Geelong rorting the system

[joe444]

Okay, so yet another caller to Trade Radio has claimed "nobody ever talks about" (hint - cover up) and "they should investigate" (hint - illegality) how "Geelong gets all these A graders".

Even if the above were factual, is there actually any evidence out there, or just baseless stuff about land deals and Cotton On? I'd like to think, since I follow the side, I'd have picked up on something. And I'm too bloody old to be biased about this sort of stuff, which is why this isn't posted on the Bay.

 

[Miluxx]

Okay, so yet another caller to Trade Radio has claimed "nobody ever talks about" (hint - cover up) and "they should investigate" (hint - illegality) how "Geelong gets all these A graders".

Even if the above were factual, is there actually any evidence out there, or just baseless stuff about land deals and Cotton On? I'd like to think, since I follow the side, I'd have picked up on something. And I'm too bloody old to be biased about this sort of stuff, which is why this isn't posted on the Bay.

I keep hearing stuff about the farms being a big motivator. To be honest I think it's more the lifestyle geelong offers. Who wouldn't want to live the easy going country lifestyle only being 1 hr from town.

 

[kickazz]

Given Geelong's strategy of not wanting to bottom out, they probably need to target more ready made players than drafting kids.

They've got some big fish along the way like Jeremy Cameron

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Jeremy Cameron

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(which the cats paid a high price for) and Dangerfield.

They've also had a few average players that were unwanted but came to be serviceable, like Menegola, Rohan, Isaac Smith

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and Jared Rivers.

But where they really rorted the system was getting Crameri, Blease, Henderson, Stephenson, Higgins, Dahlhaus.


So yeah, they get some A graders. But geez they get all the other letters as well.

 

[kickazz]

I'd also suggest that living in Melbourne has more appeal for younger players whereas living in Geelong has more appeal for older players.

 

[iameviljez]

Okay, so yet another caller to Trade Radio has claimed "nobody ever talks about" (hint - cover up) and "they should investigate" (hint - illegality) how "Geelong gets all these A graders".

Even if the above were factual, is there actually any evidence out there, or just baseless stuff about land deals and Cotton On? I'd like to think, since I follow the side, I'd have picked up on something. And I'm too bloody old to be biased about this sort of stuff, which is why this isn't posted on the Bay.

There's just a lot of opinions out there based on "I Reckon" - plus, of course, a healthy amount of shitstirring, which is all fair enough and part of the game.

It would be somewhat risky to dish out under the table money or land deals to players in the modern era. This isn't the 1970s, where you could hold a year's wages in a paper bag.

 

[iameviljez]

I'd also suggest that living in Melbourne has more appeal for younger players whereas living in Geelong has more appeal for older players.

I agree, but also that living in Geelong appeals to, say, 10% of players - the country types. But Geelong has a USP on that.

 

[PhatBoy]

Which ones?

Cameron
Dangerfield…..

And?

Wow. Two in 10 years.

Somebody slow us down

 

[Percel]

All they are guilty of is sensible, measured and successful recruitment.

 

[Ross]

I agree, but also that living in Geelong appeals to, say, 10% of players - the country types. But Geelong has a USP on that.

How many even live in Geelong? I was under the impression that a lot of them were based on the surf coast (or on farms, in the well-known cases of Cameron, Hawkins and Stanley).

 

[iameviljez]

How many even live in Geelong? I was under the impression that a lot of them were based on the surf coast (or on farms, in the well-known cases of Cameron, Hawkins and Stanley).

Well, Greater Geelong, I guess. Torquay, to be specific

 

[LoBu]

Did you get caught cheating the salary cap for 8 years and only fined $40K?

 

[Ross]

Well, Greater Geelong, I guess. Torquay, to be specific

All good, I think a lot of non-Cats fans think the players are all like the Henry brothers were growing up and that they live a stone's throw from Kardinia Park when they talk about how the players could easily live in Geelong and just commute an hour each way to Melbourne, not realising very few of them actually live in Geelong. Even living in Torquay would add an extra 20 minutes each way on that trip, if they live in other coastal places like Anglesea, Ocean Grove or Queenscliff it could easily blow out into spending more than three hours in a car each day if they played for a Melbourne club.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Did you get caught cheating the salary cap for 8 years and only fined $40K?

Not exactly. There was no suggestion that in those breaches that we went over the salary cap.
But instead incorrectly accounted for GST on management fees for a venue we operated. Small potatoes error in reality.

