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Geelong rorting the system
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There's more than one of them.
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yes the top pic is a circle.
This is a circle
Is it just, you know, genetic with you? Do you take lessons in being moronic? Did you have you spine surgically removed or is it just a huge combination of all of them?
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In '87 or '88, I was working at the brand new Coles store in Bay City Plaza (now Westfield). Ron Hovey had Ablett Snr driving flat bed trucks to keep him out of trouble during the day.
Ablett pulled into our loading dock one lunch time, the storeman was on lunch, and I was the fill-in for the hour. Ablett and I had a quick chat and then he took off across the road while I took care of the freight.
Ablett came back about 15mins later after I had finished, he had with him two double cone ice-creams with three scoops in each, he handed me one of them, it was butterscotch, mint choc chip and strawberry. Across the road in Yarra St was any awesome little ice-creamery next to Wal's Barber Shop and the Britannia Hotel (The Brit)
Ablett told me he had been given them for free outside of the salary cap, but in a moment of what I could only call weakness, I greedily accepted the ice-cream and we ate them as we chatted. Once Gaz had left, I reflected on what I had been an accomplice to and felt dirty about it.
Was he buying my silence by giving me a free ice-cream?
I have often reflected on this encounter in the ensuing 35+ years and feel shamed by the immorality of what I had been a party to and my continuing weakness in not contacting the AFL Integrity department about this blatant flouting of the salary cap.
I will take this shame to my grave.
Ablett pulled into our loading dock one lunch time, the storeman was on lunch, and I was the fill-in for the hour. Ablett and I had a quick chat and then he took off across the road while I took care of the freight.
Ablett came back about 15mins later after I had finished, he had with him two double cone ice-creams with three scoops in each, he handed me one of them, it was butterscotch, mint choc chip and strawberry. Across the road in Yarra St was any awesome little ice-creamery next to Wal's Barber Shop and the Britannia Hotel (The Brit)
Ablett told me he had been given them for free outside of the salary cap, but in a moment of what I could only call weakness, I greedily accepted the ice-cream and we ate them as we chatted. Once Gaz had left, I reflected on what I had been an accomplice to and felt dirty about it.
Was he buying my silence by giving me a free ice-cream?
I have often reflected on this encounter in the ensuing 35+ years and feel shamed by the immorality of what I had been a party to and my continuing weakness in not contacting the AFL Integrity department about this blatant flouting of the salary cap.
I will take this shame to my grave.
Sttew
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Not too late for the AFL to investigate. Are you onto it Aristotle Pickett ?
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I don't mind the great champion getting free ice-cream or even a free car but Chris Scott getting $200,000 to make one phone call a weak is a bit too much.
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Pork chop
The moorabool st side has always been straight
Literally look at the grass across two photos 40 years apart and tell me how much it’s changed you sook. At some point would you just, grow, a spine.
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Shows a picture that clearly establishes changes relevant to the conversation then tries to claim it hasn't changed. Fmd.
But this is beside the point the ground is a huge outlier in shape and always has been. This is why over time Geelong on average all time have outscored their opponents at the venue by 18 points per match, scoring around 23% more per game there than their opponents on average, & wins 68% of their games there all time.
Current main home ground all time records:
*home ground defined as the ground the team plays the most games on per year on average, only the club's home games at the ground are counted.
Geelong - KP - win% 68% - ave margin - +18 points
Port Adelaide - AO - 67% - +19 points
Essendon - MCG - 64% - +9 points
Hawthorn - MCG - win% 61% - +9 points
Sydney - SCG - 60% - +12 points
GWS - Showgrounds - 60% - +5 points
Collingwood - MCG - 58% - +8 points
Richmond - MCG - 58% - +4 points
Fremantle - Perth Stad - 58% - +3 points
St Kilda - Docklands - 56% - +5 points
Adelaide - AO - 54% - +14 points
Brisbane - Gabba - 53% - +8 points
Melbourne - MCG - 53% - +3 points
Eagles - Perth Stad - 51% - -4 points
Bulldogs - Docklands - 51% - +2 points
North - Docklands - 47% - -1 point
Carlton - MCG - 45% - -5 points
Suns - Carrara - 40% - -10 points
Cats have been playing home games there since the 1940's from memory. In all that time they have managed the highest winning % in home games of any team at their current main home ground. They have the 2nd highest average points surplus per game, narrowly behind Port Adelaide at AO.
Interesting the 3 highest home game points surpluses per match, & 2 of the 3 highest game winning percentages belong to the teams who play home games on the least standard shaped grounds - the long thin Adelaide Oval & the longer & thinner Kardiia Park.
Playing home games at KP has clearly been a big advantage to Geelong, because they are the best performed at their home ground, but far from the best performed club overall since they have been playing home games there.
The Costa Zoo hga is the biggest rort in the AFL.
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I have back in about 1980.
Sttew
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How is playing home games - and not even the full quota of designated home games - on your home ground in your city rorting the system? Geelong FC rightfully stood their when the AFL tried to relocate the club to Docklands, and now GMHBA is the third biggest AFL stadium in Victoria behind MCG and Docklands, capacity wise.
How is this rorting?
