Geelong- the dark horse?

[Hoffy95]

Which is wrong. Every team plays GWS and GCS once, so there is no benefit there to the Crows. If the Crows did not play GWS a second time, then they would have had to play twice against some other team from the lower half of the table last year instead. Possibly Melbourne, WB or Lions say. Given the way the Crows have been playing this season, they very probably would have still won by a similar margin. So there is no benefit there to the Crows either.

When will these facts finally sink in? Are you really this slow?

No not necessarily. That's not how the draw works.

And saying there's no advantage playing GWS twice. Notsureifserious.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Interesting. It is not only about Geelong, you know, there are actually two teams involved. What would happen, do you think, if Adelaide played with the effort they showed against West Coast? Or even if they played with the same effort as in round 7?

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Wishful thinking is always nice to indulge in I suppose, but it can often lead to a huge disappointment that more realistic thinking may have spared you.

It's funny watching some posters struggle to deal with their side playing well. You have a massive chip on your shoulder, just relax and enjoy it. Don't worry that some people think your side may lose a game.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Oh so we've gone down the personal insult path, hey guys .

Tends to happen a bit when people start losing an argument. Carry on.

 

[TheRoo32]

Oh so we've gone down the personal insult path, hey guys .

Tends to happen a bit when people start losing an argument. Carry on.

Adelaide to this stage GWS x2 + Gold Coast
Geelong to this stage GWS, Melbourne and Gold Coast

Same amount of easy wins yes?

 

[ok.crows]

No not necessarily. That's not how the draw works.

Actually, it is, according to the AFL themselves. These are the people who set the fixture, after all, so they should know.

And saying there's no advantage playing GWS twice. Notsureifserious.

No distinct advantage playing GWS twice compared to any team who could have instead been chosen by the AFL when they set the 2012 fixture for the Crows, according to the AFL's stated process for setting the fixture. Completely serious.

 

[ok.crows]

Oh so we've gone down the personal insult path, hey guys .

Tends to happen a bit when people start losing an argument. Carry on.

No insults were offered ... I did imply that you surely couldn't be as slow on the uptake as your posts appear to indicate you to be.

Are you saying that you are?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

No insults were offered ... I did imply that you surely couldn't be as slow on the uptake as your posts appear to indicate you to be.

Are you saying that you are?

Ask yourself if you really want to continue down this path, and what it will achieve.

 

[Pessimistic]

adelaide so far have played GWS twice and Collingwood once - all wins
Hawks have palyed Collingwood twice and GWS once - all wins

So theres no difference really (Hawks are the closest team below adelaide)

 

[SuperCats9]

Some of us are a little older pal, and I can assure you, I'll never be happy.

Really? my old man went through the tough years, but he is over the moon now that he has seen his side win 3 flags.

 

[MinerBoy]

adelaide so far have played GWS twice and Collingwood once - all wins
Hawks have palyed Collingwood twice and GWS once - all wins

So theres no difference really (Hawks are the closest team below adelaide)

Collingwood beat the Crows over there I believe.

 

[Glenno23]

adelaide so far have played GWS twice and Collingwood once - all wins
Hawks have palyed Collingwood twice and GWS once - all wins

So theres no difference really (Hawks are the closest team below adelaide)

There's no difference except the fact that the Pies beat the Crows.....

 

[Partridge]

Really? my old man went through the tough years, but he is over the moon now that he has seen his side win 3 flags.

To each their own. I don't want to wait anywhere near another 44 years I can tell you that. Richmond supporters would have been the same in 1981 - try telling them they'd be waiting at least another 30 years. They wouldn't have believed you. Carlton fans are coming up on a 20 year drought for the first time in decades. Doesn't take much.

 

[clobba]

Ifs and buts dont count for much these days so its pointless highlighting close losses as the simple fact is you lost those games whether they were close or not which is why you are where you are on the ladder. You can mount an arguement for most sides with regards to close losses. Richmond and Nth Melb are another couple of sides who have had their fair share as well

Gee do you think that "But, then again im a realist & know that being close is no cigar " is exactly what he said?