 

[TP86]

I keep hearing stuff about the farms being a big motivator. To be honest I think it's more the lifestyle geelong offers. Who wouldn't want to live the easy going country lifestyle only being 1 hr from town.

North have pinned their colours to Arden street even though the possibility of Ballarat or a council on the outer northern fringe of suburban Melbourne may well have taken them. Same for Essendon and Tullamarine being just off the freeway to both north and west. Seaford has been attributed as a disaster for St Kilda.

If being away from the buzz and bright lights of the city worked for more than just Geelong surely one of the other Vic teams all clustered either in the city or suburbia would have given it a go to try and muscle in.

 

[LoBu]

Not exactly. There was no suggestion that in those breaches that we went over the salary cap.
But instead incorrectly accounted for GST on management fees for a venue we operated. Small potatoes error in reality.

I would never defend Adelaide for what happened with Tippett, but not declaring a Balfours promotion worth $40k was just as minor, didn't even breach the salary cap.

What I don't understand is how one is a two year draft ban the other is small potatoes.

 

[The Jack]

Who wouldn't love to live in Norlane?

 

[Bostonian]

Who wouldn't love to live in Norlane?

98% of Geelong.

 

[Footy Smarts]

I would never defend Adelaide for what happened with Tippett, but not declaring a Balfours promotion worth $40k was just as minor, didn't even breach the salary cap.

What I don't understand is how one is a two year draft ban the other is small potatoes.

Lol this is a beautifully deluded description of the Tippett shenanigans

 

[iameviljez]

If being away from the buzz and bright lights of the city worked for more than just Geelong surely one of the other Vic teams all clustered either in the city or suburbia would have given it a go to try and muscle in.

Yeah, I'd wait and see how it looks when we start playing like shit to see if it really has that much pulling power.

 

[JPetro83]

Geelong will be a top 4 lock next year. well coached, list will be topped up again and they are gaining another game down in Geelong where they barely lose. lets say they get 10 games in Geelong, they will win 8 or 9 of those, win a few away or at the G and bang.. thats a lock for top 4

 

[PhatBoy]

Geelong will be a top 4 lock next year. well coached, list will be topped up again and they are gaining another game down in Geelong where they barely lose. lets say they get 10 games in Geelong, they will win 8 or 9 of those, win a few away or at the G and bang.. thats a lock for top 4

We had the same record at KP this year as we had away from there

 

[Cyclops]

Jealousy is a curse.

I think Scott's their best ever coach. He's getting great returns from a not very expensive list. Players like good coaches, they like winning. Are they getting a stream of cheap superstars? Pretty sure they paid full price for Danger and Cameron, both of whom would have been well paid when younger and wanted a shot at team success. Cotton On may be playing cute, if so they'll get caught like Carlton did with the printing company rort.

Once a rumour is up and running its truth for some. "No smoke without fire" yeah nah could just be you need an oil change, or someone has lit up a Rothman's.

 

[Rockford]

Not exactly. There was no suggestion that in those breaches that we went over the salary cap.
But instead incorrectly accounted for GST on management fees for a venue we operated. Small potatoes error in reality.

Also, didn't the club identify it themselves in an audit and self-report to the AFL that it had happened?

 

[iameviljez]

Pretty sure they paid full price for Danger and Cameron, both of whom would have been well paid when younger and wanted a shot at team success.

Not quite.

Dangerfield was p9, p28 and a young player for p50 back IIRC, and definitely accepted 'unders' for coming to Geelong.

JC was given a fat contract (under the belief that GWS couldn't afford to match it within the cap), but the trade itself was p13, 15 and 20, for two future seconds.

The kicker on both of those deals is that both players had career best years after coming to Geelong. Dangerfield in 2015 was good, very very good, but not quite a megastar yet, like he became in 2016-17.

 

[Partridge]

Not quite.

Dangerfield was p9, p28 and a young player for p50 back IIRC, and definitely accepted 'unders' for coming to Geelong.

JC was given a fat contract (under the belief that GWS couldn't afford to match it within the cap), but the trade itself was p13, 15 and 20, for two future seconds.

The kicker on both of those deals is that both players had career best years after coming to Geelong. Dangerfield in 2015 was good, very very good, but not quite a megastar yet, like he became in 2016-17.

Dangerfield yes, Cameron it's line ball. He kicked 76 goals for GWS in 2019.