrating, looking out for a teammate or captain, and the like are unnecessary or words to that effect. Buckley is all about playing for each other, I think CS could add some layers to his messaging.
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I think that in the offseason they work on skills yes, and almost equally important culture. Listen to those Talking Footy interviews. That team was a unit. They knew each other well, and drove each other hard; they grew together. The squad right now is kind of a patchwork in the sense of having playing together. That is what I think they need to work on. Especially since it appears that new faces will be imported. Coaches responsibility.
I also think team leadership has to be addressed. Joel is absolutely (any superlative x 100) on the field. I wonder about the off field stuff. Of course I have no idea about what goes on in the club(can't make that point nearly enough), but are the leaders demanding enough? Several seem like great guys, but are they generals on field or coaches off? I think leaders are not just courageous guys who turn it up a notch or two in the game. There are other buttons that need to be pushed. Joel has the inspiring play patented. I would hope they worked on that aspect as well.
While I'm on the rant, I think CS's style might be stifling that instinctive, aggressive play. In public, where I believe many coaches are mostly talking to their players, he seems to be about professionalism. Aggressive remonstrating, looking out for a teammate or captain, and the like are unnecessary or words to that effect. Buckley is all about playing for each other, I think CS could add some layers to his messaging.
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Same guy.
he hit the nail on the head didnt he
jimmy.h
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We could have had 4 quarters of full on 80s style biff but you're still going to get beaten if you concede 15 goals from turnovers
you raise a great point
joel is very inspirational on the field but not sure how he would go off the field, would he have the leadership qualities like a tom harley?
I have been pondering this sort of question, what qualities did Harley and Ling have as captains. Ling, my favorite player, probably didn't need to do much since the team's core was still there and he was one of their older members. In a way they captained themselves. Was he a good on-field general? Harley was there during the elevation of the team. How much of his personality and willfulness was cornerstone for the turnaround?
I think a captain is a respected and feared member of the team. Harley and Ling had some tough characters at their backs. Does Joel?
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