 

[King Corey]

Good luck to them. Winning mentality and a quality club.

 

[candiehappy]

Really? my old man went through the tough years, but he is over the moon now that he has seen his side win 3 flags.

I went through the tough years as well - and my user name says it all !

 

[kirky]

So finally we are making some headway here.

Geelong haven't been handed 3x percentage boosters in the first 16 rounds, and still have a smaller average losing margin than the Crows.

Regardless of how many losses Geelong have had in their tougher draw they have not been "twice as bad" as the Crows losses.

At this point in time, Adelaide has played GWS (x 2) and Gold Coast - 3 games against bunnies against Geelong who has played GWS, Gold Coast and Melbourne - 3 games against bunnies. Same no of games against bunnies.

Adelaide has beaten both Sydney and Fremantle away from home whilst Geelong has lost both those same games. Adelaide defeated Carlton at Etihad and so did Geelong (which was the more convincing given Carlton were stronger when Adelaide played them) plus Adelaide has beaten Geelong.

Not sure what more Adelaide has to do to earn respect?

 

[ep2018]

Dont understand the Crows arrogance. Port played that years bottom 4 twice each in 2007, two home finals ensured they made the granny (against an injury ravaged WCE and a 'just so happy to have won a final' North) and then they were exposed on the big stage.

Hope that doesnt happen to Adelaide

 

[kirky]

Dont understand the Crows arrogance. Port played that years bottom 4 twice each in 2007, two home finals ensured they made the granny (against an injury ravaged WCE and a 'just so happy to have won a final' North) and then they were exposed on the big stage.

Hope that doesnt happen to Adelaide

Arrogance? I think all Adelaide people are highlighting are the flaws in arguments based at this point in time. Both Cats and Crows have played the three bottom sides a total of three times so far. This all.

 

[ep2018]

Sorry wrong word I meant those who are claiming their draw isnt favorable. Like I said I hope a 2007 repeat doesn't happen for Adelaide.

If they play a Sydney in the GF I'd back Adel to win

 

[Natho]

If they manage to do it I won't be really that surprised. Great teams do great things.

 

[kirky]

Sorry wrong word I meant those who are claiming their draw isnt favorable. Like I said I hope a 2007 repeat doesn't happen for Adelaide.

If they play a Sydney in the GF I'd back Adel to win

Don't have a problem with draw being favorable but you have use it and we have. But in saying that we are 3-3 against sides in the top 8 (yet to play Essendon). Geelong are 2-6 against same sides.

 

[Mantastic]

Don't have a problem with draw being favorable but you have use it and we have. But in saying that we are 3-3 against sides in the top 8 (yet to play Essendon). Geelong are 2-6 against same sides.

Actually we're 2-5 and we've played ALL 7 games away from our home ground. You're 3-3 with 3/6 home games.

 

[kirky]

Actually we're 2-5 and we've played ALL 7 games away from our home ground. You're 3-3 with 3/6 home games.

You are 2-6 having lost to West Coast, Sydney, Collingwood (x2), North Melbourne and Adelaide.

You never play against the strong Victorian side at home. Relevance? Perhaps straw clutching to justify te win-loss record after all this would not have mattered in previous years. Geelong are in a gradual decline but still can be dangerous at times (Essendon game is proof of that)

 

[kirky]

We have't played West Coast.

Sorry, thought you had.

 

[KP78]

Anyone here making a reasonable argument at all?

Just to clear a few points up from reading a bit here:

When discussing losing games, 'twice as bad' is twice as many losses.
When discussing losing margins, 'twice as bad' is having a losing margin twice as much.
Playing an expansion team 3 times doesn't have any direct effect on your average losing margin.
Playing GWS is not the same as playing Melbourne. (if unsure, seek out an Essendon supporter)
Geelong have not played WC.
Adelaide deserve respect and are rightly considered a serious challenge for the premiership. You can only play the team you are draw against.
Geelong look to be on the decline, but gave us a bit of hope last week and now play a top team at our home ground, I for one am excited as hell to see the game!!!