- May 5, 2016
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Just funny that part about how you never quote figures about us being the best performed travelling team across two decades
‘Hey everybody. Come and see how many excuses I can make.’
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Did buddy know or care?there is more of a just really cool letting go...
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Just accept the facts of the situation instead of saying the ground hasn't changed.
Face it, it's unfit for professional football.
What does 2 decades have to do with it? Cats have been playing home games there since 1940's. I would bet they have not been the strongest performed away team over that period, & they definitely have not been near the strongest performer in finals. But they have performed more strongly than any team on their current home ground.
I don't see where excuses come into that.
Geelong by the way has a 44.7% all time away game winning record.
Richmond for eg is around 44% as well. Collingwood 55%. Carlton 51%. Essendon 50%. Hawks 42%. Demons 40%.
Cats has by far the greatest disparity between all time home win% at current home ground & away venue win %.
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Lolllll says who? The 80 years worth of players who’ve been playing there?
The guys who get paid a fortune to spend their days kicking and marking a ball on patches of grass who you think inexplicably can’t navigate some turf? No no it’s a great point
Oh that’s right, it’s you - the guy who thinks the word ‘stand’ is too much for professional athletes to cope with. The guy who thinks a team hosting games at their own ground is unfair.
‘Kick it to me, kick it to me!!!’
‘Where? Where are you? I can’t see you amidst all these less even curves around the boundaries!!’
‘You f**king what?!?!’
‘You heard me!’
‘Just run then’
‘Run where!’
‘Run forward!’
‘Forward!’
‘Which way are we going again?’
‘To the northern end d**khead!’
‘Which way’s north?’
‘Oh for f**ks sake give me the ball… DONT THROW IT YOU DUMB C**T.’
‘You asked me to give it to you.’
‘f**ken great.’
‘That’s time fellas.’
It is a fair question.
The rort comes from the disparity in ratio of games played on similarly shaped grounds compared to their opponents at the venue.
Cats train f/t there. They play 9 games per year, now 10 it seems, more or less 40% of all games they play. Their average opponent would play about 2% of all their matches there. And if you grouped the ground with say Adelaide Oval as long narrow grounds(KP is quite radical even when compared to AO) you still have a disparity of around 43% of games played by Cats & only roughly 4% by their average opponent.
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So? If it’s such an advantage, tell us to stop winning matches when we play elsewhere and we will have a meaningful conversation about it.
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So f**king what. Tell the other teams to train better for it and man up.
Sttew
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Do you complain about Carrara, or GWS's ground?
One of the appealing features of AFL is that ground dimensions are not uniform. Same applies to cricket grounds. No coincidence that AFL was developed as a winter game for cricketers.
FYI, Geelong also trains at Deakin University. Over Summer the ground at Kardinia Park is off limits because of cricket.
Most teams now put out cones on their grounds to replicate the playing arena at Geelong.
How is it that teams like Swans, Freo and GWS play GMHBA really well?
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Nope park Vaseline....ya self..
Why would anyone consider Carrara or the Sydney Showgrounds to be noteworthy as home venues? They are by orders of magnitude more standard in shape & size for AFL venues when compared to the Cost Zoo.
Geelong spend more than sufficient time training on their ground to be more familiar with it than most other clubs get be be with their home grounds, & by a long distance.
If there were 18 clubs with 18 vastly different sized & shaped grounds, & they all got to train regularly on their home grounds, then your point would hold. But this is not the case. Geelong's ground is by far the biggest size and shape outlier, and they would be in the top 3 in the AFL for training access to the ground they play almost all their home games on.
It is a very sigificant h&a season advantage, clearly.
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Is it? Or are you just trying to find something that isn’t there because you refuse to grow a knob and accept that a team you detest has simply played to a very high level wherever they’ve played over a long period of time? It’s funny how every other - or most other - fan, or group of fans, can cope with their own team’s ups and downs and the successes of other teams but you, at your age, simply haven’t developed these mechanisms yet
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He's on the phone with the CFL right now.
They have also lost 100% of finals at KP.
So what do the AFL do, not allow them to play there.....hmmmm. I wonder why?
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It was coz we accidentally trained at the wrong ground that week appaz.
Owed little if anything to Fremantle completely outplaying us
I have no trouble admitting Geelong have performed consistently well over the recent era.
It is you who has trouble admitting the Cats home ground is adding(by my reasonable estimation) around 2 wins differential per season. Ie 1 more win, 1 less loss.
2024 that drops them 3rd to 6th on the ladder for eg.
2023 drop 12th to 14th
2022 Still win flag - clear best team
2021 drop 3rd to 5th
2020 n/a
2019 1st to 3rd
2018 8th to still 8th
2017 2nd to 3rd or 4th
2016 2nd to 4th
Where they finished the h & a seasons v where they would have finished imo if their home ground was Docklands or MCG.
3, 12, 1, 3, 1, 8, 2, 2
v
6, 14, 1, 5, 3, 8, 3/4, 4
It is a big difference, especially in terms of home finals.
So they go from "revered for making top 4 consistently" to mainly hovering outside the top 4. And to be fair, their finals performances reflect this perfectly.
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